Overground/Crossrail takeover of Greater Anglia inners

[Wolfie]

I'd suggest that it might be better to create a separate RailWiki, as the MediaWiki software is open source so anyone can use it to host their own Wiki project. The level of detail that you're suggesting is better suited to a specialist railway encyclopaedia, rather than a general one.

Hum.. given what some of the posters on this forum have to say the mind rather boggles at what the AGA entry would say should your suggestion be implemented

 

[prod_pep]

That's a nice choice of moquette for the TfL Rail 315s and it makes the olive green vestibule partitions look a lot less odd. Good to see these improvements happening quickly as that pink can't disappear quickly enough!

 

[matt_world2004]

Rode a train from seven sisters to enfield town today. It appeared clean and I got rpi'd at enfield town.Which is definitely LOROL telling fare evaders there is a new kid on the block. At seven sisters I accidentally walked into a staff area thinking it was a waiting room. I also accidentally touched out on the behind barrier oyster validators at seven sisters which could have caused problems had I not been travelling under a concessionary ticket. I noticed several people who were old enough to have a freedom pass travelling on paper tickets.

So IMO

1.) Better communication needs to happen about freedom pass validity on the route.
2.) Signage at seven sisters need improving a lot
3.) Weekend frequency needs improving.
4.) Behind barrier oyster validators need removing.

PS: sorry to the rpi's for not making conversation today. I got into a bit of a panic when I saw you and remembering touching out.

 

[transmanche]

I noticed several people who were old enough to have a freedom pass travelling on paper tickets.

So IMO

1.) Better communication needs to happen about freedom pass validity on the route.

But Freedom Passes have been valid on that route (along with all other NR routes in Greater London[*]) for many, many years. The only change on the transfer to LO is that Freedom Passes will now be valid before 09:30 Mon-Fri.

*Except HEx and CTRL services, of course.

 

[Mojo]

4.) Behind barrier oyster validators need removing.

These are intended for customers who have arrived from outside the Oyster area, to change onto the Underground. Seven Sisters standalone validators are set to "continuation exit" so touching these mid-journey has no effect as to what you will be charged when you reach your actual destination, provided you touch out correctly there.

 

[VauxhallandI]

These are intended for customers who have arrived from outside the Oyster area, to change onto the Underground. Seven Sisters standalone validators are set to "continuation exit" so touching these mid-journey has no effect as to what you will be charged when you reach your actual destination, provided you touch out correctly there.

Indeed they need to stay so I can transfer from paper season to oyster at the weekends.

In fact they could with being better highlighted as when it is packed you can be whisked along and forget by the crowd. To be fair the beeping noise is usually my reminder.

 

[matt_world2004]

These are intended for customers who have arrived from outside the Oyster area, to change onto the Underground. Seven Sisters standalone validators are set to "continuation exit" so touching these mid-journey has no effect as to what you will be charged when you reach your actual destination, provided you touch out correctly there.

Are there any services that arrive from outside the oyster area now that use seven sisters station?

 

[450.emu]

I can't work out if the designer used to play this game (Yars Revenge) on the Atari 2600 as a child, or stared at the loading screen on a Commodore 64.

I used to love that game!

I think the Oyster validators at Bruce Grove need to be re-positioned as it can be too easy to walk by and not touch in / out. Still with old signage outside where the BR logo is on the corner. Stoke Newington needs
new signage outside as well.

 

[Essexman]

Very good that Romford - Upminster is now running to about 22.00 - later than I ever remember - it use to finish just after 21.00 before it was cut back an hour or so some years ago.
I used it yesterday and whilst I can't tell you the train class it was one with tables throughout that's been on the line every so often in the last few weeks - the best one they use in my opinion.
Good to see member of staff at Emerson park once year. He got on the train and travelled to Romford and back. Walked through one coach and said good morning which was nice, but in my view a walk through the whole train and checking a few tickets would be a better use of his time.

 

[jopsuk]

Are there any services that arrive from outside the oyster area now that use seven sisters station?

No, but there's no reason why you couldn't have a ticket from outside the zones, changing at Chesunt.

 

[Philip C]

No, but there's no reason why you couldn't have a ticket from outside the zones, changing at Chesunt.

If you have a look at posting #116 on this thread you will see that I list trains from beyond Cheshunt which travel via Seven Sisters and all of these call there. It includes trains from Cambridge, Stansted Airport and Hertford East.

