On this day in history.

[47403]

KJ this thread is seeing you deliver big style. I never even saw a 76, ok the one in the NRM but never mainline. It seems like they were hugely popular though. The only 84 I ever saw was the red n blue departmental One, that was either at Crewe Works open day or at Wilesden, which one I seriously can't remember.
Why didn't the 82s,83s and 84s stay in service as long, was it lack of work, reliability issues or the fact the 86s basically replaced them

 

[Cowley]

KJ this thread is seeing you deliver big style. I never even saw a 76, ok the one in the NRM but never mainline. It seems like they were hugely popular though. The only 84 I ever saw was the red n blue departmental One, that was either at Crewe Works open day or at Wilesden, which one I seriously can't remember.
Why didn't the 82s,83s and 84s stay in service as long, was it lack of work, reliability issues or the fact the 86s basically replaced them

I’m not so sure about the 82s and 83s, but the NBL 84s suffered from the usual poor reliability (and spontaneous combustion) problems that all of their post steam traction seemed to have suffered from.
The handful of 82s and 83s that survived for ECS work out of Euston until the late 80s were remarkable survivors. Especially 83012 which was painted in Inter City livery but retained working headcode blinds until the end.

(Photo by Kerry Parker).
I used to love seeing these old relics at Euston.

 

[47403]

I’m not so sure about the 82s and 83s, but the NBL 84s suffered from the usual poor reliability (and spontaneous combustion) problems that all of their post steam traction seemed to have suffered from.
The handful of 82s and 83s that survived for ECS work out of Euston until the late 80s were remarkable survivors. Especially 83012 which was painted in Inter City livery but retained working headcode blinds until the end.
View attachment 52669
(Photo by Kerry Parker).
I used to love seeing these old relics at Euston.

Cheers for that Cowley. Yeah I remember seeing those in Euston too. Weren't they also used to shunt the parcel vans too. I seem to recall seeing them do so, one night my Mates n I were on Euston.

 

[barrowjack]

Back to the 17/09/1994 for me today

1564xx Barrow In Furness to Preston
37414 Preston to Chester (This was on the SO Blackpool to Holyhead service)
158xxx Chester to Crewe
90011 Crewe to Runcorn
87032 Runcorn to Crewe
47850 Crewe to Liverpool Lime Street
87027 Liverpool Lime Street to Crewe
86259 Crewe to Liverpool Lime Street
1564xx Liverpool Lime Street to Wigan North Western
1564xx Wigan North Western to Barrow In Furness

 

[stephens]

Back to the 17/09/1994 for me today

1564xx Barrow In Furness to Preston
37414 Preston to Chester (This was on the SO Blackpool to Holyhead service)
158xxx Chester to Crewe
90011 Crewe to Runcorn
87032 Runcorn to Crewe
47850 Crewe to Liverpool Lime Street
87027 Liverpool Lime Street to Crewe
86259 Crewe to Liverpool Lime Street
1564xx Liverpool Lime Street to Wigan North Western
1564xx Wigan North Western to Barrow In Furness

For me on 17/09/94 involved Pathfinder Lancastrian railtour:
90014 Preston-Crewe
90149 Crewe-Manchester Picc.
56093 Manchester Picc-Buxton
37686 Buxton- Manchester Picc
20128+20131 Manchester Picc-Chester-Warrington
60085+60082 Warrington-Liverpool Lime St.
31188+31163 Liverpool Lime St.-Kirkby
47194 Kirkby-Warrington
37509 Warrington-Preston

And the second half of the tour on the following day (18/9)
56049 Preston-Bredbury
56056 Bredbury- Manchester Picc
31427+31160 Manchester Picc-Rose Hill
60045 Rose Hill- Manchester Picc
47308 Manchester Picc-Glossop
60045 Glossop-Hadfield
47308 Hadfield- Manchester Picc
58019 Manchester Picc-Hooton
60058 Hooton-Warrington
90136+90145 Warrington-Crewe
47567 Crewe-Preston

 

[Keith Jarrett]

17th September seems to be a rather bleak day for me. Just daily commutes t/from work - that is with the exception of 17th September 1981 when I did the following after work leap
50021 Paddington to Evesham
50002 Evesham to Paddington

 

[Cowley]

