No, only local byelaws. Talking of byelaws, you could be refused travel if your clothing is soiled.Am i right in thinking that there is still a separate law of "urinating in public"?
No, only local byelaws. Talking of byelaws, you could be refused travel if your clothing is soiled.Am i right in thinking that there is still a separate law of "urinating in public"?
No, only local byelaws. Talking of byelaws, you could be refused travel if your clothing is soiled.
Damage to stonework has been a concern in some areas. I don't suppose that those councils had usable public toilets available?Supposedly some Councils have been attempting to prosecute it as littering. Which is a bit dubious for #1, but I can see the point for #2 whether human or dog.
Damage to stonework has been a concern in some areas. I don't suppose that those councils had usable public toilets available?
What was outcome? A fine? Court apparence?There was an item on TV the other day about lorry drivers being cautioned/arrested for having a P (edit: not P as in parking!) in lay-bys. A little harsh if there's no facilities provided I thought. A few years ago during the stack-ups to/from Dover ferry port they were all having to do it as service areas were all closed due to lockdown.
In this country anyone would think relieving oneself was some sort of optional entertainment, not a biological necessity. It defies belief.
What was outcome? A fine? Court apparence?
That's a relief (literally) to hear, I suspect what my policeman m8 was getting at is that an arrest is possible, even likely. I suppose the proving of intent etc would perhaps come later in court?Not true, look at the relevant legislation:
Sexual Offences Act 2003
An Act to make new provision about sexual offences, their prevention and the protection of children from harm from other sexual acts, and for connected purposes.www.legislation.gov.uk
My underlining. The law requires intent to be proven.
There's also the common law offence of "outraging public decency" which doesn't require that the offender intends someone to see it (so long as at least two people do). Discreetly urinating into a bottle is not going to get a conviction on that charge.That's a relief (literally) to hear, I suspect what my policeman m8 was getting at is that an arrest is possible, even likely. I suppose the proving of intent etc would perhaps come later in court?
The various TOCs, must stop at a railway station when there are no toilets working on any train. A suitable station, with toilets, should be chosen by the guard and class it as an 'L' stop.There's also the common law offence of "outraging public decency" which doesn't require that the offender intends someone to see it (so long as at least two people do). Discreetly urinating into a bottle is not going to get a conviction on that charge.
And when no station (with unlocked toilets) exists? On some routes it's easily possible to be an hour between staffed stations.The various TOCs, must stop at a railway station when there are no toilets working on any train. A suitable station, with toilets, should be chosen by the guard and class it as an 'L' stop.
The various TOCs, must stop at a railway station when there are no toilets working on any train. A suitable station, with toilets, should be chosen by the guard and class it as an 'L' stop.
Or even just send stuff from the sink overboard.Dumping sewage onto tracks is horrible for trackworkers. Toilets should of course be serviced and available. But, with my risk assessment head on, perhaps allowing a tank to overflow for the last few hours of a diagram onto hopefully remote tracks that may not be visited by a worker for weeks? vs Punters and carriage cleaners having to deal regularly with train interiors that have been urinated on? Thoughts?
195s already do...Or even just send stuff from the sink overboard.
The various TOCs, must stop at a railway station when there are no toilets working on any train. A suitable station, with toilets, should be chosen by the guard and class it as an 'L' stop.
Only where those faclities exist. You can easily be an hour from an open station toilet.What on earth is an “L” stop?
It’s certainly possible for trains with u/s loos to make stops to access toilet facilities, albeit these are usually just longer dwells at scheduled stops, with passengers requiring them being requested to make themselves known to the guard in advance.
At the very least, retention tanks should have an emergency "dump to track" release under staff control for use in defined circumstances (such as a lengthy stranding).Dumping sewage onto tracks is horrible for trackworkers. Toilets should of course be serviced and available. But, with my risk assessment head on, perhaps allowing a tank to overflow for the last few hours of a diagram onto hopefully remote tracks that may not be visited by a worker for weeks? vs Punters and carriage cleaners having to deal regularly with train interiors that have been urinated on? Thoughts?
Given that raw sewage is legally a biohazard and disposal of such items is very tightly legally controlled that idea is fraught with all sorts of complications. The amount being dumped in one location would be vastly more than the old flush to the tracks toilets. A TOC who permitted it could find themselves facing a very expensive clean up job.At the very least, retention tanks should have an emergency "dump to track" release under staff control for use in defined circumstances (such as a lengthy stranding).
TFW doing the same sending 2-car sets on 3 hour journeys to Manchester with one toilet that locks itself out.The last WBQ to LDS had no working toilet tonight. A journey time of just over two hours.
Completely disgraceful from Northern.
That's what the 701s have. Pity they're not actually in service, but that's for another thread...TFW doing the same sending 2-car sets on 3 hour journeys to Manchester with one toilet that locks itself out.
The solution is retrofitting bioreactor toilets. They becoming proven in Europe and only require water, and empty only water onto the track with the err... compostable brickettes being emptied every two-three months.
The various TOCs, must stop at a railway station when there are no toilets working on any train. A suitable station, with toilets, should be chosen by the guard and class it as an 'L' stop.
L for Loo?There's no "must" about it - TOC's choice.
I'm fairly sure 'L' stop has no meaning.
Still at least the loos at Liverpool Central and Chester won't be so gross any more.
Yes it's disappointing agreed, but they also couldn't stay as they were in either case because they were foul. So hopefully both will be fixed shortly...The new toilets at Liverpool Central are suffering from teething problems (see other thread under Infrastructure & Stations) while those at Moorfields (the old ones at least) are also often closed and even when not, require staff to open them. The toilets on the main Lime Street concourse are the best bet for Wirral Line passengers.
The only toilets currently open at Chester are outside the gate so passengers changing trains have to go through the barriers twice.
Liverpool Central toilets closing 15th Jan for 12 weeks for refurb
Saw this on Facebook a couple of days ago. Not sure if it has reached this forum but posting here in case it hasn't. Not sure how to attach the photo, will give it a try but apologies if it goes wrong... Apparently we are to use James Street or Lime Street if needed! Moorfields seems not...www.railforums.co.uk
I guess that it depends why the toilet is out of order. If the water tank is empty it could be topped up at a station l guess. If the retention tank is full then specialist facilities are required to empty it. If there is another defect then who knows - most likely though is a repair when the unit is back at depot.I was on a Leeds - Manchester Victoria 195 the other afternoon where the toilet was seemingly out of action and the guard sorted out a pit stop at Hebden Bridge for anyone wanting to spend a penny
Even those who didn’t need to spend a penny ended up potentially earning a penny as it then meant a 15 minute delay repay claim
Can the broken toilet be sorted at a larger station (say Leeds) prior to departure or is it a depot job only?