Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)

[computerSaysNo]

Evora 83 is on service 3 - single deckers on double deck services seem to be slightly more common than they were.

There also appears to be an Evora on the 45.

 

[ScotRail158725]

There also appears to be an Evora on the 45.

As well as 652.

 

[Jordan1296]

Registrations have started appearing on BusTimes (they weren't there at the start of the week). Every single service is changing in some form - some route and timetable; some just timetable, except the X37, 47B, N25 and N37 as far as I can see.

 

[Bus9120UK]

Registrations have started appearing on BusTimes (they weren't there at the start of the week). Every single service is changing in some form - some route and timetable; some just timetable, except the X37, 47B, N25 and N37 as far as I can see.

The X37 is part of the 37 registration and likewise 47B on the 47 one. They were on there since Monday morning.

 

[TheEastCoaster]

Registrations have started appearing on BusTimes (they weren't there at the start of the week). Every single service is changing in some form - some route and timetable; some just timetable, except the X37, 47B, N25 and N37 as far as I can see.

I went on BusTimes and I can’t see them! is there a way to see it? The new timetables and services

 

[Bus9120UK]

I went on BusTimes and I can’t see them! is there a way to see it? The new timetables and services

It's not the new timetables, it's just the registration details - the same stuff from the spreadsheet put up on Sunday. It looks nicer and is a lot easier to read through bustimes - https://bustimes.org/licences/PM0000002

 

[eh1]

Just passed 474, which is now minus the gold hook on side and looks like its either been repainted, or polished. Has this been away anywhere?

 

[mb88]

The X18 is listed as ‘via Wester Inch’, surely this just hasn’t been updated since it was initially registered in 2018 rather than a sign that it will be rerouted back through there? Separately, with the introduction of the N18 I wonder if the N28 will be amended to terminate at Deans North as I can’t see them having 2 night services to Bathgate?

 

[Bus9120UK]

Just passed 474, which is now minus the gold hook on side and looks like its either been repainted, or polished. Has this been away anywhere?

Same treatment as 466, alongside 467 & 469. 490 is receiving this treatment as of now - all of this is completed at Seafield. It's at least a partial repaint performed in house with updated adblue and oil master covers added - plus side logo vinyls being reapplied. There are probably other new vinyls being applied across the buses as well.

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

The X18 is listed as ‘via Wester Inch’, surely this just hasn’t been updated since it was initially registered in 2018 rather than a sign that it will be rerouted back through there? Separately, with the introduction of the N18 I wonder if the N28 will be amended to terminate at Deans North as I can’t see them having 2 night services to Bathgate?

Yes there are numerous errors. I can see my previous post regarding N30 was wrong, as that’s an error dating back to 2008. I’m now unsure if the N28 is also going to be weekends only so we’ll have to wait and see. I do agree with you though and I think it would make sense to revert to the original loop route in Livingston.

I shall compile the listings into one set tonight and will post it when it’s complete. It won’t be perfect, but it will at least give us a proper idea as to how it looks.

 

[Bus9120UK]

Yes there are numerous errors. I can see my previous post regarding N30 was wrong, as that’s an error dating back to 2008. I’m now unsure if the N28 is also going to be weekends only so we’ll have to wait and see. I do agree with you though and I think it would make sense to revert to the original loop route in Livingston.

I shall compile the listings into one set tonight and will post it when it’s complete. It won’t be perfect, but it will at least give us a proper idea as to how it looks.

The same goes for the 36 being marked as every 20 minutes - this dates back to 2007.

 

[stevenedin]

It's not the new timetables, it's just the registration details - the same stuff from the spreadsheet put up on Sunday. It looks nicer and is a lot easier to read through bustimes - https://bustimes.org/licences/PM0000002

Is this official or has someone just entered this? I’m asking as they have spelt Hermiston Gait wrong they put Hermiston Gate. It doesn’t seem official.

 

[Bus9120UK]

Is this official or has someone just entered this? I’m asking as they have spelt Hermiston Gait wrong they put Hermiston Gate. It doesn’t seem official.

These are all directly taken from the official spreadsheets uploaded by the Traffic Commissioner every Sunday. These typing errors seem fairly common to be honest.

 

[stevenedin]

These are all directly taken from the official spreadsheets uploaded by the Traffic Commissioner every Sunday. These typing errors seem fairly common to be honest, but that's how Lothian will have directly sent it in.