For me on 17/09/94 involved Pathfinder Lancastrian railtour:
90014 Preston-Crewe
90149 Crewe-Manchester Picc.
56093 Manchester Picc-Buxton
37686 Buxton- Manchester Picc
20128+20131 Manchester Picc-Chester-Warrington
60085+60082 Warrington-Liverpool Lime St.
31188+31163 Liverpool Lime St.-Kirkby
47194 Kirkby-Warrington
37509 Warrington-Preston

And the second half of the tour on the following day (18/9)
56049 Preston-Bredbury
56056 Bredbury- Manchester Picc
31427+31160 Manchester Picc-Rose Hill
60045 Rose Hill- Manchester Picc
47308 Manchester Picc-Glossop
60045 Glossop-Hadfield
47308 Hadfield- Manchester Picc
58019 Manchester Picc-Hooton
60058 Hooton-Warrington
90136+90145 Warrington-Crewe
47567 Crewe-Preston

That looked excellent.

 

[Cowley]

17th September seems to be a rather bleak day for me. Just daily commutes t/from work - that is with the exception of 17th September 1981 when I did the following after work leap
50021 Paddington to Evesham
50002 Evesham to Paddington

Did you have a favourite 50 Keith?

 

[Mag_seven]

I used to love seeing these old relics at Euston.

Yes I remember seeing those at Euston as well - they weren't as loud as the Class 81 or Class 85 I seem to recall.

 

[Kite159]

That looked excellent.

Agreed, lots of variety from different locos.

 

[47403]

For me on 17/09/94 involved Pathfinder Lancastrian railtour:
90014 Preston-Crewe
90149 Crewe-Manchester Picc.
56093 Manchester Picc-Buxton
37686 Buxton- Manchester Picc
20128+20131 Manchester Picc-Chester-Warrington
60085+60082 Warrington-Liverpool Lime St.
31188+31163 Liverpool Lime St.-Kirkby
47194 Kirkby-Warrington
37509 Warrington-Preston

And the second half of the tour on the following day (18/9)
56049 Preston-Bredbury
56056 Bredbury- Manchester Picc
31427+31160 Manchester Picc-Rose Hill
60045 Rose Hill- Manchester Picc
47308 Manchester Picc-Glossop
60045 Glossop-Hadfield
47308 Hadfield- Manchester Picc
58019 Manchester Picc-Hooton
60058 Hooton-Warrington
90136+90145 Warrington-Crewe
47567 Crewe-Preston

I agree Cowley. That is some tour, looks like one of the old spin n win tours I've read about.
Did many 58s get into Man Picc? saw a few at Crewe and one through Stoke one day. So.i could imagine a 58 Would be been a pretty rare sight there.
Quiet day for KJ just 2 50s. Jealous as sin. The North East got extremely excited in the early 80s, when they were on the Test trains

 

[Keith Jarrett]

Did you have a favourite 50 Keith?

Certainly - the one that I amassed a mere 8,387 miles with. In pre-refurb days it was notorious for being a delicate shade of black - a combination of general grime and oil. None other than 50043 Eagle. Most memorable trip with it was on a Saturday night in January 1980 on the down sleepers when the train was routed Badminton, Bristol TM , Westbury, Taunton and on to Penzance. Was intending on going all the way but was slightly distracted at that great hub of bashing, Castle Cary, where we were crossing the "up" which was a pair 50038+50040. Pairs were rarely refused! Not advertised to call but I was not alone in joining the train crew in switching from down to up (or vice versa)

 

[47403]

Oh that sounds like great fun. Never had a pair of 50s. Still remember my first. Waterloo-Woking, ok not massive mileage but 50027 done the honours for a 33 back.

 

[barrowjack]

Back to the 18th September 1993 for me OTDIH, again no units recorded unfortunately

1533xx Barrow In Furness to Preston
31428 Preston to Liverpool Lime Street
47631 Liverpool Lime Street to Crewe
47853 Crewe to Manchester Piccadilly
90001 Manchester Piccadilly to Crewe
47805 Crewe to Liverpool Lime Street
47537 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Piccadilly
150xxx Manchester Piccadilly to Preston
1420xx Preston to Leyland
31433 Leyland to Preston
xxxxxx Preston to Barrow In Furness

 

[Keith Jarrett]

And now for something a little different. A mid-week mini rail tour on 18th September 1986.
51656+51876 Marylebone to High Wycombe
then a mini tour to Thame and back with 55000, yes a single bubble car!
51677+51678 High Wycombe to Marylebone

Alas my notes do not give anything about the tour apart from it being the 14:05 ex High Wycombe and the 14:44 return so if anyone can throw more light on this, I'd be more than grateful.

