My idea for increasing EMT reliability by ending hire-outs

[Qwerty133]

Considering they are currently suffering from major stock shortages to the extent of cancelling services EMT should not be lending out any stock.

 

[43096]

How impressive. Shame they are cancelling their own services due to a lack of stock being in the right place.

Which services are they cancelling?

 

[PHILIPE]

Considering they are currently suffering from major stock shortages to the extent of cancelling services EMT should not be lending out any stock.

It's only during stand down time so no impact on EMT services. Oh, and by the way, EMT would be making some money out of it.

 

[Qwerty133]

Which services are they cancelling?

Various local services. Also been a couple of London services cancelled in the last week.
Even last Sunday (when they were running only half the normal service level) multiple trains were short formed to the extent of leaving people behind.

 

[43096]

Various local services. Also been a couple of London services cancelled in the last week.
Even last Sunday (when they were running only half the normal service level) multiple trains were short formed to the extent of leaving people behind.

How does an HST set at Cricklewood between the peaks help with running local services? It doesn't, doubly so when there only a limited number of local crews that sign HSTs.

 

[Qwerty133]

How does an HST set at Cricklewood between the peaks help with running local services? It doesn't, doubly so when there only a limited number of local crews that sign HSTs.

Ending the hire out reduces the milage and could quite possibly give each HST an extra day in service between services giving higher availability for their own services including the diagram that seems to be replaced by a 4 coach 222 more often than not including on days where the 222 is meant to be working local services.

 

[43096]

Ending the hire out reduces the milage and could quite possibly give each HST an extra day in service between services giving higher availability for their own services including the diagram that seems to be replaced by a 4 coach 222 more often than not including on days where the 222 is meant to be working local services.

I think you are rather clutching at straws by using words like "could" and "possibly". EMT HST maintenance is planned round a rotation of sets where the heavier maintenance is done when the set is stopped for a week-long exam. So at any one time, from the nine sets there will be 8 in traffic and one on the exam for the week. Hiring the set out does not affect that cycle.

The bottom line is that EMT are not hiring sets out to the detriment of their own services.

 

[Qwerty133]

I think you are rather clutching at straws by using words like "could" and "possibly". EMT HST maintenance is planned round a rotation of sets where the heavier maintenance is done when the set is stopped for a week-long exam. So at any one time, from the nine sets there will be 8 in traffic and one on the exam for the week. Hiring the set out does not affect that cycle.

The bottom line is that EMT are not hiring sets out to the detriment of their own services.

I can only assume that you are ignoring the fact that the EMT HSTs are currently failing at a rate that means at least one HST diagram needs to be covered by a 222 most days?
Otherwise you are suggesting that additional milage doesn't increase the probability of a unit failing which is complete nonsense. EMT simply do not have the capacity to allow their units to do anything that increases the probability of them needing unplanned maintenance which the hire-out unquestionably does (especially as it requires the units to do sustained periods of 125 running something that the units have never had to do in over 30 years in service).

 

[cactustwirly]

Hopefully they don't hire them out on a Sunday, as the MML Sunday timetable requires all 8 sets!

 

[cactustwirly]

How does an HST set at Cricklewood between the peaks help with running local services? It doesn't, doubly so when there only a limited number of local crews that sign HSTs.

However it could be used to cover for a failed London service....

 

[Qwerty133]

The problem on a Sunday for EMT is that only the HSTS and 5 coach meridians are suitable for use as 4 standard class coaches is far from sufficient on any service. Why on earth the 7 coach 222s still have 3 coaches of first for an average occupancy of 3 outside of peak times (unless its one of the few services offering cheap advances) is beyond me.

 

[cactustwirly]

The problem on a Sunday for EMT is that only the HSTS and 5 coach meridians are suitable for use as 4 standard class coaches is far from sufficient on any service. Why on earth the 7 coach 222s still have 3 coaches of first for an average occupancy of 3 outside of peak times (unless its one of the few services offering cheap advances) is beyond me.

Yes! And the Sunday services are really busy!

 

[43096]

Otherwise you are suggesting that additional milage doesn't increase the probability of a unit failing which is complete nonsense. EMT simply do not have the capacity to allow their units to do anything that increases the probability of them needing unplanned maintenance which the hire-out unquestionably does (especially as it requires the units to do sustained periods of 125 running something that the units have never had to do in over 30 years in service).

Best just leave the trains sat on the depot and never use them! They'll never fail then.

Obviously you are a disgruntled passenger, for whatever reason. Fine. But it is pointless trying to debate with you as you won't believe it any way.

 

[TheBigD]

I think there's a reduced service on the MML today with trains using the slow lines Kettering-Bedford hence being able to hire an extra set to LNER for a Leeds-Edinburgh-Kings Cross-Lincoln diagram.

 

[cactustwirly]

I think there's a reduced service on the MML today with trains using the slow lines Kettering-Bedford hence being able to hire an extra set to LNER for a Leeds-Edinburgh-Kings Cross-Lincoln diagram.

No it's the usual Sunday timetable! The reduced service on Sundays means that the Meridians don't have enough seating capacity, hence why EMT use all of their HSTs on a Sunday

 

[TheBigD]

No it's the usual Sunday timetable! The reduced service on Sundays means that the Meridians don't have enough seating capacity, hence why EMT use all of their HSTs on a Sunday

Having checked there is a vastly reduced service on the MML today. Wellingborough to Bedford fast lines are under possession and a reduced service operating via the slow lines. The normal 4 trains an hour to/from St Pancras that normally operates from mid afternoon has been reduced by over 50% to just 2 an hour or less with some 75+minute gaps. The morning service was also reduced from 2 an hour to just 1 an hour.

 

[robbeech]

Having checked there is a vastly reduced service on the MML today. Wellingborough to Bedford fast lines are under possession and a reduced service operating via the slow lines. The normal 4 trains an hour to/from St Pancras that normally operates from mid afternoon has been reduced by over 50% to just 2 an hour or less with some 75+minute gaps. The morning service was also reduced from 2 an hour to just 1 an hour.

Beat me to it. Significantly reduced service particularly this evening.

 

[Qwerty133]

Having checked there is a vastly reduced service on the MML today. Wellingborough to Bedford fast lines are under possession and a reduced service operating via the slow lines. The normal 4 trains an hour to/from St Pancras that normally operates from mid afternoon has been reduced by over 50% to just 2 an hour or less with some 75+minute gaps. The morning service was also reduced from 2 an hour to just 1 an hour.

And even half of what was meant to run didn't due to various faults leaving trains out of place...