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Biscuit1986

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Hi just wanted to ask what to expect in a MOM interview? My main concern is that if they go more to the side of signaller side of things. I work track inspections and am now thinking have a made a bit of a fool of my self the people at work with said basically it’s predominantly ex signallers that do that job. (Not all MOM are signallers but at lot tent to be)
 
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I can't answer your question I'm afraid, but I'd have thought that if you didn't have the required skills and experience for the role then you wouldn't have been offered an interview and made it through the paper sift. Unless you only got the interview through some kind of redeployment process?
 

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Its a long time since I had my interview so things will have definitely changed and I can’t really give you any pointers there. But I can say you definitely don’t need to have previously been a signaller to get a MOM job. Yes many in the grade do have some signalling experience but there are loads of MOMs from different backgrounds… P-way, S&T, even young graduates and people fresh off the street. One of the best and most experienced MOMs (with 30+ years service) I know has never been a signaller and only very occasionally works a signalling shift when there’s absolutely no other option for cover.

A lot of MOMs very rarely or never go near a signalbox. Some areas do want their MOMs to be signaller competent but they will send you on the course if you’re not already qualified, even then acting as a signaller in the MOM grade is not actually in the job description so you can’t be forced to do it.

Good luck and as per the post above whether you get the job or not, you’ve definitely not made a fool of yourself by getting to the interview stage.
 

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Its a long time since I had my interview so things will have definitely changed and I can’t really give you any pointers there. But I can say you definitely don’t need to have previously been a signaller to get a MOM job. Yes many in the grade do have some signalling experience but there are loads of MOMs from different backgrounds… P-way, S&T, even young graduates and people fresh off the street. One of the best and most experienced MOMs (with 30+ years service) I know has never been a signaller and only very occasionally works a signalling shift when there’s absolutely no other option for cover.

A lot of MOMs very rarely or never go near a signalbox. Some areas do want their MOMs to be signaller competent but they will send you on the course if you’re not already qualified, even then acting as a signaller in the MOM grade is not actually in the job description so you can’t be forced to do it.

Good luck and as per the post above whether you get the job or not, you’ve definitely not made a fool of yourself by getting to the interview stage.
Thanks for response and words that has taking a weight of my mind knowing this information. I have been doing research on the MOM role and it’s hard to get trying to talk to as many people as I can.
 

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Forgive my ignorance but what is a MOM?
Mobile operations manager. Pretty much a first responder to incidents that happen on the railway. Access gate left open? Send the mom. Trespasser? Send the mom. Sheep? Send the mom. Etc.

Signallers do have an advantage with pursuing MOM roles. But also people who have PTS, work on the line regularly also have an advantage because that type of thing takes a while to build confidence to do. COSSing isn’t easy if you’re not confident or in control of your group.
 

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Thanks for clarifying - I thought everything you mentioned would be handled by BTP haha
 

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Mobile operations manager. Pretty much a first responder to incidents that happen on the railway. Access gate left open? Send the mom. Trespasser? Send the mom. Sheep? Send the mom. Etc.

Signallers do have an advantage with pursuing MOM roles. But also people who have PTS, work on the line regularly also have an advantage because that type of thing takes a while to build confidence to do. COSSing isn’t easy if you’re not confident or in control of your group.
Yeah John that’s kinda what my work colleagues have said signallers going for they job tent to get them jobs have excellent communities skills dealing with high pressure on a day to day basis. And would know the section like there own street
 

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Thanks for clarifying - I thought everything you mentioned would be handled by BTP haha

Not really. You may receive BTP support especially when a crime has been committed or suspected, but due to proximity and availability, you will normally be the first on scene (or locals might already be there).
 

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Signallers do have an advantage with pursuing MOM roles. But also people who have PTS, work on the line regularly also have an advantage because that type of thing takes a while to build confidence to do. COSSing isn’t easy if you’re not confident or in control of your group.
That's a great point, if you are applying from the p-way and already have PTS, COSS, Lookout/Site Warden etc.. competencies then you have a little advantage over the vast majority of signallers who have applied. Saving the manager's training and PPE budget!
 

