Malky Mackay apologises for "disrespectful" messages

[MidnightFlyer]

But real or not, regardless of whether it's subjective why would you share a joke that concerns race? What's funny about joke that has race at the heart of it?

I don't know, you'd have to ask someone who partakes in them - a lot of them for me are dead and gone in accordance with all the outlook changes and all that carry on I described above. Perhaps Butts could be of assistance, he seems particularly vocal about it.

 

[RichmondCommu]

I don't know, you'd have to ask someone who partakes in them - a lot of them for me are dead and gone in accordance with all the outlook changes and all that carry on I described above. Perhaps Butts could be of assistance, he seems particularly vocal about it.

Fair enough. I would agree that Butts is a completely different kettle of fish!

 

[Butts]

I don't know, you'd have to ask someone who partakes in them - a lot of them for me are dead and gone in accordance with all the outlook changes and all that carry on I described above. Perhaps Butts could be of assistance, he seems particularly vocal about it.

Could you enlighten me as to where I indicated I partake in racist jokes :cry:

My point was that Paki was an abbreviation of Pakistani as Scot is of Scotsman. One seemingly acceptable the other not.
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Are these words any different to calling a welsh person Taff or a Scottish person Jock? *genuine question as to me they are the same category of wording yet seem acceptable in some groups and not others.

Oi ....Ginsters Muncher repetition - note to RC offensive description to those emanating from the far south west of England.

 

[meridian2]

Are you not aware of the "Kick It Out" campaign? I've had a season ticket at Derby County for many years and I would not take my wife to matches if I thought she would be racially abused. I should also add here that on several occasions I have informed the club of racist incidents from my fellow Rams fans. Their notable absence from their seats having been banned from the stadium show's that racism in the stands is being taken seriously. However, the MacKay incident shows that football still has much work to do.

Well that's good, even if I think the 'Kick it Out' campaign is as detached from reality as BBBR.
As for 'they used company phones', what's your source for this information and who leaked it to whom?

 

[EM2]

Like I said above I will never laugh at a joke that is either malicious or about one specific person as the former is detestable and the latter is grossly unfair.

That covers pretty much every joke where a person is the subject then, because they work by making that person the butt of the humour.
Basically, the teller of the joke is belittling the person that is the subject, immaterial of whether that person actually exists or not.

 

[Greenback]

There was an interesting thing on TV a month or two back that touched upon racist jokes. Can't remember the details or even what the programme was called now. But one of the things mentioned was that racist jokes essentially lead to racists thinking their views are acceptable and even push them to be even more racist. So what may seem like a harmless joke to me or you, may actually be making another person more racist to the point that they would discriminate or do something even worse.

I am very pleased that this has been raised, as for me it is a central point that has not been given enough attention in this thread.

Jokes that use racist stereotypes are not only used to hurt others, but they do also have the effect of helping to legitimise these views. Personally, I find jokes about Asians and corner shops to be desperately unfunny, and they resonate of a bygone era when prejudice was worse than it is now, and ethnic minorities faced discrimination on a daily basis one way or another.

However, it's not just about ethnic minorities. All nationalities and faiths, from the Irish to the Jews, deserve respect and not to be made fun of on the basis of stereotyping. That is what is wrong with Malky Mackay's texts, it's not so much the words used but the old fashioned mind set and hatred that tends to lie behind the words.

 

[ExRes]

I am very pleased that this has been raised, as for me it is a central point that has not been given enough attention in this thread.

Jokes that use racist stereotypes are not only used to hurt others, but they do also have the effect of helping to legitimise these views. Personally, I find jokes about Asians and corner shops to be desperately unfunny, and they resonate of a bygone era when prejudice was worse than it is now, and ethnic minorities faced discrimination on a daily basis one way or another.

However, it's not just about ethnic minorities. All nationalities and faiths, from the Irish to the Jews, deserve respect and not to be made fun of on the basis of stereotyping. That is what is wrong with Malky Mackay's texts, it's not so much the words used but the old fashioned mind set and hatred that tends to lie behind the words.

