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TheEastCoaster

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If it doesn't attract passengers with that level of coverage then no point in running it at all and leave the Winchburgh & Kirkliston market as McGill's problem.

The ironic part is that those same passengers would likely complain if Lothian were to drop out. Right now, with three different options serving Kirkliston, it’s safe to say the area isn’t underserved. And without trying to sound biased, they actually have a solid offer with the Ridacard. Plus, the two separate day ticket options make it even more accessible for both the city and West Lothian. From what I hear, the 72 does well—at least between Winchburgh and Livingston—while the 71 is essentially just the old 63, so it’s doing fine. The X19 seems to fluctuate; one minute it’s busy, the next it’s empty.

Figured i'd drop my hat in the ring for this, was up all night thinking about it.

Fixing East Lothian (Network Change) "This would be months after the April Change"

X4 - Revised Route and Timetable
Bus runs every 20 minutes during Peak and every 30 minutes on Sundays, now runs via Masons Way in Wallyford

X5 - Revised Timetable
Bus now runs on Sundays, later journeys on all days of the week

X6 - Revised Route and Timetable
Due to backlash, bus is now reverted to running all day, every 30 minutes Monday to Sunday, route in Wallyford revert to pre-april changes, Masons Way now run by X4

X7 - Revised Route
Buses extend to new Dunbar Terminus at Yosetime Park

106 - Revised Timetable
More evening journeys between Musselburgh and Haddington, Sunday frequency enchanced to reflect higher demand during the week.

107 - No Change

113 - No Change

120 - Revised Timetable
Buses now run the late Friday journey on Monday - Thursday.

121 - Revised Timetable
Buses now run hourly Monday - Saturday, Frequency remains on Sunday

123 - Revised Timetable
Enhanced Frequency for passengers in Gifford, East and West Saulton for convient travel into Haddington.

124 - No Change

139 - Revised Route and Timetable
Bus extends from Midlothian Community Hospital to Gore Avenue via Bonnyrigg, Cockspen, Newtongrange, Gorebridge to connect more of Midlothian.

140 - Revised Route and Timetable
Buses now run via Auchindinny, Sunday service extends to Penicuik

141 - No Change

N107 - Revised Route and Timetable
Weekday buses extend to Dunbar, terminus extended to Yosemite Park.

N113 - Revised Route and Timetable
Buses extend from Ormiston to Pencaitland and buses now run hourly on Weekends

N124 - Revised Timetable
Buses now run hourly on Weekends


Fare Changes

Midlothian Towns are now covered by Zone B, Country DAY ticket is valid in Dalkeith, Bonnyrigg, Penicuik, Newtongrange, Gorebridge for cheaper travel into further East Lothian.
 
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they actually have a solid offer with the Ridacard. Plus, the two separate day ticket options make it even more accessible for both the city and West Lothian.

The X19 seems to fluctuate; one minute it’s busy, the next it’s empty.
The fluctuation in passenger loadings on the X19 suggests Lothian Country's product on offer isn't attractive to the travelling public. People are probably just using the first bus that comes along and in these cases there's little point in two operators running on the same route.

When First ran parallel services against Lothian such as the 44, 86 or 129, very few people would allow the Lothian equivalent to go past and continue waiting. However the opposite situation was reasonably common.
 

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The fluctuation in passenger loadings on the X19 suggests Lothian Country's product on offer isn't attractive to the travelling public. People are probably just using the first bus that comes along and in these cases there's little point in two operators running on the same route.
Considering a significant chunk of potential passengers travel free regardless of the operator and the X19 doesn’t offer anything new/different and is generally a little more expensive than the alternative, that isn’t surprising.
 
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From the last time I posted my ideas of services I have made changes based on what I've seen and also with the changes that are happening in 2 weeks, they are always a work in progress so feedback is encouraged.

Service 6: Hanover Street - Holyrood Gait
Via: The Mound, Bristo Square, Surgeons' Hall & Pleasance
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes
Days of Operation: Monday to Saturday
Would replace the current Midland Bluebird Service 60 offering a direct connection to the City Centre as well as continuing the links to Surgeons' Hall & Bristo Square.

Service 20: The Calders - Chesser
The 0955 journey between Calder Drive & Calder Gardens, West End now operates at 0855 with a 0900 journey from Calder Gardens to Chesser, the 1500 and a new 1600 journey also operates between Calder Gardens and Chesser with the final journey operating at 1700 between Calder Gardens and Westside Plaza.

Service 42: Ocean Terminal - Queen Margaret University
Via: Leith, Seafield, Craigentinny, Portobello, Eastfield & Stoneybank
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes
Days of Operation: Monday to Sunday
Reinstates the connection between Portobello & QMU and provides a link between Ocean Terminal & Leith to Portobello & QMU, first and last journeys would start/finish at King's Road, Service would begin later & finish earlier on a Sunday.

Service 72: Fauldhouse or Shotts - Kirkliston
Monday to Saturday daytime frequency increased to every 30 minutes between Kirkliston & Whitburn Cross and would extend hourly to either Fauldhouse or Shotts, earlier and later journeys on all days.

Service 73: Blackridge - Livingston Bus Terminal
Route extended from Bathgate to Blackridge via Armadale, Bathagte to Blackburn section replaced by new Service 75, Monday to Saturday daytime frequency increased to every 30 Minutes with an hourly Sunday service introduced, earlier and later journeys on all days.

Service 74: Fauldhouse, Post Office - Livingston Bus Terminal
Monday to Saturday daytime frequency increased to every 30 minutes, earlier and later journeys on all days.

Service 75: Bathgate, Rail Station - Livingston South Station
Via: Wester Inch, Blackburn, Seafield, Livingston Village, St. John's Hospital, Livingston Centre, Dedridge East & Murieston
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes
Days of Operation: Monday to Saturday, No Late Evening or Sunday Service
Provides a bus service for Livingston Village and replaces Service 73 between Blackburn & Bathgate

Service X20: Ratho, Hallcroft Park - Edinburgh, Regent Road
Via: Ratho Station, Maybury, Corstorphine, Murrayfield & Haymarket
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes (Every 30 Minutes Mon-Fri peak)
Days of Operation: Monday to Sunday
Provides a bus link between Ratho & City Centre

Night Bus N18: Edinburgh - Bathagte
Journeys between Edinburgh and Bathgate additionally serve Ratho.
 

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From the last time I posted my ideas of services I have made changes based on what I've seen and also with the changes that are happening in 2 weeks, they are always a work in progress so feedback is encouraged.

Service 6: Hanover Street - Holyrood Gait
Via: The Mound, Bristo Square, Surgeons' Hall & Pleasance
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes
Days of Operation: Monday to Saturday
Would replace the current Midland Bluebird Service 60 offering a direct connection to the City Centre as well as continuing the links to Surgeons' Hall & Bristo Square.

Service 20: The Calders - Chesser
The 0955 journey between Calder Drive & Calder Gardens, West End now operates at 0855 with a 0900 journey from Calder Gardens to Chesser, the 1500 and a new 1600 journey also operates between Calder Gardens and Chesser with the final journey operating at 1700 between Calder Gardens and Westside Plaza.

