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Extra long platforms and additional island platforms would make loading easier, for it to work you would need to have 8 car trains to cope with the crowds and dedicated shuttle train to the city centre.
 
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Extra long platforms and additional island platforms would make loading easier, for it to work you would need to have 8 car trains to cope with the crowds and dedicated shuttle train to the city centre.
Pretty certain that the normal scheduled 12 trains per hour from Sandhills to the City Centre will be sufficient with a little crowd control in place.

The golf at Hoylake and the Grand National at Aintree seemed to cope with the enhanced 6-8 trains per hour and for a much longer journey.

Sandhills to Liverpool Central is only a 5 minute journey, even less to Moorfields
 

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What about a second station much closer further down the line with a much shorter walking distance tailored to crowd control and named "Everton Stadium"
Don’t want it too close. It’s better to have a walk that stretches the crowd out and creates natural space for the queue.
 

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...and there's currently a shuttle bus on match days which, although it might be scaled down a bit will probably continue for the less sprightly supporters.
 

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And you don't want too many stations. Ormskirk to Liverpool is already ten minutes slower than in the 1980s.
But of course these decisions should be based on passenger numbers.

Some of the stations at the non-LCR part of the Ormskirk line do enjoy exceedingly generous services-perhaps they could be skip stopped?!
 

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could be skip stopped?!
Probably not given the amount of income they bring in, their fares do help subsidise the line. Extra stops can be offset with quicker trains & less dwell time, but probably not using the 777 contraptions.
 

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Probably not given the amount of income they bring in, their fares do help subsidise the line. Extra stops can be offset with quicker trains & less dwell time, but probably not using the 777 contraptions.
But serving these out of area stations should not be used as a reason not to support additional stations north of Liverpool city centre to aid regeneration and development
 

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Skip stopping is totally undersirable. It's the antithesis of a turn up and go city system.

I don't think skip stopping the likes of Aughton Park and Town Green, or some of the very quiet Southport local stations, giving a half hourly service, would be entirely unreasonable. But we don't want to slow things down *too* much. Ten minutes on the Ormskirk since the system opened is quite remarkable. Though the 777s may be able to claw a bit back.

It would complicate the system but if it was numbered German style it could be quite clear that you want the N1 rather than the N2, or the W1 instead of the W2.
 

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I don't think skip stopping the likes of Aughton Park and Town Green, or some of the very quiet Southport local stations, giving a half hourly service, would be entirely unreasonable. But we don't want to slow things down *too* much. Ten minutes on the Ormskirk since the system opened is quite remarkable. Though the 777s may be able to claw a bit back.

It would complicate the system but if it was numbered German style it could be quite clear that you want the N1 rather than the N2, or the W1 instead of the W2.
In the dying days of Liverpool Exchange, we always hung back for the Southport Express, which only stopped three or four times.

I don't think skip stopping the likes of Aughton Park and Town Green, or some of the very quiet Southport local stations, giving a half hourly service, would be entirely unreasonable. But we don't want to slow things down *too* much. Ten minutes on the Ormskirk since the system opened is quite remarkable. Though the 777s may be able to claw a bit back.

It would complicate the system but if it was numbered German style it could be quite clear that you want the N1 rather than the N2, or the W1 instead of the W2.
Aughton Park appears to have similar passenger numbers to Capenhurst!
 

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I did at one point wonder if it'd be viable to run 6tph on the Ormskirk line, with 3 turning at Maghull. Or similar on the Southport at say Formby, though Maghull North would probably knacker the former.
 

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The best way to improve journey times would be to scrap the over-zealous "safety" rules about when the guard can open the train doors at station stops.
A 20 to 30 second wait for the doors to open after a train stops is becoming increasingly common.
 

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I don't think skip stopping the likes of Aughton Park and Town Green, or some of the very quiet Southport local stations, giving a half hourly service, would be entirely unreasonable. But we don't want to slow things down *too* much. Ten minutes on the Ormskirk since the system opened is quite remarkable. Though the 777s may be able to claw a bit back.

It would complicate the system but if it was numbered German style it could be quite clear that you want the N1 rather than the N2, or the W1 instead of the W2.

The trouble with skip stopping is that it would ruin local journeys, and Merseyrail is quite well used in that respect, which is to be encouraged not discouraged.

Were it possible to be pathed, and could be made commercially viable, something like a half-hourly express service to both Southport and Ormskirk would be rather good, on top of the existing service. In the case of Ormskirk I’d be looking to call at something like Kirkdale, Aintree, Maghull and Ormskirk only. Less sure about the Southport line but there I’d be more looking to include the stations at the Southport end and run fast nearer to Liverpool.

But it’s all pretty academic as there’s a number of reasons why this just isn’t going to happen. The best enhancement Merseyrail is going to get is from the enhanced performance of the 777s. And, really, a more useful improvement would be increased train lengths.
 

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The best way to improve journey times would be to scrap the over-zealous "safety" rules about when the guard can open the train doors at station stops.
A 20 to 30 second wait for the doors to open after a train stops is becoming increasingly common.
Indeed - what exactly are they supposed to be observing before opening the doors? That the platform is still there? I can understand the need to avoid "trap and drag" on departure - but a guard at the rear of the train is not going to be able to see the unsafe bit of platform coping at the front of the train anyway and on a relatively simple system like Merseyrail there can't be that much variation in which side the platform is on (are there any under normal operating conditions other than some of the termini?)
 
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