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subway156

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ll over the net for pictures of ol rolling stock (carriages, passenger stuff and subways). I want to share some pictures with you in hopes you can do so in turn. Maybe you have some cool pix you can shoot on here. I have long lamented the current presentation of NY's subways cars. They look clean, but the bore to no end. The interiors are "nice", but they could use tweaking as well. Anyway, here' goes.
 

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I always find the 1970s-80s photos of the NYC subway fascinating!

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The second picture you put up is one from the 3rd Avenue El, which was my home line.

The second car is from the original Brooklyn compay and was purpose built. The other three were converted from open-ended cars.
 

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sSure, if they painted them.
How about a GreenBird?

A spotter's view on the 3rd Ave. El
 

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This is a well-documented story and a never-ending lament of New Yorkers for generations. Back in 1929, the City was about to embark upon the 2nd Avenue Subway. The planning began as some preliminary work, but money ran out because of the Great Depression. Then WWII, followed by the Korean Conflict and later on, poor management on all levels of the City's government. What could have been built at a cost of 20 times less than today's worthless money, is slowly being done now. Possible (and oft-delayed) completion date is some time in 2015. 111 years after the first subway under Manhattan opened. The 2nd Ave. Line was demolished at the start of WWII and recycled for it's scrap content. Nice. The Mayor at the time, Fiorello LaGaurdia, caved in to pr oprty owners who wanted the sun light to caress the street and make it all look more appealing and valuable. he forgot to ensure the building of a line which eventually would have replaced all four Els. Between the MTA poorly running the system and the continued failure of government to manage funds, this is what you get. An INCOMPLETE!
 

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Found these late last night. They are mostly the 2nd, 6th and 9th avenue lines.
 

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This is a well-documented story and a never-ending lament of New Yorkers for generations. Back in 1929, the City was about to embark upon the 2nd Avenue Subway. The planning began as some preliminary work, but money ran out because of the Great Depression. Then WWII, followed by the Korean Conflict and later on, poor management on all levels of the City's government. What could have been built at a cost of 20 times less than today's worthless money, is slowly being done now. Possible (and oft-delayed) completion date is some time in 2015. 111 years after the first subway under Manhattan opened. The 2nd Ave. Line was demolished at the start of WWII and recycled for it's scrap content. Nice. The Mayor at the time, Fiorello LaGaurdia, caved in to pr oprty owners who wanted the sun light to caress the street and make it all look more appealing and valuable. he forgot to ensure the building of a line which eventually would have replaced all four Els. Between the MTA poorly running the system and the continued failure of government to manage funds, this is what you get. An INCOMPLETE!

At least it's not just us then - I take it you've heard of Dr Beeching? So many routes we need now have been torn up.

Do you have any internal pics of your trains? As a new Yorker what do you think of our slammers ? :)
 

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This is so cool. I did not know about Dr. Beeching. However, my wife (Hendon-born) educated me. Here, we had a state/city offical named Robert Moses who was involved in Highway Planning, among other things. He amassed so much power, that his suggestions were ALL mandated by the city government. Two of his biggest projects: The creation and building of the Cross-Bronx Expressway which displaced thousands of residents, destroyed countless properties and changed life in that part of the city forever. He also saw fit to build the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge. That just stopped the building of an already started subway tunnel connecting Brooklyn to Staten Island. He was a tyrant, a prick and a bad dude all 'round. He was unstoppable and didn't care about the future of mass-transit. I will do some research of my own on Dr. Beeching, as I love transit history. I do have pix of interiors of our stock. I'll send you the best. I have never had the pleasure of riding in an Underground carriage. I have seen so many images and heard loads of stories from my wife that I'd feel right at home in any of them. My favorite surface carriages were the Dreadnaughts from what I've read of them. They look like very formidable units. The newest tube stock looks stunning and I hope to get to London sometime in 2011 for holiday. "We shall scrimp and save!" I will send a few shots for now and I will gather together additional examples as well. Thanks for your interest. The first two from the left are very old Pre WWII units. The one with the green is an overlay for adverts and the last I believe is PATH from New Jersey.

Here is NYC/MTA. The pale blue are the R-160 and R-142. The yellow and rec are R-110 experimental units. The darker seats are from an older unit that I mistakenly added.