I actually went through the rest and there are lots of errors everywhere. If that’s what Lothian sent in, it actually makes you wonder who they have working for them. Surely a bus company should be sending everything in correctly. The fact that nobody has picked up that they are wrong is another thing as well

 

[mb88]

I actually went through the rest and there are lots of errors everywhere. If that’s what Lothian sent in, it actually makes you wonder who they have working for them. Surely a bus company should be sending everything in correctly. The fact that nobody has picked up that they are wrong is another thing as well

If you think that’s bad, have a look at McGill’s. They have multiple services going between two places called ‘Origin’ and ‘Destination’. The two best served towns in the country

 

[TheEastCoaster]

It's not the new timetables, it's just the registration details - the same stuff from the spreadsheet put up on Sunday. It looks nicer and is a lot easier to read through bustimes - https://bustimes.org/licences/PM0000002

Aw my mistake, well fingers crossed we get more info coming our way soon.

The X18 is listed as ‘via Wester Inch’, surely this just hasn’t been updated since it was initially registered in 2018 rather than a sign that it will be rerouted back through there? Separately, with the introduction of the N18 I wonder if the N28 will be amended to terminate at Deans North as I can’t see them having 2 night services to Bathgate?

It’s been like that the past few registrations now!

Also I could see it happening but I also don’t see the harm of keeping the N28 in Bathgate, it might be handy for anyone who lives in Livingston who wants to connect to a service for Armadale/Whitburn

 

[Theproinsider]

I actually went through the rest and there are lots of errors everywhere. If that’s what Lothian sent in, it actually makes you wonder who they have working for them. Surely a bus company should be sending everything in correctly. The fact that nobody has picked up that they are wrong is another thing as well

Lothian issue their registration details manually. The typing errors are TC originated.

 

[Stan Drews]

Lothian issue their registration details manually. The typing errors are TC originated.

The out of date registration ‘descriptions’ are also down to the Traffic Area Office systems and staff, and nothing to do with the operators. It’s been like that for as long as I can remember!

 

[Mal]

If you think that’s bad, have a look at McGill’s. They have multiple services going between two places called ‘Origin’ and ‘Destination’. The two best served towns in the country

Have they got any going to 'Circle' though?

 

[eh1]

Same treatment as 466, alongside 467 & 469. 490 is receiving this treatment as of now - all of this is completed at Seafield. It's at least a partial repaint performed in house with updated adblue and oil master covers added - plus side logo vinyls being reapplied. There are probably other new vinyls being applied across the buses as well.

What do you mean by the adblue/oil covers?

It certainly makes a difference, hopefully this means the 66 plate 400s are getting a full respray. A lot of work going on with the fleet currently if you also consider that they are fitting the new INEO/AVL systems too.

 

[Bus9120UK]

What do you mean by the adblue/oil covers?

It certainly makes a difference, hopefully this means the 66 plate 400s are getting a full respray. A lot of work going on with the fleet currently if you also consider that they are fitting the new INEO/AVL systems too.

These are the older ones compared to the new ones:

Both images show adblue flaps/covers from 466, before and after.

Apologies for the low quality, there isn't much reference out there.

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

As promised, attached is the extract I’ve complied together of the changes to the registrations. As normal, treat everything with caution as there will be mistakes with the registrations in there:


Cancelled (withdrawn) services

41


New services

9 - runs between Muirhouse and King’s Buildings via Bellevue, North Bridge and Marchmont. Service runs every day.

46 - runs between Rosewell and Musselburgh Grammar School. No via points supplied but service runs every day.

N18 - runs between Regent Road and Whitburn. No via points supplied but service runs every day. This change is valid from May 29th.


Route, route number and timetable change

N107 - N106 formally renumbered to N107.


Route number and timetable change

200/N200 - N200 added to existing 200 registration.

400/N400 - N400 added to existing 400 registration.


Route, Stopping Places and Timetable (with terminus change)

2 - now Hermiston Gait to The Jewel.

4 - now Queen Margaret to Hillend.

N11 - now Elm Row to Hyvots Bank.


Route and Timetable (with terminus change)

10 - now Bonaly to Ocean Terminal.

11 - now Western Harbour to Hyvots Bank.

19 - now Granton to Eastfield.

22 - now Granton Harbour to Gyle Centre.

30 - now Clovenstone to Queen Margaret.

45 - now Riccarton to Marine/King’s Road/Eastfield.

47/47B - now Cammo to Penicuik (Ladywood).

48 - now Gorebridge to Musselburgh Grammar School.

49 - now Fort Kinnaird to Royal Infirmary.

N14 - now West Granton Road to Nicolson Square.

N22 - now Scott Monument to South Gyle Broadway.

106 - Now Dunbar/Haddington to Musselburgh/Queen Margaret.


Route and Timetable (no terminus change)

5
7
8
12
14
23
24
27

29/X29 - these are under one registration so it could affect one service or both.

34

37/X37 - these are under one registration so it could affect one service or both.

