Manchester - Stalybridge Electrification

[GRALISTAIR]

Catterall Feeder is also being uprated.

Again true - but I thought this was also required as WCML Power supply being upgraded anyway to allow for Springs- Great Strickland going to auto-transformer etc

 

[Elecman]

Catterall will not feed Northwards after its upgrade, Catterall Northwards will be fed from the grid Feeder north of Oxenholme

 

[edwin_m]

True but a Grid Feeder takes a lot of planning and is expensive. At the minimum having the feeder in makes any future electrification massively easier and much easier to justify/business case wise - one less thing to do.

It's also a very long lead item (referring to how long before it needs to be ordered, not the length of the wire from Stalybridge to Ordsall Lane!). So once the contracts have been signed they might as well build it and make what use of it they can. There's a mention on another thread of one going ahead at Market Harborough despite that part of the MML having been Graylinged.

 

[Chester1]

Hm I'm not sure this follows. This feeder is required to ensure there is sufficient power supply further west after the electrification of the Manchester - Preston section.

Ah right. I thought that it wasn't needed for Manchester to Preston. As others have pointed out since, it will still help the business case. Bromley Street makes sense, its enough for trains to leave Victoria and re-enter using a different platform. What is the expected completion date?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Ah right. I thought that it wasn't needed for Manchester to Preston. As others have pointed out since, it will still help the business case. Bromley Street makes sense, its enough for trains to leave Victoria and re-enter using a different platform. What is the expected completion date?

May 2018, but that's no more reliable than any of the other NW dates.
I doubt trains will not run if it isn't ready.
Electric usage will be pretty light initially.
The AT feed isn't essential either until traffic builds up.

 

[rebmcr]

It's worth noting that further on in the document, the TPE section assumes that its electrification option begins at Stalybridge.

 

[snowball]

It's worth noting that further on in the document, the TPE section assumes that its electrification option begins at Stalybridge.

Almost certainly because they've forgotten to update it to reflect the dropping of Bromley Street to Stalybridge from NW Phase 5.

 

[IanXC]

Almost certainly because they've forgotten to update it to reflect the dropping of Bromley Street to Stalybridge from NW Phase 5.

The TRU documentation also refers to NW Phase 5 including Stalybridge to Guide Bridge!

 

[Chester1]

Almost certainly because they've forgotten to update it to reflect the dropping of Bromley Street to Stalybridge from NW Phase 5.

The TRU documentation also refers to NW Phase 5 including Stalybridge to Guide Bridge!

Or is it because they have not been cancelled yet and therefore the eastern approach to Victoria is sort of phase 5a?

 

[snowball]

The TRU documentation also refers to NW Phase 5 including Stalybridge to Guide Bridge!

What does TRU stand for? Is it another name for the latest update to the Enhancements Delivery Plan?

That anomaly has been in the document for maybe a couple of years now. Guide Bridge to Stalybridge was put back by several years relative to Victoria to Stalybridge, so that it became simultaneous with Stalybridge to Leeds etc, yet it continued to be listed as part of the same Phase 5.

 

[snowball]

Or is it because they have not been cancelled yet and therefore the eastern approach to Victoria is sort of phase 5a?

Almost everything I've seen in the last 3 years about the way this document gets "updated" suggests that it's done without anybody applying a "guiding mind" to check that it remains self-consistent. Bromley Street to Stalybridge has dropped out of the document leaving a hole. There are no masts up, and probably no bases, and no reason to believe any work towards electrifying it will be done in the remainder of CP5.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

-- the way this document gets "updated" suggests that it's done without anybody applying a "guiding mind" to check that it remains self-consistent.

AKA Cut and Paste !

-- Bromley Street to Stalybridge has dropped out of the document leaving a hole. There are no masts up, and probably no bases, and no reason to believe any work towards electrifying it will be done in the remainder of CP5.

Correct - money has run out.

 

[IanXC]

What does TRU stand for? Is it another name for the latest update to the Enhancements Delivery Plan?

Apologies, its the Transpennine Route Upgrade the project which now includes all of the electrification and journey time improvement works for the Stalybridge to York/Selby project.

 

[snowball]

You can see how thoroughly they keep the Enhancements Delivery Plan up to date from the fact that the pages on the TRU still refer to an interface with Selby to Hull electrification.

 

[Joseph_Locke]

Apologies, its the Transpennine Route Upgrade the project which now includes all of the electrification and journey time improvement works for the Stalybridge to York/Selby project.

But the text states an assumption that OLE-only rolling stock is used, so how do they get from Victoria to Stalybridge?

 

[rebmcr]

But the text states an assumption that OLE-only rolling stock is used, so how do they get from Victoria to Stalybridge?

In the return direction, Stalybridge to Victoria is of course downhill. Perhaps single-line electrification is in order!

 

[Ploughman]

I see that recycling is alive in well in Network Rail.
TRU in the early days of privatisation stood for Track Renewal Unit.

 

[snowball]

Possibly the most notable example of an abbreviation with more than one meaning is S&C.

 

[Joseph_Locke]

Possibly the most notable example of an abbreviation with more than one meaning is S&C.

Not the record holder - according to a quick look at the good book, ATS has eight meanings - that's as far as I got looking

 

[childwallblues]

But the text states an assumption that OCLE-only rolling stock is used, so how do they get from Victoria to Stalybridge?

Class 769?

 

[familyguy99]

I notice today that two maybe three electrification masts have pop up on east section of Manchester Victoria area (Rochdale & Stalybridge line) near to Rochdale Road bridge.

I upload few pics but as I take them from tram they may don't be good photo's.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Thanks- I call that progress

 

[coxxy]

A couple of nice shiny new AWS magnets have appeared in the 4 foot around the Ashton moss area as well...

 

[snowball]

There have been some discussion and pictures on Skyscrapercity of some works near the east end of Victoria, possibly associated with the famous feeder cable from Stalybridge. See the lower part of this page.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1265187&page=194

 

[snowball]

Bses reported by the bay platforms at Vic. Same link as in the post above.

 

[lejog]

Bses reported by the bay platforms at Vic. Same link as in the post above.

Which as a fairly regular user of the bay platforms, I thought a little odd, as I haven't spotted any new bases. Aren't these the same bases you reported in June?

What appear to be bases for electrification masts have been reported on the approach to Victoria station and alongside one of the bay platforms.

 

[snowball]

Which as a fairly regular user of the bay platforms, I thought a little odd, as I haven't spotted any new bases. Aren't these the same bases you reported in June?

When I referred to bases in June, I was remembering (and partly misremembering) a post by Freel07 on Skyscrapercity in April, with an embedded photograph showing yellow paint marks on the gravel:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=139621840&postcount=3484

My post today was based on a new post (again on SSC and again by Freel07), this time showing the tops of piles:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=143134474&postcount=3875

 

[lejog]

Ah okay thanks, I'm afraid I haven't paid that much attention to these bases, but think the concrete bases replaced the yellow paint marks some months ago.

 

[familyguy99]

I notice today that couple of more masts have pop up near to Rochdale Road bridge. As snowballs have confirm (couple of weeks ago) there are two bases next to platform 1 at Victoria station.

 

[snowball]

r02bapurdie (known on here as familyguy) has posted on Skyscrapercity some pictures of new portals between Victoria and Rochdale Road:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=144199503&postcount=3940

Overhead wires in the foreground of three of the pictures are Metrolink.