New Mills Central landslip - 6 week closure

[Bletchleyite]

While it's borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, worth sending one of the Rose Hills via Brinnington/Bredbury? That was always the busier route.

People from Marple itself will probably just drive up to Rose Hill, and Romiley has both of course.

 

[Purple Train]

While it's borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, worth sending one of the Rose Hills via Brinnington/Bredbury? That was always the busier route.

People from Marple itself will probably just drive up to Rose Hill, and Romiley has both of course.

Given both Hyde stations are reasonably close to stations on the Glossop line, that strikes me as fairly reasonable.

 

[tpc]

Did this particular train really run past New Mills Central?

Sure did, I was driving it. At caution between Strines and New Mills. Everything following went via Hazel Grove as pilotman was brought in for the new Mills service around 8am.

 

[plugwash]

realtimetrains claims that both the 06:40 (mentioned earlier in this thread) and the 07:48 from picadilly went via Marple.

Realtime Trains | 2S72 0748 Manchester Piccadilly to Sheffield | 26/03/2024

Real-time train running information for 2S72 0748 departure from Manchester Piccadilly to Sheffield on 26/03/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Is that wrong?

 

[MCR247]

realtimetrains claims that both the 06:40 (mentioned earlier in this thread) and the 07:48 from picadilly went via Marple.

Realtime Trains | 2S72 0748 Manchester Piccadilly to Sheffield | 26/03/2024

Real-time train running information for 2S72 0748 departure from Manchester Piccadilly to Sheffield on 26/03/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Is that wrong?

The previous posts should answer that

 

[tpc]

realtimetrains claims that both the 06:40 (mentioned earlier in this thread) and the 07:48 from picadilly went via Marple.

Realtime Trains | 2S72 0748 Manchester Piccadilly to Sheffield | 26/03/2024

Real-time train running information for 2S72 0748 departure from Manchester Piccadilly to Sheffield on 26/03/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Is that wrong?

That is probably correct then, I wasn't aware the 7.48 managed to sneak through before the single line working started

 

[RaymondT]

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility to terminate the New Mills trains at Chinley instead of having a bus service between the two?

 

[CaptainHaddock]

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility to terminate the New Mills trains at Chinley instead of having a bus service between the two?

Doubtful; it would get in the way of EMR and TPE's fast trains.

 

[1D53]

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility to terminate the New Mills trains at Chinley instead of having a bus service between the two?

The Single Line Working would be unfeasible.

 

[175001]

Easier to keep it SLW from Marple to NM as it'll be self contained and won't affect any other line

 

[al78]

I've never known so much rain as the last year or so. Climate change is just adding more and more problems, ironically to the mode that's best placed to reduce it.

March 2023 to February 2024 was the fourth wettest 12 month period on record for England and Wales, records go back to 1765. March has also been a wet month. I cannot remember such a prolonged period with the jet stream anomalously placed south of its normal position. Scotland has been much drier relative to climatology over the same period.

 

[stra200]

Is it possible to claim delay repay for unplanned engineering works like this?

I have to use the Chinley replacement bus as I travel on a Derbyshire Wayfarer from on the Northern Nottingham - Sheffield line (£15.40 instead of £29) so every journey is now going to be 45 mins longer (the journey is already frustrating enough due to the normal 1hr wait in Shef both directions).

I'm guessing there is no leniency with taking the Shef to Stockport then back out to Newtown option (£40) on a wayfarer considering the circumstances? This route is only 15 minutes longer, even with the walk

 

[Bletchleyite]

Is it possible to claim delay repay for unplanned engineering works like this?

Sadly not, Delay Repay is based on the timetable of the day. (In effect P-coded cancellations don't count).

 

[yorkie]

Is it possible to claim delay repay for unplanned engineering works like this?

Statutory delay compensation is based on when you purchased the ticket, thus forming the contract.

However some TOCs take the view that the enhanced amounts payable under Delay Repay only apply if they haven't removed the trains from the timetable.

 

[Class 170101]

I've never known so many landslips and sinkholes in my 21 years on the railway.....

No indeed neither have I. I do woner if NR have enough staff to deal with all of them mind, currently four on the go now, Grange Over Sands, Telford, Pontefract and New Mills.

The north west has had 145% of average annual rainfall over the past 6 months, February was 175% above average. Elsewhere has been even more above average, with the East seeing 283% of average rainfall in February

But what does that actually mean in absolute terms (numbers versus percentages)

300% of 10mm would be insignificant but 300% of 100mm would be newsworthy. BBC Weather are just as bad for using that.

 

[185]

Five years from Network Rail's tree-a-geddon / rail adhesion improvement exercise

I've never known so many landslips and sinkholes in my 21 years on the railway.....

the roots are now totally rotten and the whole muddy pile is falling down

 

[Geeves]

And the answer is that they should not have ever let the trees grow out of everywhere (and everything) in the first place.

