Manchester - Staines

[Anon Mouse]

Just judging peoples opinion really. From Manchester to Staines there are 2 tickets a 'Route Any Permitted' and 'Route London'. Now I am 100% sure that the cheaper 'Any Permitted' is valid via London and that its just an anomality however a friend of mine was told that it was not valid via London and that he had to buy a ticket 'Route London'. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

 

[LexyBoy]

Both tickets are perfectly valid via London.

Virgin obviously don't want the cheaper Any Permitted to be valid via London and may kick up a fuss. NRE does not show it as valid via London (ditto Manchester-Reading/Oxford) which I consider a bit suspicious.

 

[JamesRowden]

According to the Southern Journey Planner the 'Any' ticket is not valid via London Euston but is valid via Oxford changing at Reading.

 

[soil]

Manchester - Oxford Any Permitted is also valid to Staines, but only via London.

A fair bit cheaper, too.

 

[Lampshade]

Any Permitted is valid via Birmingham/Oxford to Reading, then via Ascot. I think it's also valid via Watford Junction - Willesden Junction - Clapham Junction, then via Richmond.

+LONDON is valid to and across London.

 

[soil]

Any Permitted is valid via Birmingham/Oxford to Reading, then via Ascot. I think it's also valid via Watford Junction - Willesden Junction - Clapham Junction, then via Richmond.

+LONDON is valid to and across London.

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Now really, no need to 'I think' on this.

http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/permitted_route_identifier (version RGL WGN amended 140213).pdf

Manchester Group Staines LONDON CS+WX GM+CS+WX GM+MA+CS+WX GM+MA+WX MA+CS+WX
MA+WX

LONDON means you may travel by permitted routes from Manchester to London, across London by tube, and then by permitted routes from London to Staines.

Simple.....

The +LONDON ticket is an error, which presumes that Manchester - Staines is not already valid via London.

 

[LexyBoy]

Since this crops up quite regularly, does anyone know the history of these flows from Manchester? Is the Any Permitted somehow protected which is why it's not been changed to a specific routeing - it seems an unlikely oversight that fares from Manchester haven't changed whilst from Stockport, Crewe etc they are all Not Via London (or equivalent) or +Via London only.

 

[Anon Mouse]

Both tickets are perfectly valid via London.

Virgin obviously don't want the cheaper Any Permitted to be valid via London and may kick up a fuss. NRE does not show it as valid via London (ditto Manchester-Reading/Oxford) which I consider a bit suspicious.

Thats what I thought. I never thought of the Manchester - Oxford option too. I'm surprised the ticket types are not 'Any Permitted' and 'Not London' but VT should not be kicking up a fuss (if they do) but a VT ticket office clerk would not sell him it (asked him if he was travelling via London) and instead sold him a 'via London'. Also changing at London is just as logical as changing at Reading and probably (I've never checked) quicker than changing at Reading. Its certainly not a route I would flag up as 'unusual' or 'suspicious', its not as if he was trying to go a daft route!
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Now really, no need to 'I think' on this.

http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/permitted_route_identifier (version RGL WGN amended 140213).pdf

Manchester Group Staines LONDON CS+WX GM+CS+WX GM+MA+CS+WX GM+MA+WX MA+CS+WX
MA+WX

LONDON means you may travel by permitted routes from Manchester to London, across London by tube, and then by permitted routes from London to Staines.

Simple.....

The +LONDON ticket is an error, which presumes that Manchester - Staines is not already valid via London.

I see, so perfectly valid but ommited on journey plans due to there being a +LONDON option, that makes a lot of sense. I suppose another give away would be if there is a 'Maltese Cross' on the 'Any Permitted' ticket