My ideas for Manchester Mayfield's Future

[mister-sparky]

but I'm thinking joined with Manchester Victoria, with the HS2 terminal station being to the south-west of the existing station. Ample sites are available either north or south of the existing track, heading out through Salford Central, then tracking a curve that slips into the existing line that runs parallel to the M602 - this spur would be 250kph, heading out to a main north-south 360-400kph route that I've suggested in the NW Station thread.

ie the old Manchester Exchange site?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I'm sure there's a way round it being "on the wrong side"; the south side isn't all that deserted is it?

That side of Piccadilly railway station is the one that has the MacDonald hotel on the London Road elevation, but the area behind this that goes backwards to the Mayfield Station site, towards the Fairfield Street and Temperance Street areas that carry the railway viaduct are scheduled for light industrial usage, not being the type of area to compete with the more obvious city centre environment and even more so, where good quality retail establishments would never consider siting new premises. It is more an area where Poundworld, Poundland, Pound Empire and the like would possibly consider as a likely site, which would then also attract the usual number of fast food takeaway establishments of all nationalities, thus giving the usual inner-city degradation ambiance that is so often seen on the periphery of such areas.

 

[PR1Berske]

visit the HS2 North West thread, where you can see specific reference (and supporting evidence) to the role of HS2 in connecting UK provincial cities to near mainland European destinations - short answer to your rhetorical question, at this juncture, is YES - let's put it like this - direct connecting services to the European mainland are highly symbolic - without those services, the current support, which spreads across the political spectrum, for HS2 in the Northern peripheries, will fall off a cliff!
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errrrr......it might also just be that MacDonald Hotels were extremely prescient (or were given advance inside info?) and had that very same proximity in mind when they took over the site and spent millions refurbishing the building - think about the rebuild of St. Pancras as the HS1 terminus, which was in part financed by the creation of new upmarket hotel facilities in the building forming part of the station itself?

I've seen the potential maps from Network Rail for the Ordsall Curve, and I'm as doubtful now as I've ever been that the new track will squeeze between the viaduct and the Hotel.

 

[snail]

It is more an area where Poundworld, Poundland, Pound Empire and the like would possibly consider as a likely site, which would then also attract the usual number of fast food takeaway establishments of all nationalities, thus giving the usual inner-city degradation ambiance that is so often seen on the periphery of such areas.

I think those businesses like to feed off mainstream retail. But you have forgotten the main business that takes place between the MacDonald and Mayfield. Or have you never stood on Platform 14 waiting for a train looking out at the ladies touting for business on the street corners?
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I've seen the potential maps from Network Rail for the Ordsall Curve, and I'm as doubtful now as I've ever been that the new track will squeeze between the viaduct and the Hotel.

What's that got to do with reusing Mayfield?

 

[Haydn1971]

ie the old Manchester Exchange site?

No idea where that is :-/

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

No idea where that is :-/

What a comment to make about the more northerly of the two flagship stations in Manchester of the London and North Western Railway, but you are to be forgiven noting your stated Yorkshire heritage. On the other bank of the River Irwell it proudly stood, resplendent with its Italianate facade, opposite to Manchester Cathedral. It achieved fame of a sort when conjoined to Manchester Victoria station by the famously-long platform 11.

 

[Howardh]

No-one mentioned using it as a bus station?

The major bus stations are at Picc Gardens and Shudehill. It would be nice to leave a train and get the bus without getting wet.

 

[route:oxford]

Is it permissable to "move" the 4*400 metre HS2 platforms into Piccadilly itself, then have Mayfield host the heritage local terminating services?

I'm told that in some parts of the UK there are "flyovers" or "flyunders" that permit a service to cross lines without fouling them.

 

[Haydn1971]

but you are to be forgiven noting your stated Yorkshire heritage.

Thank you kind squire

Although I was born, raised and currently live it what is now Sheffield, I often proclaim to be from the Socialist Republic of North East Derbyshire - AKA Mosborough Townships
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Is it permissable to "move" the 4*400 metre HS2 platforms into Piccadilly itself, then have Mayfield host the heritage local terminating services?

Not a bad idea in itself, with a big refurb and extension of the main station either southwest or north east. But conflicts with my hypothesis that the main HS2 line will pass west of Manchester and the more I discuss it, the more likely it is to have a mainline station near Manchester Airport as well as Manchester Central
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Ok, having buffed up on my Manchester stuff and nonsense, yes, I feel Manchester Exchange is the perfect place for a terminal HS2 station for the Greater Manchester area.

Perfect !

 

[dggar]

No idea where that is :-/

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/m/manchester_exchange/index.shtml

http://manchesterhistory.net/manchester/tours/tour3/area3page12.html

Try these sites

 

[ainsworth74]

I'm told that in some parts of the UK there are "flyovers" or "flyunders" that permit a service to cross lines without fouling them.

I'm not sure there would be room for either of those without some really excessive gradients.

 

[Bevan Price]

Manchester Mayfield was built to relieve an overcrowded Manchester London Road (as it then was, now called Piccadilly), at a time when it had fewer platforms in the main train shed (only 9, I believe), and before the invention of multiple units. Hence, turnrounds required additional loco and / or shunting movements, and took much longer than is possible with units.

Now, with extra platforms at Piccadilly, and easier / quicker turnrounds feasible, Mayfield serves no useful purpose for current domestic services. Whether or not the site can be used for HS2 remains to be seen, but if so, the entire site and approach route will probably be cleared and replaced by a totally new station and alignment.

As (in my opinion) Mayfield has little architectural merit, demolition may be a little sad, but is probably inevitable.

 

[ANorthernGuard]

What a comment to make about the more northerly of the two flagship stations in Manchester of the London and North Western Railway, but you are to be forgiven noting your stated Yorkshire heritage. On the other bank of the River Irwell it proudly stood, resplendent with its Italianate facade, opposite to Manchester Cathedral. It achieved fame of a sort when conjoined to Manchester Victoria station by the famously-long platform 11.

look for the footbridge when leaving Victoria towards Salford on your left, That used to be inside Exchange