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birchesgreen

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Yesterday i was on a train from York to Harrogate, from Cattal to Knaresborough the driver was joined in the cab by a Network Rail person with "pilotman" on an armband. What exactly was going on here and is it normal for this line.

I thought maybe the driver didn't have route knowledge but on a different train coming back the pilotman came aboard again so i assume it was something else?
 
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A Pilotman is in charge of trains going through a section of line under Single line working (when trains are running both ways on one line) and with a couple of exceptions will accompany every train over that section. They will also go with every train to and from a point of obstruction, when there is a block failure with no communication between signal boxes, a Signaller cannot be sure a single line is clear after the passage of each train or during the failure of signalling on a 'One train working' line. I don't know how the line is worked between Cattal and Knaresborough but if a Pilotman is out then something has gone wrong.

You can read about Pilotman working in Rulebooks P1 and P2.
 
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A Pilotman is in charge of trains going through a section of line under Single line working (when trains are running both ways on one line) and with a couple of exceptions will accompany every train over that section. They will also go with every train to and from a point of obstruction, when there is a block failure with no communication between signal boxes, a Signaller cannot be sure a single line is clear after the passage of each train or during the failure of signalling on a 'One train working' line. I don't know how the line is worked between Cattal and Knaresborough but if a Pilotman is out then something has gone wrong.

You can read about Pilotman working in Rulebooks P1 and P2.

Are those rulebooks publicly available anywhere?
 

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I always thought that PILOT stood for Person In Lieu Of Token but perhaps that's just an old gangers story I was once told.
 

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Probably Working of a Single Line, Single Line Working or Temporary Block Working, quite rare in my neck of the woods where Single Line Working normally takes the form of a replacement bus service.

Driver9000 has explained it very well, can't really add too much except has anyone seen the video from the GNER era with hilariously bad acting which explains the role of the Pilotman? The Pilotman in that one walks up to the Driver's cab of a 91 and starts with "Hellooo Driver" in a high pitched Yorkshire accent. Driver squats in the cab door leaving the Pilotman in a slightly awkward position...
 

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Probably Working of a Single Line, Single Line Working or Temporary Block Working, quite rare in my neck of the woods where Single Line Working normally takes the form of a replacement bus service.
A Pilotman for TBW? Rules refresher required for you.
 

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Ah ok like a human token then perhaps, thanks!

Exactly. Recall one between Llanrwst and Llandudno Jn some years ago.

He didn't half scream when they pushed him into the token apparatus at the Junction!

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If you want to throw something extra into the mix you can have ESW, that's Emergency Special Working.
 

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I always thought that PILOT stood for Person In Lieu Of Token but perhaps that's just an old gangers story I was once told.

sounds like a classic backronym. The origin is far more likely just lifting the term from harbour pilots, who board ships to guide them in and out of ports.
 

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I always thought that PILOT stood for Person In Lieu Of Token but perhaps that's just an old gangers story I was once told.

That is what PILOT stands for, used as an acronym to shorten down saying "Hi Driver of 1B29, I'll be your person in lieu of token today". As we were told in training school anyways!
 

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Knaresborough - Cattal is worked by Electric Token Block. Pilotman working is introduced here when there is a failure of the token apparatus, and no token is available.
 

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At one time, many people use to refer to a Route Conductor as a Pilotman.

They still do, it's either a Pilot or Pilotman which can be a tad confusing, most newbies now seem to think of them as a conductor driver. Whilst the old skool tend to think Pilot (me included).
 

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Harrogate to York is a line with single line working at 3 locations.

Cattal to Knaresborough is one of the section that is single line working.

As the signalling system is old its done by tablet machines at each signal box with the driver taking the token with him on the train and handing it to the signal person at the other end.

So with a Pilotman on board the train it looks like the signal line working system was up the creek that day. It could be a tablet machine failure or more likely a cable fault between the two signal boxes. At least the trains was still running even if they had to return to old tried and tested system of working from the days of old.
 

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Harrogate to York is a line with single line working at 3 locations.

Cattal to Knaresborough is one of the section that is single line working.

As the signalling system is old its done by tablet machines at each signal box with the driver taking the token with him on the train and handing it to the signal person at the other end.

So with a Pilotman on board the train it looks like the signal line working system was up the creek that day. It could be a tablet machine failure or more likely a cable fault between the two signal boxes. At least the trains was still running even if they had to return to old tried and tested system of working from the days of old.
Electric key tokens, not tablets. There is a difference (a bit like referring to your toaster as an oven, both are appliances for heating food but the two words are not synonymous). The only section of line on Network Rail Infrastructure to use genuine bonafide Tyers tablets is Girvan to Stranraer.
 

