ABB125
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I've created this thread to avoid cluttering up the speed cameras thread. Basically, it's a bit like the Aviation Discussion thread, but for roads/cars!
Here are the most recent posts from the speed camera thread:
Here are the most recent posts from the speed camera thread:
Can you be overtaking (in lane 2) if you can't see the vehicle you're overtaking (further ahead in lane 1) at the time? I'm thinking of the M20 just outside London which is quite hilly and has lots of HGV use. So a "middle lane hogger" at 65 could legitimately be overtaking the next lorry at 60 even if they don't know it yet![]()
Sometimes one sees a vehicle using the middle lane when the first lane is clear. I like to move from the first to the second to the third to overtake them, signalling clearly then the same 3-2-1, wondering if the member of CLOD (Center Lane Owner Drivers) might wake up and move over.
No need to get too upset, I don't suppose they cause many 'accidents' through their relaxed driving style.
Every day is a school day - I thought it was, but evidently not! I always wondered how the law made a distinction between undertaking in constant streams of traffic and doing so on emptier roads. Answer - it doesn’t.
You just need to be careful in case they move back without signalling or looking!
From the highway code:
Not illegal (it is not "You Must Not..."), but it is poor practice, except during congestion.
Undertaking certainly should be restricted. More rules are needed!
I’d say compared to being in Lane 3 of a 4 lane motorway, doing 65 with nothing in lanes 1 or 2 for a few hundred metres, and not paying the slightest bit of attention to what’s coming up behind you... then carefully undertaking in Lane 1 is the lesser of two evils there!
And if one were to, accidentally, lean on the horn for 3 seconds whilst completing the manoeuvre, whilst your child gesticulated wildly at then from the back seat, then that would be a remarkable coincidence.
Granted
I do personally do that occasionally with Lane 3 hoggers (usually on a 4 lane motorway) - carefully undertake using Lane 1, with Lane 2 clear as a "barrier lane".
Depending on the circumstances it *could* be prosecuted as driving without due care and attention, but then so can middle lane hogging - if the middle lane wasn't being hogged there would be no need for it.
Assuming lane 3/4 is available, though, I find one of the most satisfying acts available legally on the motorway (!) is to approach a middle-lane-hogger in the left lane, then, indicating correctly and leaving appropriate safe distances, to indicate, pull out to lane 3, overtake, and again indicating return to lane 1. Very often this wakes them up and they move left.
It's up there with being incredibly polite to someone who's giving you a gobful on the phone.
There is nothing wrong with passing on the left.
If:
A lorry is in the left hand lane going 55mph
You are in the middle lane doing 70mph
An idiot is in the right lane doing 65mph
...there is nothing wrong with passing the idiot to his left. He shouldn't be in that lane if he isn't "making progress".
Being behind someone and undertaking in a fast or aggressive manoeuvre isn't clever though, and in some situations can amount to careless driving.
Yes I do that too, but increasingly it seems to have no effect.
or she. Let’s not be presumptious!
Do carry on!Rule 264: You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear
If you're in the left lane, no need to exit the left lane unless the left lane is blocked - indeed you positively shouldn't leave the left lane unless it's not clear