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In this article Merseyrail have set out plans for new stations in the Liverpool and Maghull areas, and increases to speed and frequency between several destinations.

Whilst we aren't privy to full details for a further few months, are there any suggestions as to what else their plans are likely to include? Has anyone heard details of other stations Merseyrail is considering opening?

It'd certainly be interesting to see the network expand into south-west Wirral or the Arrowe Park area.


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More than 30 new railway stations being considered across Merseyside

More than 30 new railway stations are being considered across Merseyside to cope with surging passenger numbers.

A list of potential new station sites has been drawn up as part of a multi-million pound plan to improve public transport.

David Brown, chief executive of transport authority Merseytravel, told Friday’s meeting of the City Region combined authority that there were “30-odd” new station proposals in the pipeline.

Merseytravel declined to release a list of the sites, although this is expected to be made public in September...
 
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This is MerseyTravel the transport authority, not necessarily MerseyRail the train operator. In fact, MerseyRail are not mentioned in that article at all. Some of those stations could well be on Northern Rail or London Midland routes, rather than/as well as MerseyRail routes.

I'd be curious to see this 30 station list though. The area is pretty dense with stations already IMO, though those 30 could be spread across multiple lines.
 

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St James railway station, Liverpool John Lennon Airport and Town Meadow (in Moreton) are likely candidates in my opinion
 

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The 30 stations list will also include alternate locations for stations serving the same area.
 

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St James railway station, Liverpool John Lennon Airport and Town Meadow (in Moreton) are likely candidates in my opinion

Speke Airport is badly sited for a rail extension.
The shortest route would need about 2km of tunnelling from the Allerton direction (ie from Lime St HL).
That would put it at the end of an 8-mile shuttle route, about as uneconomic a service proposition as you could imagine.
The only prospect of a through connection would be on to the Crewe line west of Ditton over open land (outside the city boundary).
I suppose a tunnelled Merseyrail loop from LPY (Garston) might work.
Either way it seems like an expensive idea.
Can the airport support such a scheme?
It gets 4.1m passengers a year (and declining). Manchester gets 20.7m passengers a year (and rising).
 

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Depends on how they plan to extend the Merseytravel area as now it responsible for the area covered by the Liverpool Combined Authority who published a wish list of 12 projects ahead of the 2nd meeting of the Authority on the 13th June 2014.

The Liverpool Echo reports.
"A list of potential new station sites has been drawn up as part of a multi-million pound plan to improve public transport.

David Brown, chief executive of transport authority Merseytravel, told Friday’s meeting of the City Region combined authority that there were “30-odd” new station proposals in the pipeline.

Merseytravel declined to release a list of the sites, although this is expected to be made public in September.

Transport chiefs are currently examining each plot of land to decide whether a new station is necessary and how much it would cost.

Mr Brown said: “We want to understand the benefits on a site-by-site basis. Some have more potential than others at this moment in time.

“We are trying to identify those that will unlock development so we wan identify investment opportunities.

“But for the first time now we have a comprehensive list of potential new stations.

“We are looking at the revenue potential and aspiration. We are trying to identify the economic positivity each could bring.”

The list of possible new stations is likely to include the proposed Maghull North railway station and the suggested re-opening of the closed-down St James’s station in Liverpool’s Baltic Triangle.

The 30-plus new stations are among Merseytravel’s 12 “rail priorities” for the next 30 years.

Other priorities include: improving connections between Liverpool and other major cities, increasing capacity at Liverpool Central Station, continuing to lobby for a high-speed rail link into Liverpool and more frequent trains between Liverpool and Skelmersdale, Ormskirk and Preston, and Chester and Ellesmere Port.

Merseytravel chairman Cllr Liam Robinson said: “This is about thinking big and being co-ordinated in the way we grow and develop the rail network so we can ensure we are properly focused on supporting the growth of the Liverpool city region economy, not purely for our benefit but as our overall contribution to the UK economy.

“It’s essential that we consider how projects work together to improve connectivity and capacity, rather than delivering piecemeal projects in isolation.”

Combined authority chairman Cllr Phil Davies said: “The Combined Authority enables us to consider transport from a ‘big picture’ perspective to ensure we have in place the powers and priorities that can be viewed in a connected, transformational way, rather than in the piecemeal approach of the past.

