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Passenger accident at Hayes & Harlington station Report

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SpacePhoenix

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Just spotted that this court case which I believe is about the incident:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-dragged-along-train-platform-10916864

A jury was played CCTV footage of the dramatic moment Neelan Malik got her hand trapped as she ran to catch the train driven by Stephen Murdoch

CCTV images show Neelan Malik getting trapped in the train door at Hayes and Harlington station in London's outer western suburbs

A train passenger was pulled over and dragged along the platform after the driver left a station with her hand trapped in a door, a court has heard.

Stephen Murdoch, 45, left the platform even though passenger Neelan Malik was caught up in a closed door forcing her to run and keep up, it was alleged.

The 60-year-old eventually managed to free herself from the doors and fell to the ground suffering severe bruising.

Ms Malik had arrived just as the train was leaving from Hayes and Harlington station in west London around 1pm on July 25, 2015.
Train driver Stephen Murdoch leaves Blackfriars Magistrates Court in South London (Image: SWNS.com)

As she rushed to get on she put her hand out as the door closed in the last carriage of the train and was held trapped for at least nine seconds before the train moved off.

Other passengers looked on as she ran alongside before her hand came free and Mrs Malik said she was lucky to be alive.

Murdoch is on trial at Blackfriars Crown Court accused of failing to carry out proper safety checks before driving off.

He is charged with endangering the safety of rail passengers, by wilful omission or neglect by failing to check the length of the train was clear before leaving the station.

The jury were played CCTV footage of the dramatic moment Ms Malik got her hand trapped as she ran to catch the train, and then was dragged along the platform.

There's more text to that story, just view the story on the Mirror website for the full text
 
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You'd think with the country's cities going to hell in a handcart with all sorts of violent crime rocketing skyward the CPS would have better things to do with their time than prosecute people who have done nothing more than do their job (while coping with stupid people choosing to endanger themselves).

It's interesting that a guard or a driver must be absolutely certain to carry out a slew of safety checks right every single time or potentially face prison time if someone happens to hurt themselves out of their own idiocy, and yet those working for the CPS face no penalty at all for their life-impacting actions, or even incompetence.

Maybe if their staff risked being sent to prison for failing to do something precisely right (or perhaps even when they have) then they might have a different outlook.

In this case, the person who has had their life turned upside down has been found innocent of any wrongdoing. Not the first one in recent weeks.

http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/up...guilty-after-woman-is-dragged-along-platform/

A train driver who pulled away from a station and dragged a woman along the platform after her hand became stuck in a door has been cleared of endangering passenger safety.

Stephen Murdoch, 45, left the platform even though passenger Neelan Malik was caught up in a closed door, forcing her to run and keep up.

She managed to free herself from the doors before the end of the platform at Hayes and Harlington station in west London, in July 2015.
Murdoch was charged with endangering the safety of rail passengers, by wilful omission or neglect by failing to check the length of the train was clear before leaving the station.

It’s was alleged during his four-day trial at Blackfriars Crown Court he failed to carry out proper safety checks before driving away from the station.

However the jury found him not guilty of the single count after two hours and 51 minutes of deliberation.

The jury were played CCTV footage of the dramatic moment Ms Malik got her hand trapped as she ran to catch the train, and then was dragged along the platform.

However the court heard there was a malfunction with a warning system in the driver's cab of the train, which did not illuminate to say there was an obstruction in the door.
 
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You'd think with the country's cities going to hell in a handcart with all sorts of violent crime rocketing skyward the CPS would have better things to do with their time than prosecute people who have done nothing more than do their job (while coping with stupid people choosing to endanger themselves)....
I've made my views clear on the CPS and our legal system generally previously, but the whole system seems to be geared up towards wrecking the lives of professionals and/or easy targets, rather than going for the perpetrators of violent crime :(
 

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If ever there was a legitimate reason for a national down-tools, it's this.
 

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I've made my views clear on the CPS and our legal system generally previously, but the whole system seems to be geared up towards wrecking the lives of professionals and/or easy targets, rather than going for the perpetrators of violent crime :(

Can the driver who has been through months of hell get compensation from these vicious public sector idiots?- the moron who caused it has been rewarded handsomely for their stupidity.
 

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Can we look forward to Tim O'Toole, as Chief Exec of First Group, calling for the dismissal of the head of the CPS for bringing such an inappropriate case against one of their employees.

No. Thought not.
 

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I think that GWR would have been well within their rights to go for a bylaw prosecution of the passenger in this case rather than paying out, I should think they'd have got more public support than they imagined.