 

[Kite159]

And now for something a little different. A mid-week mini rail tour.
51656+51876 Marylebone to High Wycombe
then a mini tour to Thame and back with 55000, yes a single bubble car!
51677+51678 High Wycombe to Marylebone

Alas my notes do not give anything about the tour apart from it being the 14:05 ex High Wycombe and the 14:44 return so if anyone can throw more light on this, I'd be more than grateful.

Have you checked Six Bells Junction to see if they have anything listed?

 

[Keith Jarrett]

Cannot see anything on Six Bells, hence my asking!

 

[D841 Roebuck]

19/9/2010
Eight years ago, I started an ALR. First day was spent heading to the Mid Hants gala for some winners.
170304 Manchester Piccadilly Stockport
221119 Stockport Guildford
455715 Guildford Woking
450100 Woking Alton
M51363 + M51405 Alton Ropley
K34007 + K45379 Ropley Medstead & Four Marks
K92212 Medstead & Four Marks Ropley
K73096 Ropley Medstead & Four Marks
33053 Medstead & Four Marks Alresford (Hants)
K53808 Alresford (Hants) Medstead & Four Marks
37905 Medstead & Four Marks Alresford (Hants)
205025 Alresford (Hants) Alton
450089 Alton Aldershot
450041 Aldershot Guildford
455711 Guildford Waterloo
LU3461 Waterloo Paddington
57605 Paddington Penzance

 

[MDB1images]

Sat 19th September 1987....
Some NB loco chasing as a youngster with all the Summer Saturday workings from the South West to Yorkshire/North East on a Peak Wayfarer ticket and a couple of add on pieces.
Good days of not knowing what was coming until it came around the corner at Chesterfield.

The Moves....
47588 08:20 Bolton--Sheffield.
47522 10:53 Sheffield--Chesterfield.
47572 11:22 Chesterfield-Sheffield.
47648 15:05 Chestefield-Sheffield.
47231 16:31 Chesterfield--Sheffield.
47156 17:27 Chesterfield-Sheffield.
47572 18:23 Sheffield-Stockport.
47094 19:45 Stockport-Man Piccadilly.
The missing bits to/from Chesterfield would have been HSTs.

New for sight today was...
37607, 37509 (as rebuilds)
150282.

Others noted working(confirmed)....
45052 Footex to Sheffield(Millwall from memory)
45121 Scarborough-Paignton.
47144 Blackpool-Nottingham.
47321 1M40(Fm Preston-Man Vic)
47490 1M87
47521 1M26 / 1M27
47549 Tenby-York
47612 1J27(Fm Preston-Man Vic).

Other Locos noted at Chesterfield during the trip(freight & passenger)...
20094/ 20215
31409/ 31414/ 31417/ 31438/ 31450/ 31453
37507/ 37509/ 37683/ 37688
45106
47302/ 47310/ 47353/ 47603

HST...
43007/43130:
W41165/42108/42109/42322/44087

43009/43186:
W41148/40402/42270/42274/42278/42282/44062.

43010/43028:

43032/43240:
W41160/40425/42302/42303/42304/
42305/44068.

43050/43122:
E41094/41093/40707/42183/42184/
42185/ 42107/44059.

43053/43182:
41101/41102/40712/42201/42202/
42203/42204/44064

43067/43178

43088/43090:
44091/42321/42320/42319/42318/
40434/41169

43091/43179
E44025/42078/42076/42126/40746/
41052/41051

Sprinters....
150131/ 150139/ 150147/ 150282

Locos noted at Man Victoria (PM)......
08915
31128/ 31296/ 31425
37120
45128
47321: 1M40
47475
47490: 1M87
47521: 1M27
47587 at 21:30hrs
47612: 1J27
47621/ 47650

Units noted at Man Vic (roughly 20:45 to 22:30)
DMU (all prefixed by M unless shown).
E53004/E54028,
53451/53518,
53536/54179,
53930/59148/52056
53944/52041.

EMU (all prefixed by M)
65452/77173

Pacers....
142040/ 142044/ 142054

Sprinters....
150211/ 150212/ 150216/ 150219/ 150226/ 150235/ 150248/ 150252/ 150260/ 150264.

Locos noted at Sheffield during the trip....
08878
31166/ 31323/ 31410 / 31427/ 31449/ 31453
47441 / 47641/ 47662

HST...
43051/43072:
41097/ 41098/ 41117/ 40629/ 42191/ 42192/ 42193/44061.

