Northern Unit Refurbishments

[td97]

First refreshed 170 leaving crewe later today

Did this one make it out? And are the others going to be refurbished and/or re-liveried before entering service?

On a more general note, have Northern internally refurbished anything lately (apart from the above 170)? The last one I remember being reported was a 319 last month.

Thanks in advance for any replies

 

[centraltrains]

Regarding 150s a few pages back, Central Trains use to have hybrid 150/1 and /2s and the crew door of the /2 was converted into a single passenger door with standard open/close button, any reasons why they wouldn't be able to do this again??

 

[superkev]

A 170 went around the Harrogate loop today with no issues found.

I think the 170's are a bit high geared for most of Northern s slow network. I believe they don't change from hydraulic to direct drive till around 65mph. The harrogate line overall max speed is just 65 and indeed not many of Northerns lines in WY are much faster. Running in hydraulic uses much more fuel.
K

 

[AMD]

And are the others going to be refurbished and/or re-liveried before entering service?

Current plan is that only this first one will be refurbed prior to the TT change, work starts on the rest from August.

 

[scotraildriver]

I think the 170's are a bit high geared for most of Northern s slow network. I believe they don't change from hydraulic to direct drive till around 65mph. The harrogate line overall max speed is just 65 and indeed not many of Northerns lines in WY are much faster. Running in hydraulic uses much more fuel.
K

They change up at 70mph

 

[northernchris]

170476 just passed through Leeds looking very smart

 

[DanNCL]

Updated, any mistakes please let me know.

Units in red are in the Northern Rail livery or their former operator's livery.
Units in blue are in the Northern or Northern base livery.
Units in bold are refurbished.
Units with a ^ are out of service for repaint/refurbishment/PRM mods.
Units with a * have received PRM modifications.
Units with a $ are currently stored/out of service.
Units in italics have not arrived yet.

Class 150s
150101, 150102*$, 150103, 150104, 150105, 150106, 150107, 150108, 150109, 150110, 150111, 150112, 150113^, 150114, 150115, 150116^, 150117, 150118, 150119, 150120, 150121$ 150122, 150123, 150124*, 150125, 150126*, 150127$, 150128, 150129, 150130$, 150131$, 150132, 150133, 150134*, 150135, 150136*, 150137*, 150138, 150139, 150140*, 150141, 150142*, 150143, 150144*^, 150145, 150146, 150147, 150148, 150149*, 150150.

150201, 150203*, 150204*, 150205*, 150206*, 150207, 150210, 150211*, 150214, 150215, 150218, 150220*, 150222*, 150223*, 150224, 150225, 150226, 150228, 150268, 150269, 150270^, 150271, 150272, 150273, 150274*, 150275*, 150276*, 150277.

Class 155s
155341^, 155342, 155343, 155344, 155345*, 155346*, 155347*$.

Class 156s
156420*, 156421, 156423, 156424, 156425, 156426, 156427, 156428, 156429, 156438*, 156440, 156441, 156443*, 156444*, 156448*, 156451*, 156452^, 156454*, 156455, 156459, 156460, 156461, 156463*, 156464, 156466, 156468, 156469*, 156471*, 156472*, 156475^, 156479*, 156480, 156481*, 156482*, 156483*, 156484*, 156486*, 156487*, 156488*, 156489*, 156490*, 156491*, 1564??, 1564??, 1564??, 1564??, 1564??.

Class 158s
158752*, 158753*, 158754*, 158755*, 158756*, 158757*, 158758*$, 158759^.

158782*, 158784, 158786*, 158787, 158789*, 158790, 158791, 158792, 158793, 158794, 158795, 158796, 158797*, 158815, 158816, 158817, 158842, 158843, 158844, 158845*^, 158848*, 158849*, 158850*, 158851, 158853, 158855*, 158859*, 158860*, 158861, 158867*, 158868*, 158869*, 158870*, 158871*, 158872.

158901, 158902, 158903, 158904, 158905, 158906, 158907, 158908, 158909, 158910.

Note: 158906 is fitted with WiFi, charging points and a PIS in one carriage.

Class 170s
170453*, 170454*, 170455*, 170456*, 170457*, 170458*, 170459*, 170460*, 170461*, 170472*, 170473*, 170474*, 170475*$, 170476*^, 170477*$, 170478*$.

Class 319s (All are now PRM compliant)
319361*, 319362*, 319363*, 319364*, 319365*, 319366*, 319367*, 319368*, 319369*, 319370*, 319371*, 319374*, 319375*, 319376*, 319377*, 319378*, 319379*, 319380*, 319381*$, 319382*, 319383*, 319384*, 319385*, 319386*.

319424*, 319431*^, 319434*^, 319442*, 319448*, 319450*, 319456*^, 319458*.

