I'm not wishing it, but I think it will last longer.
I suspect you are correct. They really have it in for us.
I'm not wishing it, but I think it will last longer.
It's frustrating to hear people blurt out 'lockdown' as a necessity as if it is a perfectly normal action that would be taken by a western liberal democratic nation such as this. The untold impact of that word on daily life... Words from government about 'sacrifice' from BoJo, Whitty and Valance are plain worthless now.
Seems to me people are not giving a hoot these days as everyone is fed up (well near me anyway) so Boris will read the riot act (so to speak).
The stats are highly unreliable though due to a lot of inquest delays - it's going to be a while before the accurate stats are available.
The concept has been normalised in less than a year - if you had suggested it this time last year, you would have been considered mad. That in itself is, for me, far more terrifying than the specifics.
Just found it - as far as I remember, govt. used it for a few weeks before it seemed to disappearThe BBC have dug out the Level 5 alert graphic...remember when that was a thing?!
Possibilities include:Just what other restrictions can be put in place? tier 4 is lockdown, stay at home, leave only for exercise etc
Could not agree more. Imagine saying the following sentence on 4th January 2020 "We need to legislate to close businesses, suspend education and organised gatherings, close all leisure facilities and stop you from spending time with anyone not in your household for an indefinite period. This is due to a virus"
Well if you have looked at Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court perhaps you can tell me which of the specified actions that constitute a crime against humanity our PM, or for that matter any leader in the Western World has committed over the handling of the Covid crisis.It's good that people are being helped, and therefore not killing themselves, but they should never be put in the situation where they need help. I've said it before and I've said it again, Boris and co deserve to be charged with crimes against humanity. It'll never happen, but it would be great to see that awful man stood in a courtroom in The Hague, having the charges against him read out.
When have they let that get in their way?Closure of education. Possibly even a curfew though I cannot see how that can be fair or workable, or make any difference.
Well if you have looked at Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court perhaps you can tell me which of the specified actions that constitute a crime against humanity our PM, or for that matter any leader in the Western World has committed over the handling of the Covid crisis.
The only one that could vaguely be used is "Other inhumane acts" and I would love to hear your legal argument for how protecting the lives of your population fails that test.
would love to hear your legal argument for how protecting the lives of your population fails that test.
Closing schools, universities and places of worship. Plus a heavy dose of fear.
Possibilities include:
For the avoidance of doubt I am not advocating any of these nor even suggesting they would work, but there is still a considerable amount of available interventions.
- Closure of schools
- working from home required by law unless impossible/on a list of approved occupations
- increased controls on international arrivals
- extension of mask requirements (offices, outdoors, etc.)
- road checkpoints
- multiple adults not allowed to shop together
- overnight curfews
- closing places of worship
- 3 mile limit of travel from your home
- increase to penalties for breaches
- Close zoos
- no going out for recreation, only exercise
- walk-up takeaway food and drink banned, only drive thru or delivery
- non-essential goods by click & collect banned, only delivery
- alcohol and/or tobacco banned or restricted
- exercise limited to once per day
- no travel to other places for exercise; exercise must start and finish at your home
- non-emergency work in people’s homes banned, e.g. no home improvement, Sky installation etc.
- support groups banned
- children’s organised sports banned
- support bubbles abolished or limited
I think the measures for England will be similar to those for Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales.
Latest BBC update now mentions that parliament will be recalled on Wednesday this week to allow MPs to vote on any additional restrictions
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55534999
I don't think technically it does no. I think the "emergency" legislation allows changes to the laws without a parliamentary vote. However he has since committed to holding a vote on any changes where possible, but it isn't required and the exact criteria of when a vote will or will not take place has not been set out as far as I know.Can anybody confirm whether or not 'tinkering' with the tier 4 restrictions requires such a vote?
Anything that involves making new Regulations under the 1984 Act requires a Parliamentary vote within 28 days.Can anybody confirm whether or not 'tinkering' with the tier 4 restrictions requires such a vote?
Edit: I don't think there was a vote before T4 was introduced, in fact
I don't think technically it does no. I think the "emergency" legislation allows changes to the laws without a parliamentary vote. However he has since committed to holding a vote on any changes where possible, but it isn't required and the exact criteria of when a vote will or will not take place has not been set out as far as I know.
Edit: I don't think there was a vote before T4 was introduced, in fact
Anything that involves making new Regulations under the 1984 Act requires a Parliamentary vote within 28 days.
Of course in a situation as fast-changing as this, that gives the PM the power to effectively side-line Parliament. He can make superseding Regulations before the existing ones have been voted on. Or he can simply make an identical SI anew, even if it has been voted down in a different guise.
In any case, for the House not to rubber-stamp whatever is put before them would be to break with decades of precedent.
It would also be arithmetically improbable given the pro-restrictions stance of most of the two major parties. Such a possibility can almost certainly be ruled out.
Given that the Regulation's list of such excuses is non-exhaustive, it is far from certain that removing an activity from the list automatically means it's no longer reasonable.As ever the key will be what is in the Regulations. There will be a list of "reasonable excuses" for which you are allowed to leave your home. It will be interesting to see how they differ from the current Tier 4 list of "reasonable excuses".
It is nice to see a sensible discussion, unlike my town facebook group where, egged on by some members of a certain opposition party they are working each other up into a state of mass hysteria and denouncing anyone who dosen't agree with them.
How many people have been accused of being 'Granny Killers' and terrible people because they want to 'Let it Rip'? Those seem to be the favoured insults of the more paranoid type of Locktivist.
There is some irony of you doing the same though ("locktivist" and some of other similar terms thrown around in these threads).How many people have been accused of being 'Granny Killers' and terrible people because they want to 'Let it Rip'? Those seem to be the favoured insults of the more paranoid type of Locktivist.
Curfew would seem pretty pointless this time of the year but some EU countries have used it and in some French departments they've just amended from 8PM to 6PM so they must see it as beneficial.Closure of education. Possibly even a curfew though I cannot see how that can be fair or workable, or make any difference.
Let see if the CRG lot really are serious about this ongoing affrontary to our civil liberties or whether they all slither away and leave Swayne as the only person prepared to speak out now.Latest BBC update now mentions that parliament will be recalled on Wednesday this week to allow MPs to vote on any additional restrictions
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55534999