Onibury crossing accident and road driver capabilities

[Llanigraham]

I think Meercat must have a different meaning to urban than me!
As far as I can see what Surrey CC has done is no different to what every other Council is doing, making roads safer.

 

[Meerkat]

I think Meercat must have a different meaning to urban than me!
As far as I can see what Surrey CC has done is no different to what every other Council is doing, making roads safer.

A tiny bit safer with no regard to the negative effects

 

[aar0]

There are lights around Swansea which regularly cycle to red, pause a moment and then go back green. These lights do have cameras and so it requires taking great care not to be caught out. The junction of Elba Crescent and Fabian Way is particularly bad for this. If we are to move into a more fine based system, then junctions like that should only cycle when there is genuinely a car either trying to join from the side roads, or looking to turn across the flow. At 40mph I do not think a filter light is needed for a right turn.

Having been hit and run in Swansea a few years ago, I discovered that the red light jumping cameras are often off to save money…

 

[Topological]

Having been hit and run in Swansea a few years ago, I discovered that the red light jumping cameras are often off to save money…

Sorry to hear that. Hope you are ok.

I think it says everything about the attitude to road safety in Swansea and beyond that this could happen.

In the days when I used to take taxis to get to the station in the morning, all the drivers said that the cameras had either caught them on Fabian Way, or that they had relatives who had been caught by the cameras. I can believe the stories because on the sections that do not have cameras they were happy doing 50+ (Worth saying that my old car sat nav still had the speed limit at 50 on those sections and 70 on the parts that were outside the urban area - which would be the speed limit in normal times). Most days driving into Swansea you get overtaken regularly sticking to 40.

 

[Llanigraham]

A tiny bit safer with no regard to the negative effects

Well the figures from the Welsh Ambulance Service and the Welsh Government say there have been considerable improvements in the number of accidents and injuries caused since the introduction of the 20 limits, and this has also been confirmed by other counties and places. Over the plus nine thousand miles I have driven in the last twelve months I have seen little negative effects.

 

[Harpo]

Most days driving into Swansea you get overtaken regularly sticking to 40.

I find that to be the norm anywhere in England and Wales. Stick to the limit and other vehicles will arrive from behind to tailgate or overtake if the opportunity exists, or in the case of the A44, overtake multiple vehicles at high speed regardless.

 

[Topological]

I find that to be the norm anywhere in England and Wales. Stick to the limit and other vehicles will arrive from behind to tailgate or overtake if the opportunity exists, or in the case of the A44, overtake multiple vehicles at high speed regardless.

I think the point is that more roads in Wales appear to have speed limits lower than they might otherwise be. This was the point being made by @Meerkat about Sussex.

I never drove on Fabian Way when it had a more sensible 50 limit, so cannot comment whether people would have still been tailgating and trying to overtake those doing 50.

For those in any doubt about how daft a 40 limit is on Fabian Way you can follow the road here: Google maps of location

For me any dual carriageway with no houses exiting onto the road should be 40. Both of the short terraces in the 40 section have service roads in front of them and the Bay Campus of Swansea University is set a long way back from the main road.

Within a mile drive you come to a section of the A48 to which the national speed limit applies (and ironically parallels the M4 with its 50 limit). Follow that section here: Google maps of location

 

[Bald Rick]

I find that to be the norm anywhere in England and Wales. Stick to the limit and other vehicles will arrive from behind to tailgate or overtake if the opportunity exists, or in the case of the A44, overtake multiple vehicles at high speed regardless.

I have had to overtake a number of cars doing between 38-40mph on the main road between St Albans and Harpenden. But then the limit is NSL 60, and about half the users of the road don’t seem to be able to read the (very obvious) signs.

 

[Meerkat]

I have had to overtake a number of cars doing between 38-40mph on the main road between St Albans and Harpenden. But then the limit is NSL 60, and about half the users of the road don’t seem to be able to read the (very obvious) signs.

There seem to be a lot of drivers that only drive at 40. They do it in 50s and 60s and bizarrely they often carry on doing 40 into 30s. It must just be a comfortable angle for their foot!

 

[PG]

There seem to be a lot of drivers that only drive at 40. They do it in 50s and 60s and bizarrely they often carry on doing 40 into 30s. It must just be a comfortable angle for their foot!

Or they've got the cruise control on (which defaults to 40mph)...

 

[Bald Rick]

There seem to be a lot of drivers that only drive at 40. They do it in 50s and 60s and bizarrely they often carry on doing 40 into 30s. It must just be a comfortable angle for their foot!

Or they've got the cruise control on (which defaults to 40mph)...

It’s just rank bad driving. Not paying attention.

 

[Llanigraham]

Speed limits are exactly that, LIMITS, not a target.

 

[Shrop]

It’s just rank bad driving. Not paying attention.

Full circle to my earlier comments. Incredible that so many people are happy to keep putting up with it when these bad habits keep killing and maiming people, even to the point of arguing against trying to make any changes!

 

[75A]

Here in this part of Northern Ireland most people tend to drive between 35 & 45 which considering the width of the roads and the usual brown slush on them is very sensible.
The limit on our and surrounding roads is 60, there are two blind bends where in daylight you go round in single figures and maybe 15 mph in the dark.
We see more people riding horses passing by than driving tractors, and more people driving tractors than driving cars.
On the road between us and the sea everyday you see around 200 cows (numbers on their backsides) leaving the sheds around 5-30am and returning @ 15-45 . Country living, I love it.

 

[Llanigraham]

Full circle to my earlier comments. Incredible that so many people are happy to keep putting up with it when these bad habits keep killing and maiming people, even to the point of arguing against trying to make any changes!

And lots of us are telling you that this "bad driving" is done by a very small minority of drivers and when they are caught they are treated severely.

 

[Mag_seven]

This thread has run its course.