AndyHA
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Do all Southbound, Northern Line services go to Morden ? Or do some turn short elsewhere ?
Many terminate at KenningtonDo all Southbound, Northern Line services go to Morden ? Or do some turn short elsewhere ?
Many terminate at Kennington
No scheduled peak trains, only a few at the extremes of the daySpecifically almost every service that runs via Charing Cross terminates at Kennington, with a handful during the peak continuing to Morden (with just about all Bank trains going to Morden). When the battersea extension opens, they'll continue to there
There is an empty reversing train scheduled on Sunday morningWay back there used to be regular reversals at Tooting Broadway - question for the experts , does the reversing siding still exist ....?
There is an empty reversing train scheduled on Sunday morning
Thanks - scene of a pretty awful buffer end collision many years ago - but a good strategic asset for operational issues. In my day down there living near South Wimbledon , it was sometimes used off the TT plan to recover the service - or part of it when things went pear shaped.
When I used to use the Northern Line between Clapham South & Tooting Broadway on Saturdays (at least a good 6 years ago by now), they were a pretty common occurrence in the afternoonWay back there used to be regular reversals at Tooting Broadway - question for the experts , does the reversing siding still exist ....?
I've never understood why CX trains don't go through to Morden. Seems ridiculous making a trainload of people change at Kennington on a Saturday evening to get to the West End.
TfL website states that the new timetable in Autumn when the Battersea extension opens will see Mill Hill East becoming a through service again, rather interestingly. Battersea will only see 6 trains an hour initially and eventually up to 12 next year which means many trains will still terminate at Kennington (via Charing Cross) which is understandable given no new trains / extra trains have been sourced for the extension.The reason why is the same as why Mill Hill East has had a shuttle for the last decade or more. That is, that in the 2000s the Northern Line was very unreliable for a number of reasons, and the timetable in use at the time was too complex to allow the line to recover easily from disruptions. The timetable was looked at by the same forensic mind who devised the "extended circle", and various features were built in which made the service simpler and easier to recover. These features were all off-peak CX trains terminating at Kennington, Mill Hill shuttle, morning peak northbound services segregated at Camden, slightly reduced frequency, and a few other features which escape my memory. Combined with some attention to the infrastructure, this turned the service from very unreliable to highly dependable. Fast forward a decade and a half, and some of the reliability issues which existed at the time are less of an issue, and with a modern signalling and control system there seems to be confidence in reverting to something a little more ambitious - watch this space, some features from the past may reappear soon!
Although not all of them, when the line opens in Autumn, only 6tph at peak times will go to Battersea, increasing to 12tph from the middle of next year. The off-peak service will be 5tph, increasing to 10tph.When the battersea extension opens, they'll continue to there
The press release about the extension also advises that Mill Hill East will receive direct services for most of the day, as well as an increase in services at the south end of the line for an hour of the morning peak.Fast forward a decade and a half, and some of the reliability issues which existed at the time are less of an issue, and with a modern signalling and control system there seems to be confidence in reverting to something a little more ambitious - watch this space, some features from the past may reappear soon!
Quite interesting that the off-peak service will initially be 5tph - it's quite rare to find tube or rail services that are operating (I assume at even intervals) every 12 minutes. Quite often they're always either every 10 or every 15 but never every 12.Although not all of them, when the line opens in Autumn, only 6tph at peak times will go to Battersea, increasing to 12tph from the middle of next year. The off-peak service will be 5tph, increasing to 10tph.
It might be easier to ask how many of us haven't done it...?!I know it shouldn't be done but I'm still tempted to ride around the Kennington loop.
How many forum members have done this ?
Quite interesting that the off-peak service will initially be 5tph - it's quite rare to find tube or rail services that are operating (I assume at even intervals) every 12 minutes. Quite often they're always either every 10 or every 15 but never every 12.
I know it shouldn't be done but I'm still tempted to ride around the Kennington loop.
How many forum members have done this ?
I know it shouldn't be done but I'm still tempted to ride around the Kennington loop.
How many forum members have done this ?
Trains from the Charing cross branch can go round the Kennington loop and head north, no need to remove passengers, if they don't get off the so be it. trains from bank would have to tip out and have staff check they were empty and reverse via the Kennington siding, this is unsustainable with the current service levels, regardless of the fact that one difficult sleeper who will not leave the train would end up with a service suspension.I've never understood why CX trains don't go through to Morden. Seems ridiculous making a trainload of people change at Kennington on a Saturday evening to get to the West End.
Sounds like the same number as will go through to Battersea, initially at least: i.e. half the Charing Cross service. Personally, I very much doubt the projected 'full' service to Battersea will materialise, certainly at offpeak times. But then the needs of Londoners were not in the minds of the people who insisted this project leapfrog the queue of worthy ones drawn up by TfL planners.How many Charing Cross branch trains will still use the loop ones the extension opens. Not many I should think?
All dependent on how many 95TS trains are available, of course. Given the need to serve the extension, and a higher frequency across the two ”cores”.… and with a modern signalling and control system there seems to be confidence in reverting to something a little more ambitious - watch this space, some features from the past may reappear soon!
The reason why is the same as why Mill Hill East has had a shuttle for the last decade or more. That is, that in the 2000s the Northern Line was very unreliable for a number of reasons, and the timetable in use at the time was too complex to allow the line to recover easily from disruptions. The timetable was looked at by the same forensic mind who devised the "extended circle", and various features were built in which made the service simpler and easier to recover. These features were all off-peak CX trains terminating at Kennington, Mill Hill shuttle, morning peak northbound services segregated at Camden, slightly reduced frequency, and a few other features which escape my memory. Combined with some attention to the infrastructure, this turned the service from very unreliable to highly dependable. Fast forward a decade and a half, and some of the reliability issues which existed at the time are less of an issue, and with a modern signalling and control system there seems to be confidence in reverting to something a little more ambitious - watch this space, some features from the past may reappear soon!
Trains from the Charing cross branch can go round the Kennington loop and head north, no need to remove passengers, if they don't get off the so be it. trains from bank would have to tip out and have staff check they were empty and reverse via the Kennington siding, this is unsustainable with the current service levels, regardless of the fact that one difficult sleeper who will not leave the train would end up with a service suspension.
The reason they have to be tipped out is because the driver has to walk through the train when reversing via the siding but can stay in the cab when going round the loop.
Trains are currently scheduled 6½ mins to traverse the loop, southbound>northboundIf you're travelling, say, Waterloo - Borough, is it quicker to go around the loop to get the cross-platform change on the way north?
I'd suggest Waterloo to London Bridge (Jubilee) then Northern, or Waterloo to Elephant & Castle (Bakerloo) then Northen would both be quicker than travel via Kennington, with or without the loop.If you're travelling, say, Waterloo - Borough, is it quicker to go around the loop to get the cross-platform change on the way north?