New South Western franchise: Awarded to First/MTR

[Rick1984]

Regarding the livery.

From Wikipedia the LSWR suburban electrics units were painted

For reasons of style, the units were given a blunt torpedo shaped end with a domed roof at the ends; a new livery was provided, of sage green, with black and yellow lining and mid-brown window mouldings, and the roof was coloured off-white. The width over body was 8 ft 0¾ in (2.46 m), and 8 ft 10¾ in (2.71 m) over handles. An external opal panel was provided at each end of the unit between the motorman's windows, for a stencil plate, a letter indicating the route (which was illuminated at night).

But a variation on the LWSR carriage livery would certainly be different:

If the logo is anything to go by though it will just be a maroon version of the GWR livery, which would be smart if not overly exciting

 

[Firesprite]

Regarding the livery.

From Wikipedia the LSWR suburban electrics units were painted


But a variation on the LWSR carriage livery would certainly be different:

If the logo is anything to go by though it will just be a maroon version of the GWR livery, which would be smart if not overly exciting

Maroon was the original colour of the London & South Western Railway livery

As this painting of Beattie L&SWR 2-4-0 No. 126 "Dane," shows

 

[infobleep]

TOC to be known as London & South Western Railway by all reports.

That is good news of you ask me. It seem as if First like the old names from the past. I happen to like them too.

Now if only they could extend as far west as the LSWR went by 1921. One can but dream.

I only recently got a 1921 Hints for Holidays book by London & South Western Railway.

 

[BananaRepublic]

The original GWR's carriages were not green, or even very dark green, as in the case of the present day GWR's stock.
So why would anyone assume that the new LSWR livery will mimic that of the original LSWR?

 

[Wookiee]

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[Rick1984]

Might be closer to Indian Red

Would look smart with the same design as GWR. would bring a nice unconformity between the two and we don't have that many red liveries

 

[Tom m]

Anyone know if there is a company website setup yet? Had a search of the internet but not found much other than links to the various news articles

 

[jcc]

It could be fake, but it looks plausible...

It's fake, an April Fools joke. I first saw it on this forum. http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2948187&postcount=123

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I only recently got a 1921 Hints for Holidays book by London & South Western Railway.

The colour and the logo design of the 1921 brochure clearly influenced the new logo (if it's not fake).

 

[Paul180]

Could they be using the same colour that they have been reprinting the stations over the past year I think it is a maroon / Burgundy colour?

 

[JaJaWa]

I'm predicting London South Western.

 

[southern442]

I'm predicting London South Western.

What about just 'South Western'? I personally think the 'London' part is a bit clunky.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

When the 442s start to return, will all the links that sign Waterloo-Portsmouth have to do the full traction course? There must be some drivers who sign the route who will have never driven 442s

 

[smoky_bacon]

As an SWT employee I hope both the name LSWR and the logo are fake. The latter because it's a graphically incorrect copy of GWR and the former because it's simply too long in my opinion, although I can see why many would like it and how it might feel kind of sentimental. I would prefer something simple with max 3 letters in abbreviation - already mentioned here South Western sounds OK, wouldn't mind London South Western.

 

[Suraggu]

From closer inspection the type face of GWR and LSWR is different. The R on the GWR is thicker and more stubby than the one on the LSWR. The W on the GWR is larger for a reason (part of the brand).

 

[BananaRepublic]

The officially registered company name is "First MTR South Western Trains Limited".

I think it a fairly safe bet that the marketing or brand name will contain the words "South" and "Western".

 

[smoky_bacon]

Who knows, it is Stagecoach South Western Trains Ltd atm and the brand has word "West" not "Western" so they might come up with a small variation as well.

 

[infobleep]

The colour and the logo design of the 1921 brochure clearly influenced the new logo (if it's not fake).

Personally I like it. I do like nostalgia though. Whatever they choose, I hope its done nicely.

 

[theironroad]

When the 442s start to return, will all the links that sign Waterloo-Portsmouth have to do the full traction course? There must be some drivers who sign the route who will have never driven 442s

There will be many drivers whove never signed them as they went about 11 years ago.

Iirc, Waterloo,Wimbledon,Woking,Guildford,Fratton,Northam all sign Waterloo to Portsmouth hbr though not all links at Waterloo or Wimbledon.

I'd be surprised if every depot is going to be trained on them.

 

[theironroad]

Does anyone know for sure if the 'standstill' period is 10 calendar days or 10 working days (2 weeks)?

 

[johnw]

It has to be a fake as First don't use the "transforming travel" anymore. However I would imagine this to be pretty similar to what is will be used unless they waste money using the same design company that came up with the dreadful horrid Transpenie livery.

 

[Matt Taylor]

It is possible that the lower link at Fratton won't sign the 442s for the same reason they don't sign diesels, it's best to keep the newer guys on straightforward Desiro work, although that could cause operational difficulties depending on how many services end up being worked by 442s.

 

[smoky_bacon]

Does anyone know for sure if the 'standstill' period is 10 calendar days or 10 working days (2 weeks)?

Calendar, it ended yesterday so I expect more will be known after this weekend. However nothing is certain as it is a MINIMUM 10 days period.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Calendar, it ended yesterday so I expect more will be known after this weekend. However nothing is certain as it is a MINIMUM 10 days period.

After the 10 days, assuming there is no challenge from Stagecoach there will be some sort of contract signing event when more details will come out.
Some things might still stay under wraps though, until other contracts are signed.
It took First 5 months to confirm its new rolling stock for TPE.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

What's the earliest that the new units could come into service (time the ITT process is run, the construction happens then the testing phase happens)?

 

[infobleep]

After the 10 days, assuming there is no challenge from Stagecoach there will be some sort of contract signing event when more details will come out.
Some things might still stay under wraps though, until other contracts are signed.
It took First 5 months to confirm its new rolling stock for TPE.

Once the 10 days is over, is there anything left to do before they sign or could they simply just sign them today to get it over with, so they can carry on with the next stage.

Would First start doing anything after the 10 days but before the contracts were signed?

 

[Monty]

What's the earliest that the new units could come into service (time the ITT process is run, the construction happens then the testing phase happens)?

2020 at a guess, considering how long it's taken to get the 707s delivered. There is no way the whole fleet will be in service by then and I have no doubt some of the 455/456 & 458 fleet will probably be still in service by the franchises end in 2024.

 

[Bornin1980s]

It has to be a fake as First don't use the "transforming travel" anymore. However I would imagine this to be pretty similar to what is will be used unless they waste money using the same design company that came up with the dreadful horrid Transpenie livery.

Surely the London 2012 like Transpennine livery is still better than the old Firstgroup corporate colours.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

It is possible that the lower link at Fratton won't sign the 442s for the same reason they don't sign diesels, it's best to keep the newer guys on straightforward Desiro work, although that could cause operational difficulties depending on how many services end up being worked by 442s.

Probably be decided by those who have had previous EP & Auto brake experience, which is an ever decreasing number considering the number of retirements that have taken place over the last two or three years.

 

[theironroad]

Probably be decided by those who have had previous EP & Auto brake experience, which is an ever decreasing number considering the number of retirements that have taken place over the last two or three years.

I doubt having had previous experience will make any difference.

Everyone will have to do the full course again, i very much doubt a refresher will be allowed after 10 years away from the traction.