 

[Killingworth]

And the answer is that they should not have ever let the trees grow out of everywhere (and everything) in the first place.

Clever things trees, they'll takeover anywhere and everywhere if given the opportunity.

But returning to New Mills. Have I missed a picture of the damage that requires 6 weeks to resolve? Landslide, land slip, subsidence are all more likely in very wet conditions like we've experienced this winter.

The Snake Pass on the A57 is currently restricted to lighter vehicles with traffic lights in 2 places. There has been one major slip where the outer carriageway has gone completely. On the second the outer carriageway is starting to subside. This is in addition to all the major undulations from many previous incidents where repairs have had to be made.

 

[M&NEJ]

Have I missed a picture of the damage that requires 6 weeks to resolve?

Same question from me!
Has anyone got any juicy photos to post here? - I don't know this particular line so I'm just very interested, thanks.

 

[Freightmaster]

The Snake Pass on the A57 is currently restricted to lighter vehicles with traffic lights in 2 places. There has been one major slip where the outer carriageway has gone completely. On the second the outer carriageway is starting to subside. This is in addition to all the major undulations from many previous incidents where repairs have had to be made.

If that carries on unchecked, will it eventually end up like this...?

The road that slid away

The A625 used to cross the Peak District - then nature got involved. Now the slopes of Mam Tor are accessible only on foot.

www.roads.org.uk

...or will money be found to keep shoring it up?




MARK

 

[mandub]

You couldn't take any photos really without walking the track from NMC.
The down line visibly dips and leans to the left towards the valley below. As you go over the section the train leans over to the left quite noticeably.

 

[175001]

Other than this on a New Mills Facebook page, there isn't any juicy photos as you wanted because traffic has been stopped on the line before it was too late.

 

[Killingworth]

Other than this on a New Mills Facebook page, there isn't any juicy photos as you wanted because traffic has been stopped on the line before it was too late.

A lesser example of what is happening all the time on the Snake (and even more so below Mam Tor) but you'd never run a railway there! They serve aa examples of how difficult it is to maintain an undulating road let alone a flat railway.

 

[realemil]

Edit: wrong thread, im silly!

 

[skyhigh]

No indeed neither have I. I do woner if NR have enough staff to deal with all of them mind, currently four on the go now, Grange Over Sands, Telford, Pontefract and New Mills.

At least 5, Baildon is also still ongoing.

The latest update appears that the line is shut until June, 3 months away, with houses being demolished.

Two homes in Baildon to be demolished due to railway landslip

The houses by the railway line in Baildon are now structurally unsafe, according to Network Rail.

www.bbc.co.uk

That is Baildon, which is nowhere near to New Mills.

 

[realemil]

That is Baildon, which is nowhere near to New Mills.

yup, realised that right after posting it... too tired ahaha

 

[M&NEJ]

Other than this on a New Mills Facebook page, there isn't any juicy photos as you wanted because traffic has been stopped on the line before it was too late.

Thank you! That juicy picture clarifies it greatly to my mind!

 

[175001]

I've seen a photo of the rail profile since Monday and it isn't pretty but thankfully closed before a catastrophic failure occurred.

 

[ChrisC]

March 2023 to February 2024 was the fourth wettest 12 month period on record for England and Wales, records go back to 1765. March has also been a wet month. I cannot remember such a prolonged period with the jet stream anomalously placed south of its normal position. Scotland has been much drier relative to climatology over the same period.

But returning to New Mills. Have I missed a picture of the damage that requires 6 weeks to resolve? Landslide, land slip, subsidence are all more likely in very wet conditions like we've experienced this winter.

The Snake Pass on the A57 is currently restricted to lighter vehicles with traffic lights in 2 places. There has been one major slip where the outer carriageway has gone completely. On the second the outer carriageway is starting to subside. This is in addition to all the major undulations from many previous incidents where repairs have had to be made.

I’ve just been out this morning cycling along some country lanes near Southwell in Nottinghamshire. After just a few hours of rain overnight there is standing water in the fields and water running off the fields onto the roads. The ground is so saturated and waterlogged that it can’t take any more. This is towards the eastern side of Nottinghamshire, which is normally one of the drier parts of the country, so I can imagine what it is like up in the Derbyshire hills. It all started here with Storm Babet in October and the ground has never dried out enough to absorb any more water since then. Looking at the forecast for the next 2 weeks there is lots of rain forecast with no prolonged period of dry weather in sight.

The recent spate of landslides, sink holes etc on the rail network and roads could very well be a result of cutting down maintenance but I do think it’s also very much a consequence of the the very wet winter. The contrast between very hot dry summers followed by extremely wet winters could also be causing problems of instability. People living in built up areas will find the relentless wet weather an inconvenience and annoyance. However, it is out in the more rural areas with the waterlogged land where the effects can really be seen.

 

[Jamesrob637]

At least give Hazel Grove a temp. service to Sheffield so that people from Marple area can drive there and park.