Service 42: Ocean Terminal - Queen Margaret University
Via: Leith, Seafield, Craigentinny, Portobello, Eastfield & Stoneybank
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes
Days of Operation: Monday to Sunday
Reinstates the connection between Portobello & QMU and provides a link between Ocean Terminal & Leith to Portobello & QMU, first and last journeys would start/finish at King's Road, Service would begin later & finish earlier on a Sunday.

Service 72: Fauldhouse or Shotts - Kirkliston
Monday to Saturday daytime frequency increased to every 30 minutes between Kirkliston & Whitburn Cross and would extend hourly to either Fauldhouse or Shotts, earlier and later journeys on all days.

Service 73: Blackridge - Livingston Bus Terminal
Route extended from Bathgate to Blackridge via Armadale, Bathagte to Blackburn section replaced by new Service 75, Monday to Saturday daytime frequency increased to every 30 Minutes with an hourly Sunday service introduced, earlier and later journeys on all days.

Service 74: Fauldhouse, Post Office - Livingston Bus Terminal
Monday to Saturday daytime frequency increased to every 30 minutes, earlier and later journeys on all days.

Service 75: Bathgate, Rail Station - Livingston South Station
Via: Wester Inch, Blackburn, Seafield, Livingston Village, St. John's Hospital, Livingston Centre, Dedridge East & Murieston
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes
Days of Operation: Monday to Saturday, No Late Evening or Sunday Service
Provides a bus service for Livingston Village and replaces Service 73 between Blackburn & Bathgate

Service X20: Ratho, Hallcroft Park - Edinburgh, Regent Road
Via: Ratho Station, Maybury, Corstorphine, Murrayfield & Haymarket
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes (Every 30 Minutes Mon-Fri peak)
Days of Operation: Monday to Sunday
Provides a bus link between Ratho & City Centre

Night Bus N18: Edinburgh - Bathagte
Journeys between Edinburgh and Bathgate additionally serve Ratho.
Ratho would be a a hell of a diversion for the N18, what route do you propose?
 
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Ratho would be a a hell of a diversion for the N18, what route do you propose?
My proposal would've been from A8 at Ratho Station via Station Road, Harvest Drive, Harvest Road, Baird Road, Ratho Main Street, Hallcroft Park then using the turning circle then returning via same route back to the A8 taking approximatey 15-18 minutes.
 

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My proposal would've been from A8 at Ratho Station via Station Road, Harvest Drive, Harvest Road, Baird Road, Ratho Main Street, Hallcroft Park then using the turning circle then returning via same route back to the A8 taking approximatey 15-18 minutes.

I don't think that's acceptable detour for the majority of the passengers that want to go between newbridge and Bathgate
 
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I don't think that's acceptable detour for the majority of the passengers that want to go between newbridge and Bathgate
Would be better to send the N28 via ratho.
Perhaps, with the N28 it would only really add 10 minutes to the route so it would work a bit better, when I first thought about it I thought it would've added too much work for the N28 as is serves Kirknewton & Calderwood before East Calder.
 

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Service 72: Fauldhouse or Shotts - Kirkliston
Monday to Saturday daytime frequency increased to every 30 minutes between Kirkliston & Whitburn Cross and would extend hourly to either Fauldhouse or Shotts, earlier and later journeys on all days.
Lothian and its subsidiaries are unlikely to serve outside of the Lothians, unless Lothian Country decide to bid for the council tender.
Service X20: Ratho, Hallcroft Park - Edinburgh, Regent Road
Via: Ratho Station, Maybury, Corstorphine, Murrayfield & Haymarket
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes (Every 30 Minutes Mon-Fri peak)
Days of Operation: Monday to Sunday
Provides a bus link between Ratho & City Centre
The X20 will not happen, the council already tenders the 70 for Ratho services.
 

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Service 6: Hanover Street - Holyrood Gait
Via: The Mound, Bristo Square, Surgeons' Hall & Pleasance
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes
Days of Operation: Monday to Saturday
Would replace the current Midland Bluebird Service 60 offering a direct connection to the City Centre as well as continuing the links to Surgeons' Hall & Bristo Square.
I like this idea, though I think that maybe Hanover Street - Market Street - Royal Mile - Dumbiedykes - Surgeons Hall - Bristo Square would be better, as it’d likely reduce layover times (your proposed route would probably be a 40/60 split between time spent terminating & time actually running on the route, & there isn’t a hell of a lot of space for a bus to terminate now, what with the 100 now stopping on Hanover Street & the 9/23/37 taking up the other stop with a combined 11 buses per hour.

Service 20: The Calders - Chesser
The 0955 journey between Calder Drive & Calder Gardens, West End now operates at 0855 with a 0900 journey from Calder Gardens to Chesser, the 1500 and a new 1600 journey also operates between Calder Gardens and Chesser with the final journey operating at 1700 between Calder Gardens and Westside Plaza.
I do really doubt the council would willingly fund these, & there’s about as much as a snowball’s chance in the depths of hell that Lothian would run them commercially.

Service 42: Ocean Terminal - Queen Margaret University
Via: Leith, Seafield, Craigentinny, Portobello, Eastfield & Stoneybank
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes
Days of Operation: Monday to Sunday
Reinstates the connection between Portobello & QMU and provides a link between Ocean Terminal & Leith to Portobello & QMU, first and last journeys would start/finish at King's Road, Service would begin later & finish earlier on a Sunday.
Yeah, unless the council fund this, I doubt Lothian would want to use resources on this.

Service 72: Fauldhouse or Shotts - Kirkliston
Monday to Saturday daytime frequency increased to every 30 minutes between Kirkliston & Whitburn Cross and would extend hourly to either Fauldhouse or Shotts, earlier and later journeys on all days.
I think that a route should be ran in tandem with the 72 (72A perhaps) between Whitburn West End & East Mains Industrial Estate in Broxburn running every hour Monday-Saturday, combining with the 72 to make a service every 30min between Broxburn & Whitburn, since I don’t think there’s demand for Fauldhouse-Longridge-Whitburn or Kirkliston-Winchburgh-Broxburn corridor to be half-hourly. I do think that (for the sake of providing better layovers) that maybe doing Fauldhouse-Broxburn & Whitburn-Kirkliston would be better, though Whitburn-Broxburn on top of the current service would be fine.

I also really don’t think that Lothian would run into Shotts, as others have stated. Stuarts are already running a good service between Shotts & Whitburn, so I doubt they would either bid for the 23 tender or run the section commercially.

Service 73: Blackridge - Livingston Bus Terminal
Route extended from Bathgate to Blackridge via Armadale, Bathagte to Blackburn section replaced by new Service 75, Monday to Saturday daytime frequency increased to every 30 Minutes with an hourly Sunday service introduced, earlier and later journeys on all days.
I do think this is a good idea, though I would maybe instead have every other journey terminate at the old 25 terminus at Honeyman Court in Armadale, since - alike with the 72 - I don’t think there’s demand for the route to be half-hourly along the whole route.

Service 74: Fauldhouse, Post Office - Livingston Bus Terminal
Monday to Saturday daytime frequency increased to every 30 minutes, earlier and later journeys on all days.
I really don’t think there’s demand for 4 buses per hour between Fauldhouse & Livingston (on top of the train once per hour), though I do think that buses should be timed a bit better, as the intervals between the 72, 74, & Stuarts of Carluke 34A/B are really rather random.