43056/43116:
E44093/42138/42134/42122/42130/ 40712/41172/41174.

43142/43176:
W41161/ 40421/42081/42086/42087/
44069

DMU(all prefixed by E unless shown)..
M51180/ M54355
51226/51499
51426/53171
51809/51845
51838/51826
M51941/ M59388/ M52064
M51948/ M59187/ M53634
53182/53220
53622/53642

 

[MDB1images]

Fri 18th September 1987.....
The usual Fri night Dad & lad move spent at Preston aiming to scratch a couple of locos going to/from on 1M26 Nottingham-Blackpool returning on 1M40 Glasgow - Manchester Victoria which at this time was getting anything but the CD ETH Class 47 it was booked at that time.

As was usual I'd make as much notes as possible of what was to be seen inbetween, great nights and lots of others doing the same with platforms full of Enthusiasts be it traction bashers, scratch bashers, spotters or photographers.
How things have changed as everyone has become "normalised"!!

The Moves....
31271 18:35 Bolton to Preston 1M26.
47213 22:19 Preston to Bolton 1M40

Locos noted.....
08925

31271: 1M26/ 1M27.

47130
47213: 1M40
47314
47347
47359
47448: 2P62
47454
47463
47536: Workington-Huddersfield TPO.
47590: 4P05
47588: 1M12
47610
47641 1J27(Fm Preston)

81005
81012

85002 (arr on 1J27)
85007
85020
85022

86101
86103
86213
86225
86232
86410
86432

87012
87023
87025
87035.

DMU (all M prefix unless stated)...
53465/53499
W53843/ W59355/ W53896
53951/54235
53957/54236
55976/55986

Pacers....
142037/ 142051/ 142058/ 142060/ 142068/ 142086.

Sprinters....
150116
150202/ 150207/ 150209/ 150211/ 150213/ 150217/ 150227/ 150233/ 150243/ 150245/ 150253

Barrow Sleeping coaches....
10570/ 10730.

For some reason I wrote down some TPOs.....
E80302 (arr on Workington-Huddersfield) and M80377 & M80400.

 

[Kite159]

19/9/14 was the first day of an East Midlands Rover which I did for route coverage:

159009 Grateley - Waterloo
An unknown Northern line service to Euston
221114 Euston - Milton Keynes Central
350118 Milton Keynes - Tamworth
170520 Tamworth - Derby (caught this running a few minutes late allowing me to do the next move this afternoon instead of Sunday)
156498 Derby - Matlock
156498 Matlock - Derby
222022 Derby - Wellingborough (Via Corby, for the north curve at Syston)
43044/43049 Wellingborough - Kettering (time wasting linear hop)
222017 Kettering - Oakham (via Corby)
170398 Oakham - Peterborough

I believe I stayed in a Travelodge that night in Peterborough city centre.

 

[Keith Jarrett]

1981 seems to be the only year when loco haulage features on 19th September
50025 Paddington to Bristol TM on the down midnight
50012 Bristol TM to Paddington on the up Milford
50048 Paddington to Worcester SH via Gloucester
50048 Worcester SH to Reading
50014 Reading to Exeter St Davids
47026 Exeter St Davids to Bristol TM
51308+51323 Bristol TM to Keynsham and onwards to visit the parents for the evening (and most of Sunday)

 

[Cowley]

1981 seems to be the only year when loco haulage features on 19th September
50025 Paddington to Bristol TM on the down midnight
50012 Bristol TM to Paddington on the up Milford
50048 Paddington to Worcester SH via Gloucester
50048 Worcester SH to Reading
50014 Reading to Exeter St Davids
47026 Exeter St Davids to Bristol TM
51308+51323 Bristol TM to Keynsham and onwards to visit the parents for the evening (and most of Sunday)

Racking up those 50 miles.
I meant to say that although I wasn’t particularly a 50 Basher 50042 was my favourite, a locomotive that I’m looking forward to having a run behind on the BWR this Saturday hopefully.
What a marvellous machine.

 

[Keith Jarrett]

42 was another of the infamous six (50039-44) from the late 70s/early 80s that were allocated to Bristol Bath road at the time and the external appearance of all six can only be described as a delicate shade of "grime/oil". But mechanically, they were some of the best (and loudest prior to refurb).

