Paper TfL travel card extension

[VauxhallandI]

If someone has a paper travel card and wants to travel beyond their zone how do they do that?

Especially in the light of a lack of ticket offices to buy and extension

 

[JonathanH]

If someone has a paper travel card and wants to travel beyond their zone how do they do that?

Especially in the light of a lack of ticket offices to buy and extension

They can buy a ticket from Boundary of Zone x to their destination from the ticket office, or from certain ticket machines, which have such tickets as an option.

 

[Hadders]

Or alternatively if you are unable to purchase a ticket from 'Boundary Zone x' you can purchase a ticket from the boundary station. There is no requirement for the train to call at the boundary station but it can offer less flexibility.

For example, say you hold a Zones 1-6 travelcard and wish to travel to Cambridge. A Boundary Zone 6 to Cambridge ticket would allow you to travel from Kings Cross via either Hadley Wood or Crews Hill or From Liverpool Street via either Turkey Street or Enfield Lock. A ticket from a specific boundary station would limit you to trains via that route only.

 

[VauxhallandI]

They can buy a ticket from Boundary of Zone x to their destination from the ticket office, or from certain ticket machines, which have such tickets as an option.

Should really load the season on to an Oyster?

Or alternatively if you are unable to purchase a ticket from 'Boundary Zone x' you can purchase a ticket from the boundary station. There is no requirement for the train to call at the boundary station but it can offer less flexibility.

For example, say you hold a Zones 1-6 travelcard and wish to travel to Cambridge. A Boundary Zone 6 to Cambridge ticket would allow you to travel from Kings Cross via either Hadley Wood or Crews Hill or From Liverpool Street via either Turkey Street or Enfield Lock. A ticket from a specific boundary station would limit you to trains via that route only.

This is all within London zones.
Ta

 

[Hadders]

This is all within London zones.

In that case loading the ticket on Oyster is a no brainer. Just add some PAYG credit and the appropriate fare will be charged if you travel outside your zones. If you travel outside the Oyster PAYG area then you can buy a paper Boundary Zone ticket as above.

If it's an annual travelcard then get the Gold Card discount loaded onto the Oyster card for discounted off peak travel outside of your zones.

 

[VauxhallandI]

In that case loading the ticket on Oyster is a no brainer. Just add some PAYG credit and the appropriate fare will be charged if you travel outside your zones. If you travel outside the Oyster PAYG area then you can buy a paper Boundary Zone ticket as above.

If it's an annual travelcard then get the Gold Card discount loaded onto the Oyster card for discounted off peak travel outside of your zones.

Yes it’s an annual I believe.

zone 1 and 2.

Do they take the paper one away when it’s loaded on to an oyster. No gold card on a zone 1 and 2?

 

[Haywain]

This is all within London zones

If the final destination is a National Rail station a Boundary Zone ticket will be available, even within the zones. However, I am not sure what you would need if the destination is an Underground station.

Yes it’s an annual I believe.

zone 1 and 2.

Do they take the paper one away when it’s loaded on to an oyster. No gold card on a zone 1 and 2?

An annual Travelcard should be ableto be put on Oyster, but where it was purchased could make that problematic. All annual seasons have a Gold Card entitlement, but if it's on Oyster or a smartcard it will be issued as a separate Gold Record Card.

 

[Hadders]

Do they take the paper one away when it’s loaded on to an oyster. No gold card on a zone 1 and 2?

You get a paper Gold Record card to show you have an annual Travelcard with Gold Card status.

If the final destination is a National Rail station a Boundary Zone ticket will be available, even within the zones. However, I am not sure what you would need if the destination is an Underground station.

Good point. Boundary Zone tickets are National Rail tickets and only valid to National Rail services AFAIK.

If your destination is an Underground station you’d have three choices:

1 Buy a paper ticket from the last station covered by your Travelcard to your destination, which would be tricky as I doubt the Underground has a ‘tickets from another station’ on their POMs.

2. Alight at the last station your Travelcard is valid at so you can touch in to use contactless or oyster for the rest of your journey. This would almost certainly mean you’d have to step back a train.