Service 75: Bathgate, Rail Station - Livingston South Station
Via: Wester Inch, Blackburn, Seafield, Livingston Village, St. John's Hospital, Livingston Centre, Dedridge East & Murieston
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes
Days of Operation: Monday to Saturday, No Late Evening or Sunday Service
Provides a bus service for Livingston Village and replaces Service 73 between Blackburn & Bathgate
So basically just the old 21 but with light tweaks around the Bathgate area? Makes sense.

Service X20: Ratho, Hallcroft Park - Edinburgh, Regent Road
Via: Ratho Station, Maybury, Corstorphine, Murrayfield & Haymarket
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes (Every 30 Minutes Mon-Fri peak)
Days of Operation: Monday to Sunday
Provides a bus link between Ratho & City Centre
To be honest, I don’t think that it should run along the A8 bus corridor, since they already have the Citylink 900 every 15min, on top of the X18/X19/McGills X38 every 30min each, so yet another service is probably a bit overkill. If anything, I think it should run as Waterloo Place-Haymarket-Gorgie-Sighthill-Hermiston P&R-Ratho would be better, as it would give Gorgie an express bus back for the first time since the McGills X22 was cut.

Night Bus N18: Edinburgh - Bathagte
Journeys between Edinburgh and Bathgate additionally serve Ratho.
Huge diversion for the N18. I think the N28 would be better, but even then, I don’t see demand.

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Thought I’d share my own West Edinburgh ideas;

32 • Cramond - Cammo - Gyle

Service shortened to Gyle Centre to allow for timetable changes to improve reliability. Service 70 will be extended to Balerno as a replacement. PVR of 1.

70 • Ratho - Heriot-Watt - Balerno
Service extended from Gyle Centre to Balerno via 32 route, providing Balerno & Currie with a Sunday service to the Gyle Centre. Service will be shortened to Ratho, with new service X20 providing faster links to Dalmahoy & Hermiston Park & Ride. PVR to 2.

71 • Queensferry - Newbridge - Gyle
Minor timetable changes, with service no longer interworking with service 70 to improve reliability. PVR to 2

X19 • City Centre - Maybury - Winchburgh
Frequency reduced to every 60min daily. McGills X38 will continue to provide frequent services between Edinburgh & Winchburgh, & this will allow resources to be reallocated to other services. Service rerouted to serve Ingliston Park & Ride. PVR to 3.

X20 • City Centre - Gorgie - Ratho
NEW SERVICE; Building off of Daniel Hogg’s proposal - Service will run every 60min Mon-Sat between Waterloo Place & Halcroft Park via Haymarket Station, Gorgie, & Hermiston Park & Ride. This will provide Ratho with fast links into the heart of Edinburgh in less than 45 minutes. PVR to 2.


Timetables;

32 • Cramond - Cammo - Gyle

Cramond Glebe RoadXX30
Cammo MeadowsXX39
Gyle CentreXX50

Gyle CentreXX00
Cammo MeadowsXX12
Cramond Glebe RoadXX21

70 • Balerno - Heriot-Watt - Ratho
Cockburn CrescentXX35
Curriehill StationXX46
Heriot-Watt UniversityXX50
Hermiston Park & RideXX53
Hermiston GaitXX04
Gyle CentreXX10
Ratho StationXX18
Halcroft ParkXX27

Halcroft ParkXX35
Ratho StationXX44
Gyle CentreXX56
Hermiston GaitXX02
Hermiston Park & RideXX09
Heriot-Watt UniversityXX12
Curriehill StationXX16
Cockpen CrescentXX28

X20 • City Centre - Gorgie - Ratho
St. Andrews HouseXX00
Haymarket StationXX13
TynecastleXX16
Gorgie Park RoadXX20
Hermiston Park & RideXX29
Halcroft ParkXX39

Halcroft ParkXX00
Hermiston Park & RideXX12
Gorgie Park RoadXX22
TynecastleXX26
Haymarket StationXX30
Waterloo PlaceXX42
 
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X20 • City Centre - Gorgie - Ratho
NEW SERVICE; Building off of Daniel Hogg’s proposal - Service will run every 60min Mon-Sat between Waterloo Place & Halcroft Park via Haymarket Station, Gorgie, & Hermiston Park & Ride. This will provide Ratho with fast links into the heart of Edinburgh in less than 45 minutes. PVR to 2.
I like this idea as it would add another bus on that corridor to help ease a tiny bit off the 25, X27 & X28, but I would add a Sunday service too which would make it alot more usable, even if it was every 90 minutes, my wonder though is to which corridor is hit with more delays: the A8 or A71, if the A71 is less delayed than the A8 then this would be a perfect service.
 

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X20 • City Centre - Gorgie - Ratho
NEW SERVICE; Building off of Daniel Hogg’s proposal - Service will run every 60min Mon-Sat between Waterloo Place & Halcroft Park via Haymarket Station, Gorgie, & Hermiston Park & Ride. This will provide Ratho with fast links into the heart of Edinburgh in less than 45 minutes. PVR to 2.
I agree that any Ratho to city centre route should operate via the A71. The A8 corridor is flooded with buses, the A71 corridor less so, yet it's still a busy corridor with plenty of demand. An additional bus an hour wouldn't help overcrowding that much but it would be likely to pick up plenty of passengers.

I had an idea for a Ratho to city centre service that would operate from the EICC to Regent Road via Hallcroft Park, Hermiston, Carrick Knowe and Murrayfield. Carrick Knowe has relatively poor bus coverage and no direct link currently exists between Sighthill and Murrayfield. Likewise, there is no public transport connection to either the EICC or the Long Shore resort. Such a service would take around 50 minutes to travel from Ratho to Regent Road.
 