 

[47403]

42 was another of the infamous six (50039-44) from the late 70s/early 80s that were allocated to Bristol Bath road at the time and the external appearance of all six can only be described as a delicate shade of "grime/oil". But mechanically, they were some of the best (and loudest prior to refurb).

Yeah i read that somewhere lately, that the 50s lost a lot of their grunt after their refurb. Obviously i wasnt around, sorry to make our elder statesman sound older again, to hear the hoovering sound, which earned them their nickname.

 

[Keith Jarrett]

Back to 1986 and another rail tour, The Lincolnshire Coast Pullman. Bruce & I fancied a bit of a track bash so booked on this all first class trip. Plus a 58 to both Skeggie and Cleethorpes was nothing short of rate-able.
20th September 1986
58039 Kings Cross to Skegeness (London Kings Cross, Stevenage, Peterborough, Grantham, Barkston South Jn, Barkston East Jn, Sleaford, Boston, Skegness)
58039 Skegness to Cleethorpes (Skegness, Boston, Sleaford, Sleaford South Jn, Sleaford North Jn, Lincoln central, Gainsborough Lea Rd, Doncaster, Carcroft Jn, Skellow Jn, Stainforth and Hatfield, Scunthorpe, Barnetby, Grimsby, Cleethorpes)
58039 Cleethorpes to Kings Cross (Cleethorpes, Grimsby, Barnetby, Scunthorpe, Stainforth and Hatfield, Stainforth Jn, Bentley Jn, Hexthorpe Jn, Mexborough, Rotherham, Treeton North Jct, Catcliffe Jct, Shepcote Lane Jn, Attercliffe Jn, Darnall, Woodhouse, Worksop, Whisker Hill Jn, Retford, Newark, Peterborough, Stevenage, London King's Cross)

 

[Keith Jarrett]

Yeah i read that somewhere lately, that the 50s lost a lot of their grunt after their refurb. Obviously i wasnt around, sorry to make our elder statesman sound older again, to hear the hoovering sound, which earned them their nickname.

47403 - no offence taken. More than happy to share my experiences. Just wait until OTDIH gets around to high summer and see what I turn up with ......

Post refurb, the 50s certainly became more consistent but there's nothing to beat a decent unrefurb one in good nick bowling along Brunel's billiard table doing slightly over the ton keeping HST times.

 

[Cowley]

That last statement gave me a shiver down my spine Keith...
I was the small 4 year old boy standing by a foot crossing in Scorrior, Cornwall with my parents in 1977 when an unrefurbished class 50 came hammering around the bend flat out and blared its horn at us...
It’s the only time in my life that I’ve burst into tears at the sight of a train.
I realised there and then that I needed to toughen up and enjoy the thrash if I was going to have a fulfilled life.
(I wonder if it was a pre-named Triumph?)

 

[stephens]

Two significant trips for me on 22/9:

2006
390047 Virgin Record Breaker Glasgow Central-London Euston non-stop in 3 hrs 55 mins 27 secs.

1973
No haulage, but a visit to Crewe Works open day.
My notes taken on the day are long gone but the following were there
229, 243, 283, 297, 308, 313, 317, 331/4/6, 359, 371/8, 90-2/7 and 40051
403
1500/52/54/61, 1611/28, 1703/6/16/61/76/80/3, 1830/7, 1905/7/22/68/79
81001/18
83007/12
85017/21
86009/11/5/6/8
86209/12/7-24
87001/3/6-20 New build

Anybody else go to the open day in 1973?
Does anyone have a more extensive list of what was on Crewe works and station on 22/9/73?

 

[Keith Jarrett]

Difficulty in finding anything for 21st September so it'll just have to be the daily commute
21st September 1989
319012+319036 St Helier to Wimbledon
3115 Wimbledon to Waterloo
5866 Waterloo to Wimbledon
319013+319059 Wimbledon to St Helier

But on 22nd September 1979, life was a little more interesting
50043 Bristol TM to Newton Abbot
47545 Newton Abbot to Exeter SD
50014 Exeter SD to Birmingham NS
plan was to come back with 14 an hour or so later but got rather way laid by
37164 Birmingham NS to Cheltenham
A short fester at Cheltenham for
50014 Cheltenham to Gloucester. I was planning on going much further west but
20058+20208 were waiting to take over a northbound service
so
20058+20208 Gloucester to Worcester SH
50008 Worcester SH to Bristol TM

OK, I racked up some 50 mileage but three unexpected winners made the day all so much better!