“Good transport infrastructure and services are key to economic growth and regeneration. They are a way of strengthening not only our City Region but the whole of the north. Rebalancing economies in the north and south will ultimately benefit Britain.”

I had already started a thread covering Liverpool City Region Authority discuss Rail Development in the North of England in which a copy of the agenda is included, but for convenience the document can be found at this website

http://councillors.knowsley.gov.uk/...ty.pdf?T=10&StyleType=standard&StyleSize=none

We should remember that the agenda is a summary of plan stretching 30 years into the future, so presumably those stations and lines which offer the area the best opportunity for regeneration are those likely to head the priority list, subject of course to budget constraints. It also means that any order for new rolling stock may now face a further delay whilst the master plan is formulated.
 

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I'd like to see the Ormskirk - Preston line electrified, redoubled and the curves reinstated at Burscough. Only time will tell if it would be cost-effective but it'd increase the limited journey opportunities from Liverpool to Preston and beyond which can only be a good thing. The reintroduction of the Burscough curves would allow for speedier travel in and from northern Merseyside.

I don't think a new station for JL Airport would really achieve much. There are frequent bus links from South Parkway and direct bus services from the city centre, so the building of a new station would only abstract business, instead of creating new.
 

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I'd like to see the Ormskirk - Preston line electrified, redoubled and the curves reinstated at Burscough. Only time will tell if it would be cost-effective but it'd increase the limited journey opportunities from Liverpool to Preston and beyond which can only be a good thing. The reintroduction of the Burscough curves would allow for speedier travel in and from northern Merseyside.

I don't think a new station for JL Airport would really achieve much. There are frequent bus links from South Parkway and direct bus services from the city centre, so the building of a new station would only abstract business, instead of creating new.

A lot of people won't even consider a bus to go to an airport though. (A lot of people won't even consider a bus at all) A train would get people out of the car though. Especially when the two bridges at Runcorn start being tolled. I'd personally put Ditton top for reopening (with Halton now part of the City region)
 

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Are there still plans to extend the 3rd rail at Kirkby (and reconnect the lines of course) to 'Headbolt Lane' or whatever it was called? Or was that tied in with Everton's now-shelved plans to open a new stadium?
 

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It'd certainly be interesting to see the network expand into south-west Wirral or the Arrowe Park area.
Unfortunately this line runs through open country with built up areas off to either side, generally beyond walking distance from any potential station. It is also a pretty indirect route from mid-Wirral into Liverpool.

the curves reinstated at Burscough
Whatever happened to the proposal to put the curves back in, extend the electric service one station to there, and cut back the Preston line there as well, giving various connections as well like Preston to Southport.

St James’s station in Liverpool’s Baltic Triangle.
Having a station called St James just a mile or so from one called James St is a chapter of misdirected passengers just waiting to happen.
 
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Speke Airport is badly sited for a rail extension.
The shortest route would need about 2km of tunnelling from the Allerton direction (ie from Lime St HL).
That would put it at the end of an 8-mile shuttle route, about as uneconomic a service proposition as you could imagine.
The only prospect of a through connection would be on to the Crewe line west of Ditton over open land (outside the city boundary).
I suppose a tunnelled Merseyrail loop from LPY (Garston) might work.
Either way it seems like an expensive idea.
Can the airport support such a scheme?
It gets 4.1m passengers a year (and declining). Manchester gets 20.7m passengers a year (and rising).

There is nothing in the Merseytravel list of 12 projects to indicate constructing a rail link to John Lennon Airport to quote it's official name, although like you and many local people we still refer to it as Speke. The airport was wholly owned by Peel who made considerable investments to the facility but then sold a large share to a Canadian company, under which the passenger numbers have decreased in recent years, but this decrease is possibly not unexpected in view of the recent gloomy economic scene. Peel has recently purchased the remaining 65% of Vantage Airports to whom it sold so the airport is now back totally owned by Peel. This is important, because it means that Peel can develop the site as part of it's wider plan for Merseyside and the Manchester Ship Canal. We should also remember that Peel above all is a property developer so with this in mind and also remembering that they are leading members of the Liverpool Enterprise Partnership (LEP) and owners of the Port of Liverpool and Manchester Ship Canal there could be another alternative.