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I like this idea, though I think that maybe Hanover Street - Market Street - Royal Mile - Dumbiedykes - Surgeons Hall - Bristo Square would be better, as it’d likely reduce layover times (your proposed route would probably be a 40/60 split between time spent terminating & time actually running on the route, & there isn’t a hell of a lot of space for a bus to terminate now, what with the 100 now stopping on Hanover Street & the 9/23/37 taking up the other stop with a combined 11 buses per hour.
Personally i would of either went an terminated in St Andrews Square or went onwards to West End via George Street to avoid congestion, the first option would seem more likely as the old 6 used to run to St Andrews Square for about a few months before it got changed to Hanover Street.
I do really doubt the council would willingly fund these, & there’s about as much as a snowball’s chance in the depths of hell that Lothian would run them commercially.
With how constricted the new 20 is, i doubt they will be willing to improve it on both ends, which is a shame.
Yeah, unless the council fund this, I doubt Lothian would want to use resources on this.
Didn't the council fund the brief 129 route (Ocean Terminal - Musselburgh) via Seafield and Portobello?, again it is a shame but it could maybe happen one day, with how much ocean terminal is expanding and even new shops out at Seafield, they are bound to maybe consider new transport links.
I think that a route should be ran in tandem with the 72 (72A perhaps) between Whitburn West End & East Mains Industrial Estate in Broxburn running every hour Monday-Saturday, combining with the 72 to make a service every 30min between Broxburn & Whitburn, since I don’t think there’s demand for Fauldhouse-Longridge-Whitburn or Kirkliston-Winchburgh-Broxburn corridor to be half-hourly. I do think that (for the sake of providing better layovers) that maybe doing Fauldhouse-Broxburn & Whitburn-Kirkliston would be better, though Whitburn-Broxburn on top of the current service would be fine.
I think that is the biggest downfall, the service is too long on it's own and is prone to unreliability, i get back then Lothian probably didn't have the resources to split the route in half, but i'm sure now they could, they seriously need to improve the West Lothian network somepoint this year, no proper changes to the 72,73 and 74 routes are all jokes.
I also really don’t think that Lothian would run into Shotts, as others have stated. Stuarts are already running a good service between Shotts & Whitburn, so I doubt they would either bid for the 23 tender or run the section commercially.
I never understand the suggestions that take Lothian out of.. well Lothian :lol: especully when other operators are doing that job well enough, just keep them on the edge with Whitburn and Fauldhouse and it should be fine!
To be honest, I don’t think that it should run along the A8 bus corridor, since they already have the Citylink 900 every 15min, on top of the X18/X19/McGills X38 every 30min each, so yet another service is probably a bit overkill. If anything, I think it should run as Waterloo Place-Haymarket-Gorgie-Sighthill-Hermiston P&R-Ratho would be better, as it would give Gorgie an express bus back for the first time since the McGills X22 was cut.
I agree with this, it offers an alternative to the X27/X28 and it goes via Dalry and Gorgie, it could work actually.
Huge diversion for the N18. I think the N28 would be better, but even then, I don’t see demand.
How busy is the 70 anyway? if it was well used between Ratho and Hermiston i could maybe see them doing a re-route, although i would expect them to add more bus stops near Dalmahoy to avoid missing passangers.
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Thought I’d share my own West Edinburgh ideas;

32 • Cramond - Cammo - Gyle

Service shortened to Gyle Centre to allow for timetable changes to improve reliability. Service 70 will be extended to Balerno as a replacement. PVR of 1.
That would be the shortest route imaginable :lol: definitly would be more reliabile as the 32 is all over the place, maybe an extension to Hermistion Gait in the future?
70 • Ratho - Heriot-Watt - Balerno
Service extended from Gyle Centre to Balerno via 32 route, providing Balerno & Currie with a Sunday service to the Gyle Centre. Service will be shortened to Ratho, with new service X20 providing faster links to Dalmahoy & Hermiston Park & Ride. PVR to 2.
This could work, it would be almost akin to the old 63, i assume the evening journeys would be cut to The Gyle? also would the CityWest zone be creeping into Sighthill now? ;)
71 • Queensferry - Newbridge - Gyle
Minor timetable changes, with service no longer interworking with service 70 to improve reliability. PVR to 2
In my head, this minor timetable change helps connectivity in Kirkliston for the 72.
X19 • City Centre - Maybury - Winchburgh
Frequency reduced to every 60min daily. McGills X38 will continue to provide frequent services between Edinburgh & Winchburgh, & this will allow resources to be reallocated to other services. Service rerouted to serve Ingliston Park & Ride. PVR to 3.
I'm divided on this, is the X19 becomes decreased now, it might not encourage folk to use it, but i do agree that other services need improvements.
X20 • City Centre - Gorgie - Ratho
NEW SERVICE; Building off of Daniel Hogg’s proposal - Service will run every 60min Mon-Sat between Waterloo Place & Halcroft Park via Haymarket Station, Gorgie, & Hermiston Park & Ride. This will provide Ratho with fast links into the heart of Edinburgh in less than 45 minutes. PVR to 2.
I'm all for this!
 

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Realistically the x19 needs to be better than mcgills x38 ot it isnt much of a bus war.
 

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Realistically the x19 needs to be better than mcgills x38 ot it isnt much of a bus war.

The only way they would improve it is if one of the following happens
  • More passengers use the X19
  • McGills reduces the X38 to hourly (which might force more passangers onto the X19 anyway)
  • Mcgills withdraw out of Kirkliston and Winchburgh and run via the M9 to Linlithgow (not likely)
  • Lothian go crazy with their priorities (again)
As it stands, from what i see the X19 is really just the case of what bus comes first for the residents, sometimes i can see it busy othertimes its quiet, which makes me believe that if McGills was to reduce the X38 frequency, it could benefit the X19 heavily, but i don't see that happening as it would screw over folk in Linlithgow and Falkirk.

in a hyperthetical scenario (the X38 is reduced to hourly) this is what i would propose for the next service change, a few original ideas plus some suggestions from fellow members which i quite liked.

X18 - Edinburgh - Broxburn - Bathgate - Whitburn - Fauldhouse
Service serves Fauldhouse at peak times to provide passengers easier travel to/from Edinburgh Monday - Friday.

X19 - Edinburgh - Kirkliston - Winchburgh - M9 - Linlithgow
Service now extended to Linlithgow via M9 and Springfield, frequency remains every 30 minutes, later journeys introduced from both ends

X20 - Edinburgh - Gorgie - Sighthill - Hermiston - Ratho
NEW Express service as suggested above running Monday - Sunday

X27 - Edinburgh - Sighthill - Calderwood - Livingston - Bathgate
Frequency increased to every 30 minutes combined with X28 for a 15 minute frequency

X28 - Edinburgh - Sighthill - Kirknewton - Livingston - Bathgate
Frequency increased to every 30 minutes combined with X27 for a 15 minute frequency, now also serves Deans South replacing service 73.

X40 - Royal Infirmary - Gilmerton - Wester Hailes - Calderwood - St Johns
Frequency increased to every 60 minutes on Saturday and Sunday, later journey introduced on Weekdays in both directions

70 - Ratho - Gyle - Heriott Watt - Balerno
Service extended to serve Balerno via former 32 route, section between Ratho and Hermiston P&R is now served by X20 as suggested above, CityWest zone is now extended to Sighthill

71 - Queensferry - Kirkliston - Gyle
Revised timetable, service now runs later into the evening and improved timings in Kirkliston for connections between Queensferry and West Lothian

72 - Kirkliston - Winchburgh - Broxburn - Livingston
Revised route and timetable, service now runs every 30 minutes at peak times and is shortened to serve Livingston (Pre December 2023 route), connections between service 71 in Kirkliston is garunteed, for section between Livingston and Fauldhouse see new service 75

73 - Balerno - Kirknewton - Livingston - Blackburn - Bathgate - Armadale - Blackridge
Revised route and timetable, Buses now extended to Balerno via Kirknewton and A70 in the east, Buses now serve Livingston Village and run direct via Seafield, Blackburn, Wester Inch, Bathgate, Armadale and Blackridge, buses run hourly Monday to Sunday, service no longer connects with Service 74,

74 - Livingston - West Calder - Loganlea - Fauldhouse
Revised timetable, runs every 30 minutes Monday - Saturday with hourly sunday service, later journeys introduced and interconnects with 75 in both Livingston and Fauldhouse.

75 - Fauldhouse - Whitburn - Blackburn - Livingston
NEW Service, replaces 72 section in the west, runs every 30 minutes Monday - Saturday, with hourly sunday service. later journeys introduced, and interconnects with 74 in both Livingston and Fauldhouse.