On the doors there are clear instructions reminding passengers not to board the train whilst the doors are closing. Passengers also agree to the NRCoC when purchasing a ticket, the publicity from such an action would probably have discouraged people from trying in the future.

Paying up gives exactly the wrong message IMHO.
 

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I think that GWR would have been well within their rights to go for a bylaw prosecution of the passenger in this case rather than paying out, I should think they'd have got more public support than they imagined.

On the doors there are clear instructions reminding passengers not to board the train whilst the doors are closing. Passengers also agree to the NRCoC when purchasing a ticket, the publicity from such an action would probably have discouraged people from trying in the future.

Paying up gives exactly the wrong message IMHO.

Exactly. Can the driver get compensation from the idiot who ruined months of his life?
 

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Can we look forward to Tim O'Toole, as Chief Exec of First Group, calling for the dismissal of the head of the CPS for bringing such an inappropriate case against one of their employees.

No. Thought not.

Who is to say that the CPS action was inappropriate?

A lot of people have prosecutions hanging over their heads for all sorts of alleged offences.
 

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Members of the public are well used to automatic doors in many walks of life. Trains are just one of many such cases they encounter. Lifts in buildings (and indeed in railway stations, getting you to the platform) are familiar to all, and the manner in which their doors retract again if you put your hand between the door leaves is widely known. I bet the RAIB office has lifts just like this. Nobody would expect the lift to just start off and chop your hand off, and no lift manufacturer could possible get away with such a product.

So we have to ask why are trains different.

IMHO, trains and lifts are very different due to the difference in the numbers using them.
Only a small minority of lifts have a capacity of more than a dozen people and most of those are seldom used by more than a dozen.
Trains by contrast routinely carry hundreds.

Placing a hand between closing lift doors should cause the doors to open again, this delays everyone else in the lift and is irritating to those persons. This is considered acceptable in view of the small numbers involved.
Delay of say 15 seconds to say 6 people is a total of one and a half delay minutes.

Now consider a rush hour train with 900 passengers. If the doors re-opened when obstructed, a 15 second delay is a total of 225 delay minutes.
In practice it would be far worse, on a busy train several doors might be held open, and remember that each re opening would probably attract another latecomer costing another half minute at least whilst they try and board.
I doubt that an effective rush hour service could be run if train doors automatically re-opened when obstructed.
 

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I doubt that an effective rush hour service could be run if train doors automatically re-opened when obstructed.

Somehow London underground manages just fine... I accept that there are differences in dispatch procedure and staffing responsibilities thereupon, but I think if it's generally seen as acceptable for doors to automatically reopen and close upon detecting an obstruction on railway as busy as the tube, it's probably just fine elsewhere too.

It's all a bit of a moot point really anyway. If there was a fault with the train meaning the driver was unable to effectively carry out his duties (ensuring passenger safety. for instance), then the responsibility lies squarely with First Group.
 

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I think the concern that a lot of people have about the CPS is that it appears very difficult for them to be held accountable for their actions, regardless of what those actions may be.

Additionally, since they have access to public funds, they can throw very considerable sums of money at a prosecution, far more than a defendant could afford. As has been pointed out on these forums before, the justice you receive is as only as good as the resources you have.
 

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Somehow London underground manages just fine... I accept that there are differences in dispatch procedure and staffing responsibilities thereupon, but I think if it's generally seen as acceptable for doors to automatically reopen and close upon detecting an obstruction on railway as busy as the tube, it's probably just fine elsewhere too.

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The problem with that is that if a tube train is delayed by such an event then it doesn't have a catastrophic knock on effect to other trains going to other destinations(don't be pedantic, you knew what I mean) so therefore they can deal with holding the train a while to get it dispatched correctly
 

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It's all a bit of a moot point really anyway. If there was a fault with the train meaning the driver was unable to effectively carry out his duties (ensuring passenger safety. for instance), then the responsibility lies squarely with First Group.

If its the 'fault' I'm thinking of, then its a well known issue rather than a specific 'fault'

I suspect the Journalist has reworded the article to be easily understood rather than the technical details.
 

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I think the concern that a lot of people have about the CPS is that it appears very difficult for them to be held accountable for their actions, regardless of what those actions may be.

Additionally, since they have access to public funds, they can throw very considerable sums of money at a prosecution, far more than a defendant could afford. As has been pointed out on these forums before, the justice you receive is as only as good as the resources you have.

The CPS are often caught between a rock and a hard place, whatever they do somebody isn't going to be happy.
 