The LEP and Liverpool City Region Greater Authority (LCRGA) are actively working together to develop freight and logistics related industries in the Mersey region and is included in the LCRGA agenda mentioned earlier. The LEP have produced a more detailed plan which can be found at this link.

http://www.liverpoollep.org/pdf/Annex B - Strategic Economic Plan Investment Pipeline.pdf

This clearly identifies the locations for areas of development which are largely based on the Peel Liverpool2 riverside container terminal that opens towards the end of next year. It is interesting to note there is no mention of Garston Freightliner Terminal, nor for that matter Garston Docks which is owned by rival port operator Associated British Ports. With the major expansion of containerised freight likely to come from Liverpool2 and Royal Seaforth it could be a sensible proposition to close the site and transfer operations to the Seaforth railhead where more space could be available which would immediately remove the need to shunt containers between the two locations which presently is subsidised by Freightliner. The Bootle Branch could then be electrified and additional links to the WCML via either the Ormskirk or Kirkby routes could be added and electrified at the same time.

With Garston Freightliner closed, it would then be possible to link the existing Merseyrail route from Central Station along the alignment of the former St Helens Canal & Railway Company and Garston Dock station which is now part of the Garston bye-pass. The line would follow the alignment of the Freightliner terminal but then enter a tunnel under Speke Boulevard and broadly following the alignment of the road before emerging around Estuary Boulevard where a new station could be constructed to service the industrial estate and retail park on the other side of Speke Boulevard. The line would then continue on to the airport and enter a terminal station to serve the airport, or as you suggest continue on to Ditton. This later option would then allow trains from North Wales etc through the newly opened Mersey Dee curve to access the airport considerably improving the access to the airport at the same time. This option reduces the length of tunnelling and also allows freight to be concentrated at the North end of the city, or at the Stobbart facility at Widnes which is already used by Freightliner. A win all round for Peel.
 
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The proposed Halewood South Station on the West Coast Mainline at the Jaguar Car Junction will certainly contribute to the connection to the Wirral from the north of the River Mersey. A station placed at this site in conjunction with the reinstatement of the Halton Curve opens up tremendous opportunities both for connectivity to the Wirral and North Wales, but also to open up a further Inter-City capability and enhance both the City Line and London Midland services to the North West and predominately Liverpool John Lennon Airport.
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Regarding the assumption of good frequency of bus connections to John Lennon Airport from Liverpool South Parkway, this is totally wrong. The bus provision is poor and needs to be improved in the medium term and so does the parking provision at Liverpool South Parkway, which does not even meet the demand for people wishing to commute to the City Centre from the local areas. Virgin trains refuse to stop at this station because the curvature of track at this location and bridge infrastructure does not allow sufficient space to embark or disembark from the Inter-City trains
 
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Apart from the well known expansion plans for the Merseyrail network, the announcement of up to 30 new stations by Merseytravel could see stations at less obvious locations. This is because the policy is designed to regenerate the area and increase opportunity for travel and employment thus suggesting the priority will be in areas of low car ownership as well. One obvious line that could benefit would be the Bootle Branch, especially if it was electrified. This could lead to stations at Edge Lane to service the new retail estate on which work is about to start, Stanley, Anfield (near Townsend Lane) and Walton which could also service the football stadia on match days. If the North Mersey line was also brought back into use the service could either extend to either Southport or Ormskirk and beyond as well as open up an additional route for freight trains to reach to the Port of Liverpool thus making better use of resources.
 

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Virgin trains refuse to stop at this station because the curvature of track at this location and bridge infrastructure does not allow sufficient space to embark or disembark from the Inter-City trains
I'd always thought it was because Pendolinos were just too long for the platforms!
 

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There is nothing in the Merseytravel list of 12 projects to indicate constructing a rail link to John Lennon Airport to quote it's official name, although like you and many local people we still refer to it as Speke. The airport was wholly owned by Peel who made considerable investments to the facility but then sold a large share to a Canadian company, under which the passenger numbers have decreased in recent years, but this decrease is possibly not unexpected in view of the recent gloomy economic scene. Peel has recently purchased the remaining 65% of Vantage Airports to whom it sold so the airport is now back totally owned by Peel. This is important, because it means that Peel can develop the site as part of it's wider plan for Merseyside and the Manchester Ship Canal. We should also remember that Peel above all is a property developer so with this in mind and also remembering that they are leading members of the Liverpool Enterprise Partnership (LEP) and owners of the Port of Liverpool and Manchester Ship Canal there could be another alternative.

