New EMR service 2141 Manchester to Nottingham

[jfollows]

1L20 via Stockport again tonight, not surprisingly, I'll look for the timetable to be updated to reflect this in due course!

 

[Llandudno]

1L20 via Stockport again tonight, not surprisingly, I'll look for the timetable to be updated to reflect this in due course!

As the train is scheduled to run non stop between Manchester Piccadilly and Sheffield, I don’t suppose it makes much, if any difference to the public timetable, shame it doesn’t stop at Stockport like all the other fast trains though.

 

[jfollows]

Although I imagine 1L20 will have been travelling via Stockport ever since the second day of the new timetable, I thought I'd observe that it's booked in the working timetable to go via Stockport (without calling) from 21 June (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C95389/2021-06-21/detailed). UFL out of Piccadilly, then USL at Slade Lane Junction; it passes New Mills South Junction at 22:03 from where it can be followed by 2S38 at 22:07 (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L09711/2021-06-21/detailed) which can wait for it there on the Up Romiley.

EDIT 2K14 21:43 Manchester-Stoke (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L08562/2021-06-14/detailed) is adjusted to be 2K14 21:44 Manchester-Stoke (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L08562/2021-06-21/detailed) to allow the timetable revision - presumably 3 minute headways on the UFL out of Piccadilly. 2K14 just has 1 minute of pathing allowance removed from its old timetable so is still booked to arrive and depart at/from Stockport at 21:55/21:57 as before.

FURTHER EDIT: 2D59 21:40 Manchester Piccadilly to Chester (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G56001/2021-06-14/detailed#allox_id=0) also has to change to be 2D59 21:38 Manchester Piccadilly to Chester (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G56001/2021-06-21/detailed) since it also uses the UFL out of Manchester and presumably minimum 3 minute headways are required over this line in the timetable. 2D59 runs 2 minutes earlier to Stockport, using the UFL after Slade Lane Junction, and then resumes its original schedule with a 21:52 departure from Stockport.
Clearly the change to 2D59 has to be advertised, lest people continue to turn up for its previous 21:40 departure time and miss it after 21 June.

So we end up with

2D59 platform 6 21:38 FL-FL (FL to Slade Lane Junction, FL from Slade Lane Junction)
1L20 platform 4 21:41 FL-SL
2K14 platform 11 21:44 FL-FL
2H06 platform 13 21:44 SL-SL (20:25 Blackpool North to Hazel Grove)

 

[Llandudno]

Although I imagine 1L20 will have been travelling via Stockport ever since the second day of the new timetable, I thought I'd observe that it's booked in the working timetable to go via Stockport (without calling) from 21 June (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C95389/2021-06-21/detailed). UFL out of Piccadilly, then USL at Slade Lane Junction; it passes New Mills South Junction at 22:03 from where it can be followed by 2S38 at 22:07 (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L09711/2021-06-21/detailed) which can wait for it there on the Up Romiley.

EDIT 2K14 21:43 Manchester-Stoke (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L08562/2021-06-14/detailed) is adjusted to be 2K14 21:44 Manchester-Stoke (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L08562/2021-06-21/detailed) to allow the timetable revision - presumably 3 minute headways on the UFL out of Piccadilly. 2K14 just has 1 minute of pathing allowance removed from its old timetable so is still booked to arrive and depart at/from Stockport at 21:55/21:57 as before.

I presume that the 4 minute gap in trains at New Mills South Junction is too tight to allow the 2141 Manchester to Nottingham to call at Stockport?

 

[jfollows]

I presume that the 4 minute gap in trains at New Mills South Junction is too tight to allow the 2141 Manchester to Nottingham to call at Stockport?

My feeling is that, because it's not currently advertised to call at Stockport, the preference is to continue with this in case something happens in future (such as converting the Up Goods Loop at New Mills South Junction to passenger use) which then allows the service to revert to its formerly-timetabled route.

EDIT In the past I'd have said that it would be inconvenient to update the public timetable to show the additional stop, but given that the 21:43 departure from Piccadilly changes in the public timetable as well as the working timetable to 21:44 from 21 June, this no longer seems to be a major impediment to making changes. Of course, this particular change is trivial, but it's interesting that it's not implemented as a 21p44 departure in the working timetable, which would need no change to the public departure time (EDIT per abbreviations in the working timetable noted in the attachment).

Could a solution be for the new 1L41 21:41 Manchester Piccadilly to Nottingham operate via Stockport hence being able to get in front of the stopper across the Hope Valley; and 5L54, 21:59 Liverpool Lime Street to Nottingham ECS which currently runs via Stockport operate via Marple for driver route retention?

A very good point, and this is what seems to have been implemented.
5L54 currently goes via Stockport as you say until June 18th. according to the timetable (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C18953/2021-06-18/detailed) and in fact (last night, Friday 4 June anyway) (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C18953/2021-06-04/detailed)

From June 21st. it's rerouted via Romiley and Marple (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C18953/2021-06-21/detailed)

 

[Llandudno]

My feeling is that, because it's not currently advertised to call at Stockport, the preference is to continue with this in case something happens in future (such as converting the Up Goods Loop at New Mills South Junction to passenger use) which then allows the service to revert to its formerly-timetabled route.

EDIT In the past I'd have said that it would be inconvenient to update the public timetable to show the additional stop, but given that the 21:43 departure from Piccadilly changes in the public timetable as well as the working timetable to 21:44 from 21 June, this no longer seems to be a major impediment to making changes. Of course, this particular change is trivial, but it's interesting that it's not implemented as a 21p44 departure in the working timetable, which would need no change to the public departure time (EDIT per abbreviations in the working timetable noted in the attachment).

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A very good point, and this is what seems to have been implemented.
5L54 currently goes via Stockport as you say until June 18th. according to the timetable (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C18953/2021-06-18/detailed) and in fact (last night, Friday 4 June anyway) (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C18953/2021-06-04/detailed)

From June 21st. it's rerouted via Romiley and Marple (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C18953/2021-06-21/detailed)

Shame that the 2159 ECS Liverpool to Nottingham doesn’t run in service, even if it only calls at limited stations such as Warrington, Oxford Road, Piccadilly, Chesterfield, Nottingham.

 

[Watershed]

I presume that the 4 minute gap in trains at New Mills South Junction is too tight to allow the 2141 Manchester to Nottingham to call at Stockport?

I haven't got the exact timings to hand but I suspect a 1 minute call at Stockport would probably fit in, given there are 2 minutes of pathing between Hazel Grove H.L. Jn and New Mills South Jn.

I am sure there are good reasons that EMR did not put the call in.

 

[Johnny Lewis]

This train is one that EMR is pulling temporarily because they can't resource their full Regional timetable at the moment.

 

[Jamesrob637]

I've seen an unhealthy amount of 2-car EMRs around Manchester this week too.