N28 - Edinburgh - Sighthill - Ratho - Livingston - Bathgate
Revised route, buses now divert via Ratho via Dalmahoy and Bonnington for night connections, new bus stops on Dalmahoy Road added to assure customers can still board on Dalmahoy Hotel
 

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Really can’t understand this obsession with having buses running from Balerno to Livingston via Kirknewton along lengthy stretches of sparsely populated territory. As has been mentioned many times already, a council tendered service covered this route and the passenger numbers were woefully low. No chance of any operator ever starting a commercial service.
 

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Really can’t understand this obsession with having buses running from Balerno to Livingston via Kirknewton along lengthy stretches of sparsely populated territory. As has been mentioned many times already, a council tendered service covered this route and the passenger numbers were woefully low. No chance of any operator ever starting a commercial service.
I agree. Something that is long dead.
 

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Really can’t understand this obsession with having buses running from Balerno to Livingston via Kirknewton along lengthy stretches of sparsely populated territory. As has been mentioned many times already, a council tendered service covered this route and the passenger numbers were woefully low. No chance of any operator ever starting a commercial service.

I mean this forum is all about speculation and imagination, can't say we all agree but there is always a market for something.

The section between Balerno and Kirknewton is pretty dead, make no mistakes about that, but years ago when the service ran, it was pretty dead, you could argue that for any other service except the 44 in Balerno, but imagine being an elderly OAP needing to get to the hospital and your local one is St Johns, it would save having to get two buses, an hourly unreliable 32 and timing it with an X27/X28 in sighthill
 

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imagine being an elderly OAP needing to get to the hospital and your local one is St Johns, it would save having to get two buses, an hourly unreliable 32 and timing it with an X27/X28 in sighthill
In cases like this they’d probably just pay for a taxi or organise relatives or friends to take them. Not everywhere has to have a bus to everywhere, it’s simply not possible.

Running a bus service costs a lot of money, yes this is a speculative thread but some realistic-ness still has to be applied.
 

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Personally i would of either went an terminated in St Andrews Square or went onwards to West End via George Street to avoid congestion, the first option would seem more likely as the old 6 used to run to St Andrews Square for about a few months before it got changed to Hanover Street.
This makes the most sense to me.

I think that is the biggest downfall, the service is too long on it's own and is prone to unreliability, i get back then Lothian probably didn't have the resources to split the route in half, but i'm sure now they could, they seriously need to improve the West Lothian network somepoint this year, no proper changes to the 72,73 and 74 routes are all jokes.
They could maybe even reroute the 72 to Livingston South, that’d be a cool idea.

How busy is the 70 anyway? if it was well used between Ratho and Hermiston i could maybe see them doing a re-route, although i would expect them to add more bus stops near Dalmahoy to avoid missing passangers.
The Hermiston-Ratho corridor tends to average out at about 3 people tops in my experience.

That would be the shortest route imaginable :lol: definitly would be more reliabile as the 32 is all over the place, maybe an extension to Hermistion Gait in the future?
Depends how long it’d take for the 32 to get from Cramond to The Gyle after the reroute.

This could work, it would be almost akin to the old 63, i assume the evening journeys would be cut to The Gyle? also would the CityWest zone be creeping into Sighthill now? ;)
S’pose with the whole situation with the City/Citywest fare thing fron last year, it wouldn’t matter.

In my head, this minor timetable change helps connectivity in Kirkliston for the 72.
I didn’t think that far, but yeah, that is a very fair point.

X18 - Edinburgh - Broxburn - Bathgate - Whitburn - Fauldhouse
Service serves Fauldhouse at peak times to provide passengers easier travel to/from Edinburgh Monday - Friday.
I think most people commuting from Fauldhouse to Edinburgh will inevitably just get the train, even if there was a direct bus it’d take twice as long for not a lot cheaper.

X19 - Edinburgh - Kirkliston - Winchburgh - M9 - Linlithgow
Service now extended to Linlithgow via M9 and Springfield, frequency remains every 30 minutes, later journeys introduced from both ends
I don’t get the wholw argument about extending it to Linlithgow, they’d be better off extending it to Bo’Ness.

X27 - Edinburgh - Sighthill - Calderwood - Livingston - Bathgate
Frequency increased to every 30 minutes combined with X28 for a 15 minute frequency
I think if it goes up to every 30min, they should reroute it to Whitburn like the old route, or even Fauldhouse via the 72 route.

X40 - Royal Infirmary - Gilmerton - Wester Hailes - Calderwood - St Johns
Frequency increased to every 60 minutes on Saturday and Sunday, later journey introduced on Weekdays in both directions
I don’t think there’s demand for it to be hourly on Sundays. Would love for it to be hourly on Saturdays though.

71 - Queensferry - Kirkliston - Gyle
Revised timetable, service now runs later into the evening and improved timings in Kirkliston for connections between Queensferry and West Lothian
Good, the 71/72 connection currently is atrocious.

72 - Kirkliston - Winchburgh - Broxburn - Livingston
Revised route and timetable, service now runs every 30 minutes at peak times and is shortened to serve Livingston (Pre December 2023 route), connections between service 71 in Kirkliston is garunteed, for section between Livingston and Fauldhouse see new service 75
The 902 already does the Broxburn-Fastlink-Livingston route, I’d do it via the current route to Livingston since that provides good layovers & avoids duplicate running.

73 - Balerno - Kirknewton - Livingston - Blackburn - Bathgate - Armadale - Blackridge
Revised route and timetable, Buses now extended to Balerno via Kirknewton and A70 in the east, Buses now serve Livingston Village and run direct via Seafield, Blackburn, Wester Inch, Bathgate, Armadale and Blackridge, buses run hourly Monday to Sunday, service no longer connects with Service 74,
Is it not a bit hypocritical to both talk about bus routes being too long then propose this (a route that’d potentially even take over 2 hours) in the same post?

74 - Livingston - West Calder - Loganlea - Fauldhouse
Revised timetable, runs every 30 minutes Monday - Saturday with hourly sunday service, later journeys introduced and interconnects with 75 in both Livingston and Fauldhouse.
I really don’t see why everyone thinks the 74 should be every 30min, it’s doing perfectly fine as is at every hour.

75 - Fauldhouse - Whitburn - Blackburn - Livingston
NEW Service, replaces 72 section in the west, runs every 30 minutes Monday - Saturday, with hourly sunday service. later journeys introduced, and interconnects with 74 in both Livingston and Fauldhouse.
I think they should just run the X27 to Whitburn. What you could then do is run the 75 as a Fauldhouse-Blackburn-Bathgate link, replacing the 73 on the Blackburn-Bathgate stretch (what with your 73 proposal implying that it’s completely unserved).
 
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With the announcement of the trial of Service 800 (Pathhead - Penicuik) Service, I have created a full time service that could happen if the trial was a success.

Link to the trial service:
www.midlothian.gov.uk/communitybus

Full time service proposal
Service 142: Pathhead - Penicuik Town Centre (EastCoastBuses)
Via: Gorebridge, Newtongrange, Newbattle, Dalkeith, Eskbank Tesco, MCH, Bonnyrigg, Lasswade, Straiton Retail Park, Bliston & Auchendinny
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes
Days of Operation: Monday to Saturday (Mon-Fri: 0730-1730, Sat: 0830-1730)
Financially Supported by Midlothian Council
 

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With the announcement of the trial of Service 800 (Pathhead - Penicuik) Service, I have created a full time service that could happen if the trial was a success.