3. Use oyster or contactless for your whole journey.

 

[VauxhallandI]

You get a paper Gold Record card to show you have an annual Travelcard with Gold Card status.


Good point. Boundary Zone tickets are National Rail tickets and only valid to National Rail services AFAIK.

If your destination is an Underground station you’d have three choices:

1 Buy a paper ticket from the last station covered by your Travelcard to your destination, which would be tricky as I doubt the Underground has a ‘tickets from another station’ on their POMs.

2. Alight at the last station your Travelcard is valid at so you can touch in to use contactless or oyster for the rest of your journey. This would almost certainly mean you’d have to step back a train.

3. Use oyster or contactless for your whole journey.

It is another underground station, probably canons parks

 

[Haywain]

It is another underground station, probably canons parks

In which case, option 3 from Hadders' post, or the inconvenience of option 2. Option 1 is just ludicrously expensive in comparison.

 

[VauxhallandI]

Thanks all, it does seem odd that it’s so hard unless you are oyster

 

[Haywain]

Thanks all, it does seem odd that it’s so hard unless you are oyster

That's the way TfL like it. It's much cheaper for them.

 

[swt_passenger]

Thanks all, it does seem odd that it’s so hard unless you are oyster

Paper fares are pretty much intended as a distress purchase really.

There’s just been a thread in this forum from someone who was surprised when his usual £6.30 paper zone 1 single was only £2.50 on contactless…

 

[VauxhallandI]

That's the way TfL like it. It's much cheaper for them.

This is true

Paper fares are pretty much intended as a distress purchase really.

There’s just been a thread in this forum from someone who was surprised when his usual £6.30 paper zone 1 single was only £2.50 on contactless…

Wow

 

[Hadders]

It is another underground station, probably canons parks

Where does the journey start?

If you're interchanging from the Met to the Jubilee at Finchley Road then this would be a convenient station to pop up to the barrier line, exit with your paper ticket and re-enter using contactless or Oyster.

 

[VauxhallandI]

Where does the journey start?

If you're interchanging from the Met to the Jubilee at Finchley Road then this would be a convenient station to pop up to the barrier line, exit with your paper ticket and re-enter using contactless or Oyster.

He will be coming in from North Acton I believe.

As he will be travelling with others I think an oyster or contactless without his travel card is going to be his option probably but thanks all for the info

 

[miklcct]

That's the way TfL like it. It's much cheaper for them.

However most outboundary Travelcards can't be put on an Oyster card.

 

[Hadders]

However most outboundary Travelcards can't be put on an Oyster card.

This isn’t about outboundary Travelcards. An outboundary Travelcard is normally only issued to Zones 1-6 so the specific issue in this thread doesn’t arise.

 

[miklcct]

An outboundary Travelcard is normally only issued to Zones 1-6 so the specific issue in this thread doesn’t arise.

An outboundary Travelcard can be issued to any inner boundary, for example, Zones 2-6, so the specific issue in this thread arise if one does an occasional trip into Zone 1. For example, someone requiring Victoria on a Cambridge - Zones 2-6 season Travelcard will face the same problem as the zonal boundary is crossed on the Victoria line.

 

[Alex365Dash]

If the final destination is a National Rail station a Boundary Zone ticket will be available, even within the zones. However, I am not sure what you would need if the destination is an Underground station.

Where the final destination is an Underground station, you can buy a ticket from a National Rail station from Boundary Zone 2 to London Underground Zones 3-5 route VIA UNDERGRD/DLR for £6.30 single, £12.60 return, but at that point it’s just cheaper to use Oyster or contactless throughout.

I’m unsure as to what exactly would be issued at an LU station, possibly an Extension Ticket?

However most outboundary Travelcards can't be put on an Oyster card.

For example, someone requiring Victoria on a Cambridge - Zones 2-6 season Travelcard will face the same problem as the zonal boundary is crossed on the Victoria line.

Whilst you make a valid point, I suspect that’s a TfL policy issue!
At the minute, you’d have to buy a Boundary Zone 2 to London Underground Zone 1 ticket for £6.30 single, £12.60 return, at which point it is again just cheaper to use contactless at a £3.70 peak, £3 off-peak single fare!