While I agree with your overall sentiments I do have to take exception to your very last sentence, the young people of today are as racist, sexist and downright rude as any other generation and will pass it on to their children as well, you only have to look at the popularity of such scumbags as Frankie Boyle, this 'comedian' thinks it funny to tell 'jokes' about the physically and mentally impaired and nobody does a thing about it

We should also remember that white skinned people are not the only racists around

 

[Greenback]

While I agree with your overall sentiments I do have to take exception to your very last sentence, the young people of today are as racist, sexist and downright rude as any other generation and will pass it on to their children as well, you only have to look at the popularity of such scumbags as Frankie Boyle, this 'comedian' thinks it funny to tell 'jokes' about the physically and mentally impaired and nobody does a thing about it

We should also remember that white skinned people are not the only racists around

Oh, I agree. I did not mean to imply that Malky Mackay is old (he is younger than I am), or that it is only the old that see things this way. I merely meant that I see these type of jokes as old fashioned. People like Frankie Boyle are engaging in offensive behaviour that would not be out of place decades ago. It should definitely be out of place now.

 

[richw]

Oi ....Ginsters Muncher repetition - note to RC offensive description to those emanating from the far south west of England.

That's proper offensive. Nobody from Cornwall touches Ginster mush.

I may even have to report your offensive post

 

[Clip]

Could you enlighten me as to where I indicated I partake in racist jokes :cry:

My point was that Paki was an abbreviation of Pakistani as Scot is of Scotsman. One seemingly acceptable the other not.
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Ahh yes Ive seen you mention this a few times as some sort of justification but you're old enough to understand that calling someone a Paki has far worse meaning due to its history than calling a scot a scot yet you choose to play ignorant.

I tell you what though, if you are so sure that its not offensive, get yourself a camera and pop off down the town and call loads of Asian people Pakis and see the results of your convictions. I would say come down here and call me missus it but Im afraid I couldnt get you a cheap ticket on EC.

 

[MCR247]

Several black African lads I know openly call each other "******", why is it suddenly the race card played when a white person addresses them as such?

This is not an example in any way of playing the race card. If they want tocall each other ****** then thats fine, but it does not make it acceptable for someone else, who may be of a different race, to call them that

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Jokes that use racist stereotypes are not only used to hurt others, but they do also have the effect of helping to legitimise these views. Personally, I find jokes about Asians and corner shops to be desperately unfunny, and they resonate of a bygone era when prejudice was worse than it is now, and ethnic minorities faced discrimination on a daily basis one way or another.

For those of us old enough to recall such matters, there were the type of signs displayed at rental properties in London in the 1950's that carried comments of the style...
No Blacks
No Irish

 

[Greenback]

Were there any relating to the Welsh?

 

[Butts]

For those of us old enough to recall such matters, there were the type of signs displayed at rental properties in London in the 1950's that carried comments of the style...
No Blacks
No Irish

Indeed replaced today by.....

No Smokers and No DSS todays pariahs
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Were there any relating to the Welsh?

There should have been

 

[Clip]

Not up to my challenge then Butts?

 

[Butts]

Not up to my challenge then Butts?

What do you want a duel ?

 

[Clip]

No but I asked you if you would stand by your convictions and go out and do what I said.

 

[Butts]

No but I asked you if you would stand by your convictions and go out and do what I said.

I'll do better than that, I will speak to a couple of Pakistanis that I work with to establish their opinions on the matter and get back to you.

 

[Clip]

I'll do better than that, I will speak to a couple of Pakistanis that I work with to establish their opinions on the matter and get back to you.

You can but thats not going to be a real reflection on whether it causes offence seeing how you know them and you will probably know full well what they think

 

[Butts]

You can but thats not going to be a real reflection on whether it causes offence seeing how you know them and you will probably know full well what they think

Actually I had never discussed with them whether they considered being called a "Paki" was offensive.

For the record one was ambivalent and the other veered towards your way of thinking. I am by no means extrapolating these findings as a scientific assessment of the feelings of Pakistanis in general.

 

[stanley T]

With regard to the first of these two words that you have named above, many Indian and Sri Lankan people in Britain today, in racial verbal usage aimed at them, are called by this "blanket" generic name as an insult by certain white people who appear to be totally ignorant of any differences.....which is far more annoying to them...:roll:

Yet lots of Indian/Pakistani people get away with referring to whites as "goras" in a clearly racist way...

More the point, we Crystal Palace supporters, after losing the best manager we ever had, now have to make do with a 65 year old retread. Last season was a mirage, looking at the Championship again?...