Link to the trial service:
www.midlothian.gov.uk/communitybus

Full time service proposal
Service 142: Pathhead - Penicuik Town Centre (EastCoastBuses)
Via: Gorebridge, Newtongrange, Newbattle, Dalkeith, Eskbank Tesco, MCH, Bonnyrigg, Lasswade, Straiton Retail Park, Bliston & Auchendinny
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes
Days of Operation: Monday to Saturday (Mon-Fri: 0730-1730, Sat: 0830-1730)
Financially Supported by Midlothian Council

The one thing that gets me is where does the bus get to turn at Pathhead? from the looks of it, there is no turning circle nearby for buses to run off service for a return journey? i do think in concept it is a nice idea for them to connect parts of Midlothian that are forgotten, but if it pays off is another thing.

The Hermiston-Ratho corridor tends to average out at about 3 people tops in my experience.
That's understandly disapointing.
Depends how long it’d take for the 32 to get from Cramond to The Gyle after the reroute.
According to the timetable it's meant to take 14 minutes from Cramond to the Gyle, realisticly with traffic thats close to half an hour, honestly as more reliable as that would be, would seem like a waste of resources for something so short, be better extending it to Hermiston or something.
S’pose with the whole situation with the City/Citywest fare thing fron last year, it wouldn’t matter.
True, but it would save it from being CityWest - City - CityWest, overlaping the zones and making it overly confusing, plus you could draw in some more passangers by making Sightill CityWest (or Zone B come April) and have cheaper ticket options for West Lothian, or even for places like Balerno and Currie so they can travel cheaper, even if they didn't have a direct service.
I think most people commuting from Fauldhouse to Edinburgh will inevitably just get the train, even if there was a direct bus it’d take twice as long for not a lot cheaper.
The basis was to see if it was viable in the long run and also have a connection with Bathgate and Armadale.
I don’t get the wholw argument about extending it to Linlithgow, they’d be better off extending it to Bo’Ness.
If only Bo'Ness was in West Lothian though.
I think if it goes up to every 30min, they should reroute it to Whitburn like the old route, or even Fauldhouse via the 72 route.
I did it so that at least one of the X buses serve each Deans, the only other way around is having the X27 go to Whitburn and have the X28 alternate between Deans North and South hourly.

Suppose if it went that extra step to Fauldhouse even, then the 75 might not be that nessecary, or even tweaked.. i'm sure i could think of something else :lol:
I don’t think there’s demand for it to be hourly on Sundays. Would love for it to be hourly on Saturdays though.
Well maybe if it was hourly on a Saturday, it could go hourly on a sunday, but who knows.
Good, the 71/72 connection currently is atrocious.
I agree, they had an oppertunity to do this last year and they shot themselves in the foot.
The 902 already does the Broxburn-Fastlink-Livingston route, I’d do it via the current route to Livingston since that provides good layovers & avoids duplicate running.
To be fair, i should of worded it better, when i meant pre december 2023, i meant having it terminate in Livingston, as for the route itself via Pumpherston and Uphall, it should remain as it's the only bus link Lothian serve.
Is it not a bit hypocritical to both talk about bus routes being too long then propose this (a route that’d potentially even take over 2 hours) in the same post?
I see your point, to be fair i was going to originally suggest this as a split service, Livingston - Blackridge, Livingston - Balerno but felt i would of suggested far too many services by doing this, or at least have it mainly be the first option and have Balerno runs be at peaks or weekends.
I really don’t see why everyone thinks the 74 should be every 30min, it’s doing perfectly fine as is at every hour.
I only did that so it would connect with my 75 idea which is also every 30 minutes, so it would just be easier having a loop, but if it works hourly then i guess the 75 could too.
I think they should just run the X27 to Whitburn. What you could then do is run the 75 as a Fauldhouse-Blackburn-Bathgate link, replacing the 73 on the Blackburn-Bathgate stretch (what with your 73 proposal implying that it’s completely unserved).
 

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The one thing that gets me is where does the bus get to turn at Pathhead? from the looks of it, there is no turning circle nearby for buses to run off service for a return journey? i do think in concept it is a nice idea for them to connect parts of Midlothian that are forgotten, but if it pays off is another thing.


That's understandly disapointing.

According to the timetable it's meant to take 14 minutes from Cramond to the Gyle, realisticly with traffic thats close to half an hour, honestly as more reliable as that would be, would seem like a waste of resources for something so short, be better extending it to Hermiston or something.

True, but it would save it from being CityWest - City - CityWest, overlaping the zones and making it overly confusing, plus you could draw in some more passangers by making Sightill CityWest (or Zone B come April) and have cheaper ticket options for West Lothian, or even for places like Balerno and Currie so they can travel cheaper, even if they didn't have a direct service.

The basis was to see if it was viable in the long run and also have a connection with Bathgate and Armadale.

If only Bo'Ness was in West Lothian though.

I did it so that at least one of the X buses serve each Deans, the only other way around is having the X27 go to Whitburn and have the X28 alternate between Deans North and South hourly.

Suppose if it went that extra step to Fauldhouse even, then the 75 might not be that nessecary, or even tweaked.. i'm sure i could think of something else :lol:

Well maybe if it was hourly on a Saturday, it could go hourly on a sunday, but who knows.

I agree, they had an oppertunity to do this last year and they shot themselves in the foot.

To be fair, i should of worded it better, when i meant pre december 2023, i meant having it terminate in Livingston, as for the route itself via Pumpherston and Uphall, it should remain as it's the only bus link Lothian serve.

I see your point, to be fair i was going to originally suggest this as a split service, Livingston - Blackridge, Livingston - Balerno but felt i would of suggested far too many services by doing this, or at least have it mainly be the first option and have Balerno runs be at peaks or weekends.

I only did that so it would connect with my 75 idea which is also every 30 minutes, so it would just be easier having a loop, but if it works hourly then i guess the 75 could too.
There is a lay by around half a mile or so south of Pathhead on the A68 where a bus can turn around. Eastern Scottish used to use self same lay by 40 years ago.
 

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I've been wondering what Lothian should do to rectify the mess they've made around Tranent. I don't think Macmerry and Gladsmuir necessarily need more than an hourly off peak service to the city for example. Maybe they should have just simply switched the X6 and 113 around and just had the 113 run every hour off peak to Haddington even with the X6 running to Pencaitland but the X4 really does seem totally pointless as the running times are similar to the 113 and may not even be much quicker than the 124.

I can understand why lothian axed the Tranent 26 but the rest if the changes are bizarre. A lot of Tranent passengers may also end up on the X5 which should be increased to every 30 mins between Blindwells and the city Mon-Sat IMO and maybe warrants an hourly Sunday service too.
 

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A little side project I’ve been working on is an Open Top tourist route designed to offer a bespoke product to the growing tourist attractions in East Lothian. The idea stolen from Stagecoach’s 599 in the Central Lake District. Coupled with the Tranent issues I felt this was an opportunity to explore it further.