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Thanks for clarifying - I thought everything you mentioned would be handled by BTP haha
Well I know of some areas that have multiple MOMs. Some areas the MOMs don’t inspect (visiting places that have high levels of trespassers) and just sit in the office and wait for a shout due to how long it takes to get to places due to traffic. Some MOMs have to have BTP with them because of anti social behaviour. As mentioned, some MOMs don’t do any signalling whereas some do. Some MOMs have massive areas whereas some have a quarter of the trains and a much smaller area. There was a recent debate about how much MOMs should be paid. It’s Grade 7 around the board, but should you be a G7 if you’re in an area that’s controlled by signallers on G9?
That's a great point, if you are applying from the p-way and already have PTS, COSS, Lookout/Site Warden etc.. competencies then you have a little advantage over the vast majority of signallers who have applied. Saving the manager's training and PPE budget!
Exactly, and it’s very difficult for a trainee MOM to COSS for a group of people due to the trust it takes. And it’s very hard to just ring up and take a line blockage due to how busy the network is right now. So having those competencies is really helpful.
Yeah John that’s kinda what my work colleagues have said signallers going for they job tent to get them jobs have excellent communities skills dealing with high pressure on a day to day basis. And would know the section like there own street
Bare in mind, a workstation looks completely different to how it looks on the ground. If you’ve done track inspections you know the area too, just from a different perspective. I know of signallers and PWAY, OHL and S&T who have become MOMs. All of those use safety critical comms :)
 

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There was a recent debate about how much MOMs should be paid. It’s Grade 7 around the board, but should you be a G7 if you’re in an area that’s controlled by signallers on G9?
Grade 6 for some areas :( The union has a MOM Working Group looking at the grades and job description at the moment but nothing has come of it yet.
 

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Well I know of some areas that have multiple MOMs. Some areas the MOMs don’t inspect (visiting places that have high levels of trespassers) and just sit in the office and wait for a shout due to how long it takes to get to places due to traffic. Some MOMs have to have BTP with them because of anti social behaviour. As mentioned, some MOMs don’t do any signalling whereas some do. Some MOMs have massive areas whereas some have a quarter of the trains and a much smaller area. There was a recent debate about how much MOMs should be paid. It’s Grade 7 around the board, but should you be a G7 if you’re in an area that’s controlled by signallers on G9?
Exactly, and it’s very difficult for a trainee MOM to COSS for a group of people due to the trust it takes. And it’s very hard to just ring up and take a line blockage due to how busy the network is right now. So having those competencies is really helpful.
Bare in mind, a workstation looks completely different to how it looks on the ground. If you’ve done track inspections you know the area too, just from a different perspective. I know of signallers and PWAY, OHL and S&T who have become MOMs. All of those use safety critical
Grade 6 for some areas :( The union has a MOM Working Group looking at the grades and job description at the moment but nothing has come of it yet.
Well I know of some areas that have multiple MOMs. Some areas the MOMs don’t inspect (visiting places that have high levels of trespassers) and just sit in the office and wait for a shout due to how long it takes to get to places due to traffic. Some MOMs have to have BTP with them because of anti social behaviour. As mentioned, some MOMs don’t do any signalling whereas some do. Some MOMs have massive areas whereas some have a quarter of the trains and a much smaller area. There was a recent debate about how much MOMs should be paid. It’s Grade 7 around the board, but should you be a G7 if you’re in an area that’s controlled by signallers on G9?
Exactly, and it’s very difficult for a trainee MOM to COSS for a group of people due to the trust it takes. And it’s very hard to just ring up and take a line blockage due to how busy the network is right now. So having those competencies is really helpful.
Bare in mind, a workstation looks completely different to how it looks on the ground. If you’ve done track inspections you know the area too, just from a different perspective. I know of signallers and PWAY, OHL and S&T who have become MOMs. All of those use safety critical comms :)
Yeah i take your point and yes I know my section very well but we only cover so much and our MOMs do cover a wider scope. And taking line blocks and setting up a safe system of work is a day to day for us. With our work as well it’s a really busy section we have I have done on call and attend sheep on line from control and more. Thanks again John & dunnideer
 
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Thanks for clarifying - I thought everything you mentioned would be handled by BTP haha
In instances such as trespassers the BTP would also attend but the Mom would also attend and if there first or requested by Network Rail would also escort the officers lineside.

It’s also quite important for many instances to give some railway expertise for instances and pushback/management of emergency services at such incidents.
 
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