Hope that this helps.

PS The confusion may well arise from TfL not showing these trains in its timetables.

 

[450.emu]

Very good that Romford - Upminster is now running to about 22.00 - later than I ever remember - it use to finish just after 21.00 before it was cut back an hour or so some years ago.
I used it yesterday and whilst I can't tell you the train class it was one with tables throughout that's been on the line every so often in the last few weeks - the best one they use in my opinion.
Good to see member of staff at Emerson park once year. He got on the train and travelled to Romford and back. Walked through one coach and said good morning which was nice, but in my view a walk through the whole train and checking a few tickets would be a better use of his time.

Good to see things improving. I wouldn't be surprised if TfL take over some of SWT's metro stuff soon
http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/1..._Or_will_they_be_ousted_by_TfL_/?ref=mr&lp=20

 

[Kite159]

Good to see things improving. I wouldn't be surprised if TfL take over some of SWT's metro stuff soon
http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/1..._Or_will_they_be_ousted_by_TfL_/?ref=mr&lp=20

That will be when Crossrail 2 gets agreed & built

 

[JaJaWa]

Good to see things improving. I wouldn't be surprised if TfL take over some of SWT's metro stuff soon
http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/1..._Or_will_they_be_ousted_by_TfL_/?ref=mr&lp=20

With Crossrail 2 looking pretty likely I think that's quite possible

Edit: mentioned above!

 

[jon0844]

Right, I have to ask (meant to earlier).. How many passengers have used one of the new LO services and thought they were new trains?

Nobody? Surely nobody could?!

Well, my dad was convinced that the train (315 CHN to LST) we took yesterday, with new vinyls outside and the new LO moquette on the seats was a new train! He didn't believe me when I said it was a train from the late 70s/early 80s. He genuinely thought the new service had new trains and didn't twig, any more than my mum did about Virgin taking over East Coast and still using the same trains.

They do look smarter and clean, but I am amazed they can appear brand new to anyone - but now I'm not so sure!

 

[JaJaWa]

Right, I have to ask (meant to earlier).. How many passengers have used one of the new LO services and thought they were new trains?

Nobody? Surely nobody could?!

Well, my dad was convinced that the train (315 CHN to LST) we took yesterday, with new vinyls outside and the new LO moquette on the seats was a new train! He didn't believe me when I said it was a train from the late 70s/early 80s. He genuinely thought the new service had new trains and didn't twig, any more than my mum did about Virgin taking over East Coast and still using the same trains.

They do look smarter and clean, but I am amazed they can appear brand new to anyone - but now I'm not so sure!

I think it's partly down to the "retro" look of the moquette and colour scheme. If First was running it then their purple and pink look very out of place with the age of the train, but with the trains now much cleaner (aside from the lack of air conditioning) they feel new just to an older style of design.

 

[bicbasher]

Right, I have to ask (meant to earlier).. How many passengers have used one of the new LO services and thought they were new trains?

Nobody? Surely nobody could?!

Well, my dad was convinced that the train (315 CHN to LST) we took yesterday, with new vinyls outside and the new LO moquette on the seats was a new train! He didn't believe me when I said it was a train from the late 70s/early 80s. He genuinely thought the new service had new trains and didn't twig, any more than my mum did about Virgin taking over East Coast and still using the same trains.

They do look smarter and clean, but I am amazed they can appear brand new to anyone - but now I'm not so sure!

My mother was the same when the Southern 455s got a refurb.

 

[slick]

After driving around in 315817 (LO Livery) today the general consensus from the public was indeed that it was a new train. Strange really. But whats refreshing is that through the whole of todays job my train was met at EVERY station all the way up until I finished (past midnight) on all three lines by a member of staff checking everything was ok, and generally being visable to passengers, as well as a significant revenue presence though-out the day. Not to mention litter wise I was unable to even spot so much a crisp packet on any of the usually filth ridden platforms. From somebody who has worked under NX and GA prior, was a bit of a shock a good one. Lets hope they continue to improve in time.

 

[jon0844]

It's interesting that a train as old as a 315 can get a fairly simple refresh and look new, getting loads of people to no doubt say excellent things about it - and LO in general, yet the anti AGA mob are saying that the class 317s and 321s are unfit for purpose and need to go etc.