Exactly the same story with Robert Moses and the Mayor of New York City. Dr. Beeching gets hired from a chemical company (oil?) by a road builder (Marples) and they set out to make highways. Not thinking about the bigger picture of course. Who cared if 20, 30 or 40 years into the future you might need that mass-transit was destroyed. Nah, they won't notice it, they'll be too busy buying petrol and tires and repairing their British Leyland saloons in the driveway. From the film "Wall Street", they said that "greed is good" and these guys wanted to see for themselves. We are not talking about train spotting or rail fanning, we're talking about clean, efficient transit for the masses who keep the countryies operating. In your part of the world, steam lived on long passed it's decline here. By the 1950's it was all but gone. Too many resources being used. Not efficient enough. Then the trolley lines across the company closed down being replaced by bus lines. Right, stop an exisitng, profitable and clean mode of transit and supply oil eating buses to do the job. They were some of the most unsafe, poorly designed and built machines of their time. Yeesh! I'm ranting! So, yes, the hipocracy of government rules all over the world. Keep quiet, do your part, and go home. Don't make waves and wait for everything you need. Nice. I also read that Beeching removed 3 out of 4 lines from his home town but kept the most direct one to London so he could get to work. ****e!

Yes, I am tea loving Yankee. Have been for nearly all my 56 years. Check these out.
 

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Yes, I am tea loving Yankee. Have been for nearly all my 56 years. Check these out.

Many thanks for the pics. It's always interesting to see how other countries build them :)

I suppose to be fair to Beeching, he did believe that his plan would get the railways on more of an even keel, so he did intend to save the core of the railway. Unfortunately he did it in a very short-sighted and irreversible way which has led to several missing links in the network. The East-West link through his home town (East Grinstead) would probably been quite a useful local commuter link had it been retained, although the line south (which was closed before Beeching became head of the railway) is enjoying a new lease of life as the preserved Bluebell Railway :)
 

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After re-consideration, and reading more on the subject, I really admire the "F" stock that you guys had back in the day. The ovel windows on each end made them so unique, But the flush design also made them still look fresh today. Are there any of these preserved anywhere? And, do you know if they were all painted a shade of red? There is not much on line I can find. I do have a book on surface stock from the 1930's to the 1950's and the section in there is informative. But I'm alays seeking more pictures. Thanks.

I found some really, REALLY old pix! The interior shot looks like mobster getting ready to make a hit. The other shot was on the Myrtle Avenue El in Brooklyn. Good old M. of W. crew at work.
 

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Let's be honest though, although from a sentimental point of view, Beeching was a 'evil man', if it hadn't been for the implementation of his report, Britain's railways would have continued to make massive losses, infrastructure would have deteriorated, and it's unlikely that there would anywhere near the amount of Intercity services there are today. I would hazard a guess that the passenger railway would have become 'secondary' to freight traffic, much like it is in the majority of the USA.
 

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From several things I read of the man, he believed he was doing what he was hired to do. Regardless of whether his post was given to him by an associate. But that is the nature of the political animal and the world he/she lives in. Besides, his choices were made and were carried out. Ohterwise the man who hired him would look rediculous, and we can't have that now can we. Here in the Staes, passneger service became too coslty, cars were failry cheap and freight was were the money was to be made. Now, it's blowing up in their collective faces. Check out old Chicago.
 

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These units were the test mules for the current models. I think what I dislike the most is the slanted lights on the newest stock. It just looks wrong. Not to mention a lack of color in abundance. These trains are boring. They could do so menay treatments to these things, but they still fear grafitti. They should really punish those people who play "tag" on the outside of trains. If you look back at this pictures I put up of the interiors, these had the yellow, blue, white and red seats.
 

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These units were the test mules for the current models. I think what I dislike the most is the slanted lights on the newest stock. It just looks wrong.

I know what you mean.
I think the front of them looks like they've chopped it off another train and stuck it on them, because of the black and red.
 

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It still amazes me that how old the NY stock looks, even though its pretty new. Like the ones in this post:
Not old stock, but I always think NYCTA's R142, R143 and R160s just look a bit wierd;

R142
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This is on the very old Chicago elevated.

I have found these from many sources. Sometimes I wait several months before looking again so that new addtions are posted. I use these for screen savers.
 

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Here is a shot from the Second and Third Avenue lines.

Some random shots from Chicago and New York.
 

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