Western End terminus would be Newhailes House with Eastern end termini at Haddington and Dunbar. A half hourly service would be offered in the ‘core section’ with hourly diversions at the east end of each route. The current Service 124 would be withdrawn and the number recycled for this new idea.

Running as Services 124 and 125, the route would start at Newhailes House, serving North High Street and the Ship Inn and High Street in Musselburgh, before running via Linkfield Road to Levenhall. The route then follows the coast road all the way to North Berwick, serving Church Road and the Seabird Centre. The route carries on to North Berwick Law and Tantallon Castle before eventually arriving in East Linton. It’s here that the 124 and 125 split to their hourly sections. The 124 runs via The Museum of Flight, Athelstaneford before terminating in Haddington. The 125 carries on from East Linton to Dunbar High Street via East Links and Belhaven. At quieter times, particularly at the fringes of each day, neither service would operate like this and standard double deckers would run as a 124 between North Berwick and Musselburgh using buses for peak extras on the rest of the network. The open toppers would run during the daytime.

To compensate for the above and to help fix the other issues. The following would be implemented:

Service X4 would be changed to run directly from Tranent to Wallyford. The peak journeys to/from Castle Road would instead start/end at Elphinstone with the confusing one way loop in Tranent removed.

Service X5 would be revised to run via Prestonpans and Wallyford (Futures Way) and increased to half hourly with Double Decks.

Service X7 would be revised to serve Newhouse Avenue, Lochend Road, Kellie Road and Yosemite Park to replace withdrawn Service 120 and partly replace an unreplaced section of Service 130.

Service 106 would be increased to half hourly but from Tranent would divert to serve Blindwells and Prestonpans, then run as per the 124’s current route to Edinburgh, terminating at Haymarket instead of Semple Street. Fort Kinnaird links would be maintained by Prentice’s 108. Double Decks would therefore be required.

Service 113 would be unchanged, but between Wallyford and Edinburgh the 106 and 113 would be combined to offer an every 15 minutes service.

Service 120 would be surplus and therefore withdrawn.

Services’ 121 and 122 could be merged to offer a fast service connecting North Berwick and Haddington, likely running 2 hourly. The need for two services doing this would be redundant.

Service 123 would be untouched in terms of route. Long loops would be adjusted to offer a timely connection with Service 124 for connections to/from Glenkinchie.

School Service 125 would be withdrawn and replaced by an extended and increased 126.

School Service 126 would be rerouted to serve Dirleton and additionally extend to Blindwells via the former 125 route. The total number of journeys would increase to 2 in each direction on all days.

School Service 128 would be revised to start from Seton East in the mornings.

No changes would be proposed to other routes.


I have attached a rather dreadful route map that I drew of my 124 and 125 proposal. For the benefit of those with Text to speech, the colour of the route I have used is blue, following the same route as above. An orange 123 connection to Glenkinchie is also included.
 

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New Service Proposal
Main Focus: Service 22 and Lothian Country services in Ratho & West Lothian.

Service 22/22A: Gyle Centre - Granton Harbour
Service 22: Mon-Fri daytime frequency reduced to every 30 minutes. No change to Sat-Sun service.
Service 22A: Mon-Fri daytime service introduced between Gyle Centre & Granton Harbour via South Gyle Crescent operating every 30 minutes coordinating with Service 22 to provide a 15 minute frequency. The early morning journeys between Lothian Road & Gyle Centre will continue to operate.

Service 70: Hermiston Park & Ride - Edinburgh Park Station
Service71: Queensferry - Edinburgh Park Station

Services 70 & 71 extended from Gyle Centre to Edinburgh Park Station, Service 70 early morning & late evening journeys continue to terminate at Gyle Centre.

Service 72: Livingston Bus Terminal - Kirkliston, Kirklands Park Street
Revised Route: Route now operates between Livingston & Kirkliston only.
Revised Timetable: Mon-Sat daytime frequency increased to every 30 minutes with earlier and later journeys added on all days.

Service 73: Blackridge - Livingston Bus Terminal
Revised Route: extended from Bathgate to Blackridge via Bathville & Armadale, Wester Inch & Blackburn no longer served by Service 73.
Revised Timetable: Mon-Sat frequency remians hourly with new Sunday service introduced with earlier and later journeys added on all days.

Service 74: Fauldhouse, Post Office - Livingston Bus Terminal Via West Calder
Revised Timetable: Mon-Sat daytime frequency increased to every 30 minutes with earlier and later journeys added on all days. Service 74 will continue to interwork with Service 73 with every second journey waiting at Livingston before returning to Fauldhouse.

Service 75: Fauldhouse, Post Office - Livingston Bus Terminal Via Blackburn
Renumbered 72 route between Fauldhouse & Livingston, revised route to serve St. John's Hospital operating Hourly Monday to Sunday with earlier journeys added.
Service 75 will not interwork with Service 72.

Service 76: Bathgate, Rail Station - Livingston South Station
Via: Wester Inch, Blackburn, Livingston Village, St. John's Hospital, Howden, Livingston Centre, Dedridge East & Murieston.
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes
Days of Operation: Monday to Saturday
Provides Livingston Village with a bus service, Replaces Service 73 between Bathgate & Blackburn, From Dedridge East route will operate a one way loop via Murieston Road, Bellsquarry South Road & Alderstone Road to Livingston South Station.

Service X20: Ratho, Hallcroft Park - Edinburgh, Regent Road
Based off previous proposals on this thread.
Route operates via Dalmahoy, Hermiston P&R, Sighthill, Gorgie, Dalry & Haymarket
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes (Additional journeys Mon-Fri peak)
Days of Operation: Monday to Sunday
Limited Stop: All stops from Hallcroft Park to Staughton Mains then only at Chesser House, Gorgie Park Road, Stewart Terrace, Dalry Primary School & Haymarket Station then all X18/X19 stops to Regent Road.
 

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Service 22/22A: Gyle Centre - Granton Harbour
Service 22: Mon-Fri daytime frequency reduced to every 30 minutes. No change to Sat-Sun service.
Service 22A: Mon-Fri daytime service introduced between Gyle Centre & Granton Harbour via South Gyle Crescent operating every 30 minutes coordinating with Service 22 to provide a 15 minute frequency. The early morning journeys between Lothian Road & Gyle Centre will continue to operate.
The main problem I see is that the 22 barely even has enough demand to be every 20min, so every 15min is a far stretch. There’s annoyingly not really any easy way to implement a day 22A service without either making the timetables really weird or running buses too frequently (unless they ran both hourly every day with some extra journeys at peak times, but let’s be real, that’s probably a lot more effort than really necessary).

Service 70: Hermiston Park & Ride - Edinburgh Park Station
Service71: Queensferry - Edinburgh Park Station

Services 70 & 71 extended from Gyle Centre to Edinburgh Park Station, Service 70 early morning & late evening journeys continue to terminate at Gyle Centre.
That would make the 70/71 even less reliable than they are now, the 70’s pretty reliable though the 71 is far from.

Service 72: Livingston Bus Terminal - Kirkliston, Kirklands Park Street
Revised Route: Route now operates between Livingston & Kirkliston only.
Revised Timetable: Mon-Sat daytime frequency increased to every 30 minutes with earlier and later journeys added on all days.
Fair, though I think it should maybe be half hourly to Winchburgh Campus at the furthest.