Word was the deal by Peel to sell to Vantage included minimum passenger guarentees which the airport failed to achieve so Peel were contractually bound to buy it back against their will.
 
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I'd always thought it was because Pendolinos were just too long for the platforms!

That's exactly right, Pendolinos were too long and at that time there were plans to extend the length by a further two carriages (this has now happened). The infrastructure was not able to accommodate an extended platform
 

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I'd like to see the Ormskirk - Preston line electrified, redoubled and the curves reinstated at Burscough. Only time will tell if it would be cost-effective but it'd increase the limited journey opportunities from Liverpool to Preston and beyond which can only be a good thing. The reintroduction of the Burscough curves would allow for speedier travel in and from northern Merseyside.

Why?

Preston-Ormskirk is my local line, and much as I love it, I don't think it's ever going to justify anything like the investment you suggest. Doubling and electrifying to Burscough would be perfectly adequate, IMO, unless the proposed housing development near Midge Hall is of very large Buckshaw-type proportions in which case there's maybe a justification for some more extensive works. Even there, though, I think simply reopening Midge Hall station with an hourly service on a truncated Preston-Burscough line would do the trick.

The line serves no purpose for freight as the docks are inaccessible from it without complicated reversals and running round. It's got very little diversionary purpose, with Liverpool already having two lines to Manchester/London (by far the most important routes) and arguably not really needing one for the considerably more marginal Blackpool/Preston routes. I was on a peak-time Preston-Liverpool train just last night and, while busy, the two-car Pacer wasn't full. That doesn't suggest a booming demand for more Liverpool-Northwards services to me.

A much better bet for investment in the area, IMO, is the Wigan-Southport route, which does reasonably well and is able to sustain a half hourly service (or more at peak time) without problem. If in 2025 we have the Southport line electrified as part of the NW scheme and EMU-operated, and Merseyrail extended to Burscough Junction and Wigan Wallgate then I'd be very, very happy. Anything else, at this stage, seems to me a waste of money.
 
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Beyond Halton Curve and Skem, I will be extremely interested to see what Merseytravel will do. Like all PTE's, Merseytravel seem to like a toy to play with whilst ignoring the needs of the bus passengers. Indeed when the mayor abolishes bus lanes, do we really want to give him a bigger train set ?
 

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Thinking of Ormskirk, I suppose there are very few forum members who would remember the onward branch line stations and halts at:-
Westhead Halt
Skelmersdale
White Moss Level Crossing Halt
Hey's Crossing Halt.

I certainly remember the first 2 but not the others. My memories of Skelmersdale are of this "large" station with a level crossing, but no doubt that was due to everything appearing larger than it actually was - I was probably only 7 or 8 at the time.
 

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Word was the deal by Peel to sell to Vantage included minimum passenger guarentees which the airport failed to achieve so Peel were contractually bound to buy it back against their will.

Even more reason for Peel to find a solution to increase passenger numbers. The actual press release which is on this link states

http://www.liverpoolairport.com/liverpool-john-lennon-airport-press-release/

"Liverpool John Lennon Airport (JLA) today announced a change to the structure of its ownership. The Peel Group, which previously held a 35% shareholding in Vantage Airports UK, the current owners of JLA, has reached an agreement to acquire the remaining 65% stake in the business from Vantage Airport Group.

This change of ownership is effective immediately and Peel will now become the sole owner of the Airport Company"

Thinking again about a rail link and my earlier, perhaps a better suggestion than a tunnel under Speke Boulevard would be for the line to use the existing alignment under Speke Boulevard before running broadly parallel to the road and then turning back in a cutting behind B&Q on the retail estate and crossing back under Speke Boulevard. This would then enable for a station to be constructed with access either from side of this main road enabling it to service both the retail park and the expanding business park. Not perhaps the fastest alignment but one that could offer the possibility to place a junction on the north end of the station linked to the CLC route emerging roughly behind the Asda on Speke Hall Road. This would allow trains from north and east to reach the airport station without the need to reverse, assuming the Ditton to Warrington route remained freight only but would require quite a bit of tunnelling.
 