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Somehow London underground manages just fine... I accept that there are differences in dispatch procedure and staffing responsibilities thereupon, but I think if it's generally seen as acceptable for doors to automatically reopen and close upon detecting an obstruction on railway as busy as the tube, it's probably just fine elsewhere too.

It's all a bit of a moot point really anyway. If there was a fault with the train meaning the driver was unable to effectively carry out his duties (ensuring passenger safety. for instance), then the responsibility lies squarely with First Group.

The doors on LU do not reopen automatically when obstructed. The newest trains open slightly to aid clearing the obstruction, but certainly not fully. Every time doors have to be reopened one way or another this causes a delay, plus you're introducing the possibility (for that read likelihood) that someone else will then obstruct the doors and you're back to square one. Sometimes re-opening has to happen from a safety perspective, but from a service perspective it's anything but just fine. Try coming down a route like the Bank branch in the rush hour with a bit of a gap in front of you, have to keep reopening because people obstruct the doors, lose more time as a result so the gap in front of you is now massive, and still say it's just fine!
 

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Now consider a rush hour train with 900 passengers. If the doors re-opened when obstructed, a 15 second delay is a total of 225 delay minutes.

Only if all 900 people individually, and sequentially, every 15 seconds, got something obstructed in a door, a situation which is never going to happen. The world is not linear in nature, unfortunately the human mind likes to pretend it is.
 

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Isn't this what TfL/Underground mean by their 'lost customer hours' measure. I.e. 600 passengers delayed by one minute for whatever reason = 10 lost hours.
 

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Somehow London underground manages just fine...

Which line, because I cannot think of any where the doors automatically reopen when obstruction is detected?
 

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I think the concern that a lot of people have about the CPS is that it appears very difficult for them to be held accountable for their actions, regardless of what those actions may be.
Very true; I'd like to see them prosecuted for pursuing cases against the public interest, and going for ordinary law-abiding citizens rather than violent criminals. They need to be brought to account.
Who is to say that the CPS action was inappropriate?
A great many sensible people!

CPS have been caught red-handed acting inappropriately and wasting public money on numerous occasions; some recent examples were posted on this forum.
 

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Which line, because I cannot think of any where the doors automatically reopen when obstruction is detected?

It's a feature of the S stock - if they detect an obstruction, they'll move back open a small amount, pause briefly and then try to close again. They'll do this three times before then not re-opening at which point any obstruction would have to mean re-releasing all the doors. Easy to observe this at Wimbledon in the morning rush!
 

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Only if all 900 people individually, and sequentially, every 15 seconds, got something obstructed in a door, a situation which is never going to happen. The world is not linear in nature, unfortunately the human mind likes to pretend it is.

It's still enough to mess up the service. In reality, re-opening the doors and having to repeat the whole closure sequence often costs more like 20 or more seconds, and once the doors are re-opened the odds are someone (only takes one) does it again and the whole thing happens again if not again. Having now lost a minute, your dwell times are now increasingly shot as the journey progresses - more people on the train, more people on the platforms, more difficulty getting the doors closed and pilot light illuminating, and more chance of having to re-open either due to someone obstructing the doors or because the pilot light has not illuminated. All of a sudden you have a potential 6 or 7 minute gap in the service. This does happen, and any Underground driver will quite happily give examples.

On the subject of automatic re-opening, the Tyne and Wear Metro's metro cars had this feature, they may still do. All okay until someone thought the doors would re-open and obstructed them, only on that occasion the mechanism was defective and the doors didn't re-open. The result became the subject of a RAIB report. A harder line was then taken against people deliberately obstructing doors. An automatic reopening system in my view creates more issues than it solves, not least encouraging passengers to break byelaws. Some LU drivers will chuck people off the train for obstructing the doors, especially if they do it just behind the cab, and quite rightly so in my view.
 
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It's a feature of the S stock - if they detect an obstruction, they'll move back open a small amount, pause briefly and then try to close again. They'll do this three times before then not re-opening at which point any obstruction would have to mean re-releasing all the doors. Easy to observe this at Wimbledon in the morning rush!

I see, he means opening a little bit rather than fully.
 

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Other passengers looked on as she ran alongside before her hand came free and Mrs Malik said she was lucky to be alive.

And nobody pulled the emergency brake / operated the passcom?
 

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Exactly. Can the driver get compensation from the idiot who ruined months of his life?

Who's that idiot? The one responsible for maintaining the warning system that was meant to show the door was obstructed?
 
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