Any talk of refreshing them is met with derision and insults for even daring to suggest you could force people paying thousands a year to travel on trains more than just ten years old.

 

[SPADTrap]

It's interesting that a train as old as a 315 can get a fairly simple refresh and look new, getting loads of people to no doubt say excellent things about it - and LO in general, yet the anti AGA mob are saying that the class 317s and 321s are unfit for purpose and need to go etc.

Any talk of refreshing them is met with derision and insults for even daring to suggest you could force people paying thousands a year to travel on trains more than just ten years old.

Although on TL all they do is moan about the new trains they're getting so would it be the same here? Hopefully the new 317/6 is well received.

 

[TheNewNo2]

Right, I have to ask (meant to earlier).. How many passengers have used one of the new LO services and thought they were new trains?

Nobody? Surely nobody could?!

Well, my dad was convinced that the train (315 CHN to LST) we took yesterday, with new vinyls outside and the new LO moquette on the seats was a new train! He didn't believe me when I said it was a train from the late 70s/early 80s. He genuinely thought the new service had new trains and didn't twig, any more than my mum did about Virgin taking over East Coast and still using the same trains.

They do look smarter and clean, but I am amazed they can appear brand new to anyone - but now I'm not so sure!

It's interesting that a train as old as a 315 can get a fairly simple refresh and look new, getting loads of people to no doubt say excellent things about it - and LO in general, yet the anti AGA mob are saying that the class 317s and 321s are unfit for purpose and need to go etc.

Any talk of refreshing them is met with derision and insults for even daring to suggest you could force people paying thousands a year to travel on trains more than just ten years old.

This is what people who are so against cascades (and especially the D-Train) seem to ignore. The travelling public don't care if the train was built in 2015 or 1815, so long as it is clean and smart (inside and out) and gets them to where they're going in time.

 

[Sleepy]

TFL Rail screwed up their service from Liverpool St. this evening, some suggestion that they tried to blame Network Rail but appears they had internal communication issues !

 

[387star]

Initial tweets about train failures were tellingly worded 'trains we inherited' whilst aga have sent an amusing tweet to a guy wanting them back; 'do you miss us?' All good fun

 

[devon_metro]

Initial tweets about train failures were tellingly worded 'trains we inherited' whilst aga have sent an amusing tweet to a guy wanting them back; 'do you miss us?' All good fun

Still only 'Minor Delays' as far as TfL were concerned on their website. I arrived at Stratford earlier on the central line and don't think i've ever seen so many people on platform 8 (towards Shenfield). There must have been ~500 people left behind from joining the train I witnessed at about half 5!

 

[matt_world2004]

Still only 'Minor Delays' as far as TfL were concerned on their website. I arrived at Stratford earlier on the central line and don't think i've ever seen so many people on platform 8 (towards Shenfield). There must have been ~500 people left behind from joining the train I witnessed at about half 5!

It was saying severe delays at some point today on city mapper the reason given was ambiguous

 

[nicobobinus]

8 cars of spotless 317/7 on the 1900 to Enfield Town this evening. Genuinely impressed by how well the interior has scrubbed up with a bit of TLC and a damn good clean, it felt as though a full refurbishment had been recently executed.

Struggled a bit to keep to time but the 317s always have on the stoppers. RTT shows it made it to Enfield on time.

 

[387star]

What is London Overground hiding about urgent maintenance on the 315s resulting in short formations? Did aga run the 315s down to the ground before takeover? With months of planning seems very odd whilst 317/7s were hardly used by aga

https://twitter.com/ldnoverground/status/607970393723412482

Also:

@emmakniveton: @LDNOverground absolutely awful service since you took over the Chingford-liverpool St service. How do I make an official complaint please?

 

[jon0844]

Is it simply that TfL wants to get these trains done up inside and out to protect the brand, and that means taking serviceable trains out of service?

AGA had precious few spares which is arguably why such refreshes have taken so long, or not happened at all, and maybe we can see why this wasn't such a bad thing.

 

[Aictos]

Using a TfL Rail managed station earlier, to say I wasn't impressed with both their CS and station is a understatement

 

[matt_world2004]

Using a TfL Rail managed station earlier, to say I wasn't impressed with both their CS and station is a understatement

What was wrong with it?