Class 333s
333001*, 333002*, 333003*, 333004*, 333005*, 333006*, 333007*, 333008*, 333009*, 333010*, 333011*, 333012*, 333013*, 333014*, 333015*, 333016*.

Class 769s (Undergoing conversion)
769424*, 769431*^, 769434*^, 769442*, 769448*, 769450*, 769456*^, 769458*, 7694??, 7694??, 7694??.

156448 is shown as being refurbished on the list, however I was on 156448 today and can confirm that it has not been refurbished, it has only had the PRM mods and the new livery like most of the other Heaton 156s.

 

[Geeves]

What a beauty she is!

Here seen ready to leave Crewe for Neville Hill earlier

 

[darloscott]

I think the return of this one in full Northern livery represents the first proper step change in quality across the Northern network. These along with the new ones will help to improve the quality of services on the busier parts of the network to make these more of a commercial success.

 

[rich-leeds]

I agree, it's shameful that a posh bus service is able to give the railway a genuine run for its money between Leeds and Harrogate - these units should help grow the rail market here and elsewhere.

Be fascinated to see the interior of these units after Northern treatment, as they were already pretty decent at Scotrail.

 

[YorkshireBear]

New Northern livery suits the 170s very well.

 

[TheAdelante]

I see it didn’t take long for the “by Arriva” to creep in haha

 

[47802]

I think the return of this one in full Northern livery represents the first proper step change in quality across the Northern network. These along with the new ones will help to improve the quality of services on the busier parts of the network to make these more of a commercial success.

Well excluding the hire in's this Northern's newest and best DMU at the moment, interesting that they have chosen to take the blue beyond the 1st set of doors, which they haven't done with the 195's.

You still have to wonder why they don't put these on Northern Connect rather than 158's. Talking of which has any 158 actually materialised with the supposed new seating?

 

[Rail Blues]

I think the return of this one in full Northern livery represents the first proper step change in quality across the Northern network. These along with the new ones will help to improve the quality of services on the busier parts of the network to make these more of a commercial success.

One would hope so.

I am genuinely excited to see them in service. I live in Scotland but travel to the North of England fairly often.

 

[capital12]

Well excluding the hire in's this Northern's newest and best DMU at the moment, interesting that they have chosen to take the blue beyond the 1st set of doors, which they haven't done with the 195's.

You still have to wonder why they don't put these on Northern Connect rather than 158's. Talking of which has any 158 actually materialised with the supposed new seating?

I think you’ll find the first set of doors on a 195 are a lot further back than a 170 and guess that there wouldn’t be room for the cheap looking balls if they had a smaller area of blue on the Turbostar?!

 

[47802]

I think you’ll find the first set of doors on a 195 are a lot further back than a 170 and guess that there wouldn’t be room for the cheap looking balls if they had a smaller area of blue on the Turbostar?!

Possibly so although I think It looks a little odd with the contrasting doors in a different colour, XC have a similar style livery but don't take it beyond the 1st door which I think looks better.

 

[capital12]

Possibly so although I think It looks a little odd with the contrasting doors in a different colour, XC have a similar style livery but don't take it beyond the 1st door which I think looks better.

Yeah probably would look more consistent, but I think the Northern livery looks pretty naff anyway so it doesn’t make that much difference!

It’s almost a shame they didn’t keep it in ScotRail livery minus the Saltire white dots! The pale blue dots would have matched Northern’s new seat moquette!

 

[stu99]

You still have to wonder why they don't put these on Northern Connect rather than 158's. Talking of which has any 158 actually materialised with the supposed new seating?

There was a picture of one part done with a few new "ironing board" seats on The North Rail Scene group on Facebook.

 

[GrahamD83]

Does anyone know what future stock will be coming to Heaton depot once the Pacers go? There seems to be very little activity up here at the moment other than the Sprinters receiving PRM mods.

 

[sprinterguy]

Does anyone know what future stock will be coming to Heaton depot once the Pacers go? There seems to be very little activity up here at the moment other than the Sprinters receiving PRM mods.

It'll be a mix of class 156 (as at present) and 158 units, the latter primarily for the "Northern Connect" Middlesbrough - Newcastle - Carlisle services.

What a beauty she is!

Here seen ready to leave Crewe for Neville Hill earlier

The livery is still crap and will look worse still once its received it's final coat of prerequisite "Northern grime" after a period of time in service, but I must admit that it does seem better suited to more modern outline stock, and it's interesting to see a Turbostar finally in the employ of Northern (A post-privatisation DMU all of their own, and only twenty years after the initial introduction of the type ).

 

[507021]

156448 is shown as being refurbished on the list, however I was on 156448 today and can confirm that it has not been refurbished, it has only had the PRM mods and the new livery like most of the other Heaton 156s.

Thanks for that.

What a beauty she is!

Here seen ready to leave Crewe for Neville Hill earlier

I like it, very smart.