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Electric key tokens, not tablets. There is a difference (a bit like referring to your toaster as an oven, both are appliances for heating food but the two words are not synonymous). The only section of line on Network Rail Infrastructure to use genuine bonafide Tyers tablets is Girvan to Stranraer.

aye, they're like something from the dark ages! Most of the time it's a tablet (We just call then tokens) only between Girvan - Barrhill - Glenwilly - Dunragit then one train staff working to Stranraer as the Stranraer box is normally closed these days. It is only open if there is a possession on between Dunragit - Stranraer or there is a charter scheduled in that requires to uncouple etc.

Some of the tablets are well worn bakelite and others are fairly new plastic ones. The token wallets are likely more than 50 years old and are well worn with the handle wire exposed as the leather is that worn!
 

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I found the BFT film about single line working with a pilot very interesting, even if there was a lot of paperwork and manpower involved. I'm guessing not a lot has changed.
 

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Most of the time it's a tablet (We just call then tokens) only between Girvan - Barrhill - Glenwilly - Dunragit then one train staff working to Stranraer as the Stranraer box is normally closed these days.

It's tablet only between Girvan - Barrhill - Glenwhilly - Dunragit all of the time, even when Stranraer Harbour box is open, because the Dunragit - Stranraer Harbour section is equipped with key token instruments, not tablet instruments.
 
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It's tablet only between Girvan - Barrhill - Glenwhilly - Dunragit all of the time, even when Stranraer Harbour box is open, because the Dunragit - Stranraer Harbour section is equipped with key token instruments, not tablet instruments.

I know, I sign the route. Just never explained it well. Stranraer box has never been open anytime I've been down over the last few years.
 

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Some of the tablets are well worn bakelite and others are fairly new plastic ones.
Shame. I've got a couple of the classic heavy old ones in brass mounted on the wall. They get shone up with the Brasso about once a year. They came from old Southern lines in Devon (the GWR lines all used aluminium Key Tokens, and I've some of those as well).

So with a Pilotman on board the train it looks like the signal line working system was up the creek that day. It could be a tablet machine failure or more likely a cable fault between the two signal boxes.
On the old Taunton branches the most common reason was neither (which would have been embarrassing to the S&T lineman), but loss of the token while running. The GWR token catchers, a scissors-like arrangement mounted on the tender front, allowed exchanges at about 30mph. Slight misalignment and the token would fly off in a spectacular parabola, generally into a drainage ditch or middle of a blackberry bush. Brakes on, if the signalman hadn't seen it go it would take too long to get the S&T lineman down to reset the token instruments, so the stationmaster donned the piilotman armband and spent the rest of the day going up and down.

Tokens being fumbled in a hand exchange and falling under the train wheels were a further amusement :)

David L Smith. in his books about the G&SW, had the best story (as always). Temporary single line working past some major works. Novice fireman. Driver picks up the big hoop to show how to do it, then tells his young colleague that "at the far end a man will stand with something to catch it, just hang the hoop over it as we pass slowly by". Unfortunately, as they approached, the surveyor is just setting up his theodolite alongside the line ....
 

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ISTR, a fatal accident was caused many years ago by the rules for token working not being followed.

A driver arrived at station B and handed to a young lad the token for the line between A and B.
This should have been exchanged for a different token for the line between B and C, but for some reason the token was not exchanged and the ORIGINAL token for the line between A and B was returned to the driver, who failed to examine it and set of from B towards C.

The resulting accident was blamed primarily on the engine driver failing to examine the token.
General "slackness in working" was also criticised by HMRI, including a young lad carrying out duties that should have been performed by someone more senior.
 

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ISTR, a fatal accident was caused many years ago by the rules for token working not being followed.

A driver arrived at station B and handed to a young lad the token for the line between A and B.
This should have been exchanged for a different token for the line between B and C, but for some reason the token was not exchanged and the ORIGINAL token for the line between A and B was returned to the driver, who failed to examine it and set of from B towards C.

The resulting accident was blamed primarily on the engine driver failing to examine the token.
General "slackness in working" was also criticised by HMRI, including a young lad carrying out duties that should have been performed by someone more senior.

Ah yes; the phrase "remember Abermule" (after the station where this accident took place) used to be written inside locomotive cabs/signal boxes in a prominent position; and it's still used as an example of what happens if you're not paying attention in training schools to this day.
 
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