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Even more reason for Peel to find a solution to increase passenger numbers. The actual press release which is on this link states

http://www.liverpoolairport.com/liverpool-john-lennon-airport-press-release/

"Liverpool John Lennon Airport (JLA) today announced a change to the structure of its ownership. The Peel Group, which previously held a 35% shareholding in Vantage Airports UK, the current owners of JLA, has reached an agreement to acquire the remaining 65% stake in the business from Vantage Airport Group.

This change of ownership is effective immediately and Peel will now become the sole owner of the Airport Company"

Thinking again about a rail link and my earlier, perhaps a better suggestion than a tunnel under Speke Boulevard would be for the line to use the existing alignment under Speke Boulevard before running broadly parallel to the road and then turning back in a cutting behind B&Q on the retail estate and crossing back under Speke Boulevard. This would then enable for a station to be constructed with access either from side of this main road enabling it to service both the retail park and the expanding business park. Not perhaps the fastest alignment but one that could offer the possibility to place a junction on the north end of the station linked to the CLC route emerging roughly behind the Asda on Speke Hall Road. This would allow trains from north and east to reach the airport station without the need to reverse, assuming the Ditton to Warrington route remained freight only but would require quite a bit of tunnelling.

Come on Wavertreelad, the likelihood of a direct link to JLA is about akin to Garston voting Tory at the next election. This is why Mersey travel always backs the wrong horses. Merseytram is as great example. I'll go for a Halton Curve investment and bring Skem back into the fold (oh and Bidston to Wrexham electrification) but any spare resources should go into the bus network by giving people from the likes of Speke and Netherley and Stock bridge Village (no stations here) quicker bus opportunities to the City Centre. I may consider a Lime Street to Anfield to Lime Street circular as a possibility but the problems here are that the proposed station in Utting Avenue is at least 20 minutes from LFC and perhaps a tad longer from Goodison. That 20 minutes is in the wrong direction as well .
 

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If a station was to be built to serve the two football grounds (better than Kirkdale/Rice Lane do at present) I imagine the name of 'Anfield' would be a big no-no with the blue half of the city of Liverpool!
 

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Come on Wavertreelad, the likelihood of a direct link to JLA is about akin to Garston voting Tory at the next election. This is why Mersey travel always backs the wrong horses. Merseytram is as great example. I'll go for a Halton Curve investment and bring Skem back into the fold (oh and Bidston to Wrexham electrification) but any spare resources should go into the bus network by giving people from the likes of Speke and Netherley and Stock bridge Village (no stations here) quicker bus opportunities to the City Centre. I may consider a Lime Street to Anfield to Lime Street circular as a possibility but the problems here are that the proposed station in Utting Avenue is at least 20 minutes from LFC and perhaps a tad longer from Goodison. That 20 minutes is in the wrong direction as well .

It wasn't me who suggested a rail link to the airport, and as I posted in my first post on this thread there is no specific mention of it in Merseytravels 30 year strategy document presented to the Liverpool Combined Authority last week. All I did was suggest an alternative to plan proposed in the first thread.

I'd also go for the Halton Curve, Skem, and Bidston to Wrexham, as well as Ormskirk to Preston as extensions. The Bootle branch must also be a strong candidate and but must admit the proposed station does seem a fair distance from the football grounds, but again this was not my suggestion but that of Merseytravel when LFC were planning a new stadium on Stanley Park. The proposed site however, could justify a good catchment area as every bus service along Queens Drive to the north ends at either Bootle or Crosby, whilst is a southerly direction you can reach Speke and Garston as well as Dingle, but this leaves huge areas of the City difficult to reach directly and with no serious competition Arriva and Stagecoach can continue to hike up fires.

I don't think providing more buses on services from Speke, Stock bridge Village and Netherley to the City centre is the answer, rather better organisation and choice of destinations is the key. The 79 and it's various sub routes which I accept do not all go to Netherley must be one of most intensive routes in the City, at Wavertree Clock it is not unusual to see three or four at a time, and they are about every five minutes most of the day.
 
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