Service 73: Blackridge - Livingston Bus Terminal
Revised Route: extended from Bathgate to Blackridge via Bathville & Armadale, Wester Inch & Blackburn no longer served by Service 73.
Revised Timetable: Mon-Sat frequency remians hourly with new Sunday service introduced with earlier and later journeys added on all days.

Service 74: Fauldhouse, Post Office - Livingston Bus Terminal Via West Calder
Revised Timetable: Mon-Sat daytime frequency increased to every 30 minutes with earlier and later journeys added on all days. Service 74 will continue to interwork with Service 73 with every second journey waiting at Livingston before returning to Fauldhouse.
I think it should be the other way around, the 73 is much busier than the 74 in my many experiences on them, so I’d say the 74 can run via the current Sunday timetable on all days of the week (with several tweaks of course) then have the 73 do it’s own thing at a half-hourly frequency.

Service 75: Fauldhouse, Post Office - Livingston Bus Terminal Via Blackburn
Renumbered 72 route between Fauldhouse & Livingston, revised route to serve St. John's Hospital operating Hourly Monday to Sunday with earlier journeys added.
Service 75 will not interwork with Service 72.
I think the X27 would be a better replacement.

Service 76: Bathgate, Rail Station - Livingston South Station
Via: Wester Inch, Blackburn, Livingston Village, St. John's Hospital, Howden, Livingston Centre, Dedridge East & Murieston.
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes
Days of Operation: Monday to Saturday
Provides Livingston Village with a bus service, Replaces Service 73 between Bathgate & Blackburn, From Dedridge East route will operate a one way loop via Murieston Road, Bellsquarry South Road & Alderstone Road to Livingston South Station.
Not a bad idea, basically just a shorter 21.

Service X20: Ratho, Hallcroft Park - Edinburgh, Regent Road
Based off previous proposals on this thread.
Route operates via Dalmahoy, Hermiston P&R, Sighthill, Gorgie, Dalry & Haymarket
Frequency: Every 60 Minutes (Additional journeys Mon-Fri peak)
Days of Operation: Monday to Sunday
Limited Stop: All stops from Hallcroft Park to Staughton Mains then only at Chesser House, Gorgie Park Road, Stewart Terrace, Dalry Primary School & Haymarket Station then all X18/X19 stops to Regent Road.
I’d maybe have it stop at Gorgie City Farm instead of Dalry Primary School & Stewart Terrace.

Thought I’d share more proposals I came up with;

Lothian;
2: extended to Gyle Centre Mon-Sat via Lochside Crescent to aid capacity on service 22 between the Gyle & Balgreen.
5: Service extended to Torphin via Redford & Colinton to reflect customer demand.
9: Service rerouted to Ocean Terminal via Bonnington Road & North Junction Street.
10: Service rerouted via Leith Walk & Great Junction Street to aid capacity on Leith Walk.
15: Service extended to Penicuik Town Centre via Auchendinny.
16: Service curtailed to Oxgangs Library. Service 5 will continue to serve Redford, Colinton, & Torphin.
25: Frequency increased to every 10min Mon-Sat. Most journeys will terminate at Waterloo Place, with buses running to Restalrig every 30min daily & every 40min in the evenings.
30: Frequency reduced to every 15min Mon-Sat & every 20min on Sundays. All off-peak & weekend journeys curtailed to Fort Kinnaird West, with peak journeys running along the A1 to Queen Margaret University.
32: Service curtailed from Balerno to Gyle Centre to improve reliability. Service 70 will continue to provide links between The Gyle & Balerno.
33: Service rerouted from Saughton Mains via Longstone Depot, Hailesland Road, Westside Plaza, & Baberton to Clovenstone Gardens.
34; Weekday journeys will now run via weekend route via Riccarton Mains Road & The Avenue.
35; weekday journeys will run via weekend route off peak. Morning peak journeys to Heriot-Watt & evening peak journeys to Ocean Terminal will run via Riccarton Research Park will run as service 35A.
38: Service curtailed to Western General Hospital due to relatively low passenger usage on Crewe Road North. Service 22 will continue to serve Crewe Road North & Waterfront Broadway.
47B: Service renumbered to service 47A to stay in line with 22A & 35A.
X31: New hourly Mon-Sat daytime service introduced to provide Rosewell with a bus service into Edinburgh.

LothianCountry;
X19:
Service reduced to every 60min daily off-peak due to low customer usage. Buses will interwork with new service X20 at Waterloo Place. I know reducing service levels isn’t great for competition, but I think Lothian should prioritise improving other areas in West Lothian.
X20: New service between Halcroft Park & Waterloo Place via Hermiston P&R & Gorgie every 60min daily. Service will interwork with service X19 at Waterloo Place.
X27: Frequency increased to every 30min Mon-Sat. Service rerouted from Livingston Centre via old 72 route to Whitburn Town Centre, then via West Main Street to Whitburn West End.
X28: Service increased to every 30min Mon-Sat.
70: Service extended from Gyle Centre to Balerno via 32 route, providing weekend services between Balerno & Hermiston Gait/The Gyle. Service curtailed to Halcroft Park in Ratho so that the service doesn’t double over itself at Hermiston P&R.
71: Buses will no longer interwork with service 70 to allow for timetable changes to improve reliability.
72: Service curtailed to Livingston Centre, with service X27 & new 75 replacing western half.
73: Frequency increased to every 30min Mon-Sat with new hourly Sunday service introduced. Service extended to Armadale from Bathgate via Bathville. Buses will then split to provide an hourly service to Blackridge Mon-Sat, & an hourly service daily to Honeyman Court.
75: New service between Fauldhouse & Bathgate Station via Whitburn, Blackburn, & Wester Inch, running every 60min Mon-Sat.

EastCoastBuses;
X4:
Frequency reduced to every hour daily.
X6: Daytime service reintroduced every hour daily. Service rerouted to Haymarket via X4 route. From A1, buses will omit Wallyford, rejoining current route at Dolphinestone Flyover.
124: Service rerouted between Levenhall & Johnny Cope Stone via B1348, Ayres Wynd, Preston Road, & Schaw Road to provide better links between the top & bottom ‘pans.’


PVR changes;
2:
8 > 9
5: 8 > 9
9: Unchanged
10: Unchanged
15: Unchanged
16: 18(?) > 15(?)
25: 17(?) > 15(?)
30: 18(?) > 14
32: 2 > 1
33: Unchanged
34: Unchanged
35/A: Unchanged
38: 8 > 7
47/A: Unchanged
X31: 3 > 5

X19: 5 > ~2
X20: 0 > ~2
X27: 7(?) > 8
X28: 8(?) > 10
70: ~2 > 2
71: ~2 > 2
72: 5 > 3
73: ~2 > 5
74: ~2 > 2
75: 0 > 2

X4: 5 > ~3
X6: 3 > ~3
124: Unchanged

Central: ±0 (+1 SD, -1 DD)
Marine: +1 (+1 DD)
Longstone: -8 (-2 SD, -6 DD)
Livingston: +6 (+6 DD)
Musselburgh: +1 (+1 DD)

As for fleet changes, I’ll leave that up to you guys.
 

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