Mk1 coach seat moquette reference

[Muzer]

Weird question, but I'm sat in a Mk 1 right now (4994) that has a seat moquette of regularly spaced black squares on a bluey-grey background, with random black squares having red lines at the top. I'm curious as to when this moquette is from, etc. While I have found a few things on the internet, especially the Bluebell Railway's guide, they're all quite limited and none of them have this moquette. Does anyone know what this is and, more generally, if there is a good reference (online or otherwise) for identifying seat moquettes (preferably both pre and post privatisation)?

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Got an image?

 

[Muzer]

Yeah, sorry, wasn't in a good position to upload it. Here it is!

 

[njamescouk]

there used to be a firm called british furtex in luddenfoot, w. Yorks that made cloth for underground trains. now a housing estate, no idea what else they made.

picture here www.pennineheritage.org.uk/document/1711, google may help...

 

[Bishopstone]

That reminds me of the First Class moquette in the GatEx refurbished 442s.

 

[Ploughman]

There was also a firm in Halifax that supplied BR as well.
I used to pick up for BREL York from both places.
Will try and remember the firm's name.

 

[yorksrob]

Holdsworth's was the name.

I can't say I've ever seen the design before.

 

[Ploughman]

Yes that's the name.
I don't recognise it either.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

The design does remind me of what some Mk2 stock had, particularly those on the Waterloo n- Exeter route, but I don't recall the red flashes on that and I am sure the squares were closer together and were dark blue - is it possible, therefore, that the carriage in question has a custom made moquette based loosely upon the one used by NSE?

However...

4994 was formerly a Network NorthWest vehicle before moving into the InterCity Charter Unit.

Could it be a moquette developed specially for one of those two operations? ( NNW was a rather short lived attempt to emulate Network SouthEast. )

 

[47271]

The design does remind me of what some Mk2 stock had, particularly those on the Waterloo n- Exeter route, but I don't recall the red flashes on that and I am sure the squares were closer together and were dark blue

Is this the one you're thinking of found in mk2s Peter?

https://www.camirafabrics.com/sites/default/files/styles/291x291/public/FMO168.jpg?itok=1IYfuXff

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Is this the one you're thinking of found in mk2s Peter?

https://www.camirafabrics.com/sites/default/files/styles/291x291/public/FMO168.jpg?itok=1IYfuXff

Yes - it is; that's the NSE Mk2 one.

Don't suppose you have the NNW one to show as well?

 

[47271]

Yes - it is; that's the NSE Mk2 one.

Don't suppose you have the NNW one to show as well?

Sorry no, but I knew the other one you meant - I vaguely remembered it on routes out of Paddington in the 1990s - and put 'British Rail moquette' into Google, and there it was!

 

[yorksrob]

and put 'British Rail moquette' into Google, and there it was!

I see there's a settee done out in Trojan !

(I really am quite jelous).

 

[Muzer]

It's always possible it was something WCRC had made, of course. Each coach seemed to have a different moquette though so if that's the answer they aren't trying for consistency at least...

Where did you find the info about 4994 being used for Network NorthWest? I was curious myself but didn't know where to look to find out that info either.

 

[yorksrob]

I must admit, I'm always a bit disappointed whenever I see a vehicle fitted out in non-authentic moquette,

 

[47271]

I must admit, I'm always a bit disappointed whenever I see a vehicle fitted out in non-authentic moquette,

I like it, Alan Bennett could've written that line.

 

[yorksrob]

I like it, Alan Bennett could've written that line.

It's from my seminal work "A Cream Cracker under the IC70 seating unit"

Funnily enough, I have actually seen the great Alan Bennett walking across the concourse at Leeds station !

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Where did you find the info about 4994 being used for Network NorthWest? I was curious myself but didn't know where to look to find out that info either.

I just looked back through my old combined volumes...

 

[co-tr-paul]

There is a group on Flckr for train interiors. May help.

 

[delt1c]

I must admit, I'm always a bit disappointed whenever I see a vehicle fitted out in non-authentic moquette,

if it ran in BR service with this motuette then it is authentic.

 

[yorksrob]

if it ran in BR service with this motuette then it is authentic.

Indeed, although no one seems to have been able to positively identify the one mentioned by the OP.

I don't mind authentic moquettes turning up in unusual settings, e.g. Trojan in a Pendolino or Blue Blaze on a Northern 158 etc.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Just a thought - has anyone actually tried asking the railway in question about those seats...?