98

N16
N30

X6
N113

N28


Route and Timetable (unknown if there’s a terminus change due to error in registration)

15


Timetable changes only

1
3
16
21
25
26
X26
31
X31
33
X33
35
36
38
44
X44
100

N3
N26

X5
X7
113
124

140 - the 141 has never been mentioned within this registration but was introduced as a service at the last change.

X18
X27
X28
43

That should be everything. Hope people find this useful.

 

[LothianBusesPh]

513 and 1127 are away for repaint, I hope 199 comes back today, I'm unsure if it's been touched yet though, @Bus9120UK usually corrects me, can he do it on the forums?

Edit: Looks like 1127 is in Stirling instead of going to Ferrymill or Bustec, It's probably getting something done, I'm not really familiar with all of the locations buses go to.

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

513 and 1127 are away for repaint, I hope 199 comes back today, I'm unsure if it's been touched yet though, @Bus9120UK usually corrects me, can he do it on the forums?

Edit: Looks like 1127 is in Stirling instead of going to Ferrymill or Bustec, It's probably getting something done, I'm not really familiar with all of the locations buses go to.

It’s coming along now. It seems to have turned around at Greenloaning.

 

[LothianBusesPh]

It’s coming along now. It seems to have turned around at Greenloaning.

It was probably a wrong turn or something.

 

[Darklord8899]

Surely it would've made more sense to put it on a Service 33 and put an Ex-London on it? It would be slightly better than this but I suppose it can't really be helped which time the buses go out.

I'd take an Evora over an ex-London on the 3 any day! [I know I am probably alone with this view, but I find the seat spacing on the majority of the Ex-London stock ridiculously tight]

 

[VioletEclipse]

One thing which I have read various things about but never properly found a definitive explanation for is madder. Is it true that the colour of madder Lothian used in the 20th century is a slightly different shade than the current colour, and what is the actual origin or the word 'madder' to describe it? It's one of those many things which I have always known the fundamentals of, but almost entirely from word of mouth and stories. I haven't properly considered why it is the way it is until now.

 

[ChrisPJ]

Isn’t it called weinrot now ? Old madder did fade quite bad.

 

[CN04NRJ]

182 is now parked at Central as of yesterday.

 

[TheEastCoaster]

As promised, attached is the extract I’ve complied together of the changes to the registrations. As normal, treat everything with caution as there will be mistakes with the registrations in there:


Cancelled (withdrawn) services

41


New services

9 - runs between Muirhouse and King’s Buildings via Bellevue, North Bridge and Marchmont. Service runs every day.

46 - runs between Rosewell and Musselburgh Grammar School. No via points supplied but service runs every day.

N18 - runs between Regent Road and Whitburn. No via points supplied but service runs every day. This change is valid from May 29th.


Revised route, route number and timetable change

N107 - N106 formally renumbered to N107.


Revised route number and timetable change

200/N200 - N200 added to existing 200 registration.

400/N400 - N400 added to existing 400 registration.


Route, Stopping Places and Timetable (with terminus change)

2 - now Hermiston Gait to The Jewel.

4 - now Queen Margaret to Hillend.

N11 - now Elm Row to Hyvots Bank.


Route and Timetable (with terminus change)

10 - now Bonaly to Ocean Terminal.

11 - now Western Harbour to Hyvots Bank.

19 - now Granton to Eastfield.

22 - now Granton Harbour to Gyle Centre.

30 - now Clovenstone to Queen Margaret.

45 - now Riccarton to Marine/King’s Road/Eastfield.

47/47B - now Cammo to Penicuik (Ladywood).

48 - now Gorebridge to Musselburgh Grammar School.

49 - now Fort Kinnaird to Royal Infirmary.

N14 - now West Granton Road to Nicolson Square.

N22 - now Scott Monument to South Gyle Broadway.

106 - Now Dunbar/Haddington to Musselburgh/Queen Margaret.


Route and Timetable (no terminus change)

5
7
8
12
14
23
24
27

29/X29 - these are under one registration so it could affect one service or both.

34

37/X37 - these are under one registration so it could affect one service or both.

98

N16
N30

X6

140 - the 141 has never been mentioned within this registration but was introduced as a service at the last change.

N113

N28


Route and Timetable (unknown if there’s a terminus change due to error in registration)

15


Timetable changes only

1
3
16
21
25
26
X26
31
X31
33
X33
35
36
38
44
X44
100

N3
N26

X5
X7
113
124

X18
X27
X28
43

That should be everything. Hope people find this useful.

Replying to this with the hope the topic will remain on the service changes incoming!

Trying to imagine what the route changes will be to the other services listed above?

140? Auchindinny?