 

[507021]

Updated, if there's any mistakes please let me know. The latest updates are underlined.

I've removed 150207 and replaced it with 150209, as I believe they're due to be swapped imminently.

Units in red are in the Northern Rail livery or their former operator's livery.
Units in blue are in the Northern or Northern base livery.
Units in bold are refurbished.
Units with a ^ are out of service for repaint/refurbishment/PRM mods.
Units with a * have received PRM modifications.
Units with a $ are currently stored/out of service.
Units in italics have not arrived yet.

Class 150s
150101, 150102*, 150103, 150104, 150105, 150106, 150107, 150108, 150109, 150110, 150111, 150112, 150113^, 150114, 150115, 150116*^, 150117, 150118, 150119, 150120, 150121$ 150122, 150123, 150124*, 150125, 150126*, 150127$, 150128, 150129, 150130, 150131$, 150132, 150133, 150134*, 150135, 150136*, 150137*, 150138*^, 150139, 150140*, 150141, 150142*, 150143, 150144*^, 150145, 150146, 150147, 150148, 150149*, 150150.

150201, 150203*, 150204*, 150205*, 150206*, 150209, 150210, 150211*, 150214, 150215, 150218, 150220*, 150222*, 150223*, 150224, 150225, 150226, 150228, 150268, 150269, 150270^, 150271, 150272, 150273, 150274*, 150275*, 150276*, 150277.

Class 155s
155341^, 155342, 155343, 155344, 155345*, 155346*, 155347*.

Class 156s
156420*, 156421, 156423, 156424, 156425, 156426, 156427, 156428, 156429, 156438*, 156440, 156441, 156443*, 156444*, 156448*, 156451*, 156452*, 156454*, 156455, 156459, 156460, 156461, 156463*, 156464, 156466, 156468*, 156469*, 156471*, 156472*, 156475*, 156479*, 156480*, 156481*, 156482*, 156483*, 156484*, 156486*, 156487*, 156488*, 156489*, 156490*, 156491*, 1564??, 1564??, 1564??, 1564??, 1564??.

Class 158s
158752*, 158753*, 158754*, 158755*, 158756*, 158757*, 158758*, 158759^.

158782*, 158784, 158786*, 158787, 158789*, 158790, 158791, 158792, 158793, 158794, 158795, 158796, 158797*, 158815, 158816, 158817, 158842, 158843, 158844, 158845*^, 158848*, 158849*, 158850*, 158851, 158853, 158855*, 158859*, 158860*, 158861, 158867*, 158868*, 158869*, 158870*, 158871*, 158872.

158901, 158902, 158903, 158904, 158905, 158906, 158907, 158908, 158909, 158910.

Note: 158906 is fitted with WiFi, charging points and a PIS in one carriage.

Class 170s (All are PRM compliant)
170453*, 170454*, 170455*, 170456*, 170457*, 170458*, 170459*, 170460*, 170461*, 170472*, 170473*, 170474*, 170475*, 170476*, 170477*, 170478*.

Class 319s (All are PRM compliant)
319361*, 319362*, 319363*, 319364*, 319365*, 319366*, 319367*, 319368*, 319369*, 319370*, 319371*, 319374*, 319375*, 319376*, 319377*, 319378*, 319379*, 319380*, 319381*$, 319382*, 319383*, 319384*, 319385*, 319386*.

319424*, 319431*, 319434*^, 319442*, 319448*, 319450*, 319456*^, 319458*.

Class 333s (All are PRM compliant)
333001*, 333002*, 333003*, 333004*, 333005*, 333006*, 333007*, 333008*, 333009*, 333010*, 333011*, 333012*, 333013*, 333014*, 333015*, 333016*.

Class 769s (Undergoing conversion)
769424*, 769431*, 769434*^, 769442*, 769448*, 769450*, 769456*^, 769458*, 7694??, 7694??, 7694??.

 

[northernchris]

Thanks for the update, it's a really useful guide as to the current state of the Northern fleet. 150130 was in service yesterday (in FGW livery) so not sure if this is a recent addition to traffic

 

[sd0733]

150102 is showing as out of service. I was on it the other day it's definitely in service now.

 

[simon7929]

156 480/91 are refurbished and carry the new livery.

 

[DanNCL]

156 480/91 are refurbished and carry the new livery.

I think they're like the other Heaton 156s; new livery and PRM mods, but still the old Northern seat covers and carpets, so not fully refurbished. I may be wrong though...

 

[507021]

Thanks everyone, I've added those updates in.

 

[darylyates17]

Not sure if it has already been mentioned but I've just seen 319377 in full livery and with the new seat covers fitted

 

[Harvey10]

150138 now in unbranded Northern Livery

 

[507021]

Not sure if it has already been mentioned but I've just seen 319377 in full livery and with the new seat covers fitted

150138 now in unbranded Northern Livery

Thanks for these, I've added them in.