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[PL] Access to timetable info and internet ticket sale restricted by geolocation.

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The original story, in Polish, is here. Here are the crucial bits, translated by DeepL:

PKP Informatyka blocks access to its services from some foreign servers. The biggest problems are said to affect those connecting from outside the European Union, although isolated cases of inability to check the timetable or purchase tickets have also affected some EU countries.

The possibility of complications has been confirmed by the company itself. - In connection with the introduction of the third alert level by the Prime Minister regarding threats in cyberspace, as well as the increased number of attacks on our company's ICT infrastructure, we have been using additional security mechanisms since February 2022, says Danuta Bartczak, assistant to the board of directors of PKP Informatyka. One such mechanism used is the blocking of IP addresses based on geolocation. No such restriction has been applied to any EU country or Ukrainian teritory.

So where could the problems with access to the search engine reported in the EU countries come from? - Monitoring of PKP Informatyka's security systems is carried out around the clock. If attacks are detected, individual IP addresses or sub-networks may be temporarily blocked. Such policy applies to all countries, including Poland.

The list of countries or regions from which access to services is not possible remains classified.
The third degree alert level was a hysterical reaction of the previous government. The current one has more urgent issues to deal with than to fix train ticket buying.
 
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PKP would not be unique in this regard, for example the Helsinki Regional Transport Authority (HSL) have been intermittently blocking all connections from abroad since around mid-2023 (so it is impossible to buy tickets, check timetables, view maps etc. from abroad - at least, on their website or app).

If PKP have not blocked domestic users or international users from the EU or Ukraine then it is obvious in the current context why it has been done. At least they appear to be dealing with it more proactively, as opposed to a simple blanket block.
It's a shame that operators of public transport (an "essential service" one might say) are deciding shutting up shop is the best way to deal with the sort of pseudo-warfare we are seeing; although it may be difficult to do anything else when coming up against what is essentially a state-backed force, with all the resources that entails.
A slight pain at best for those of us who want to plan from abroad!
 

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PKP would not be unique in this regard, for example the Helsinki Regional Transport Authority (HSL) have been intermittently blocking all connections from abroad since around mid-2023 (so it is impossible to buy tickets, check timetables, view maps etc. from abroad - at least, on their website or app).

If PKP have not blocked domestic users or international users from the EU or Ukraine then it is obvious in the current context why it has been done. At least they appear to be dealing with it more proactively, as opposed to a simple blanket block.
It's a shame that operators of public transport (an "essential service" one might say) are deciding shutting up shop is the best way to deal with the sort of pseudo-warfare we are seeing; although it may be difficult to do anything else when coming up against what is essentially a state-backed force, with all the resources that entails.
A slight pain at best for those of us who want to plan from abroad!

Presumably use of a free VPN would solve the problem - most include free nodes in various EU countries.
 

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Presumably use of a free VPN would solve the problem - most include free nodes in various EU countries.
Indeed it should (I haven't tried!), although perhaps well-advised to avoid entering personal/payment details via an untrusted VPN connection. The jury is out on that one - your mileage may vary - good enough to check timetables in any case.
PKP websites appear to be working in the UK - as intended - at least, so not necessary (for now!?).
 

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Presumably use of a free VPN would solve the problem - most include free nodes in various EU countries.

Indeed it should (I haven't tried!), although perhaps well-advised to avoid entering personal/payment details via an untrusted VPN connection. The jury is out on that one - your mileage may vary - good enough to check timetables in any case.
PKP websites appear to be working in the UK - as intended - at least, so not necessary (for now!?).

Though there exist what I think are in fact reliable/secure VPNs that allow a basic service for free - including some reasonable choice of nodes. So no more dangerous (and if they're a decent VPN, less so) than making payments online anyway.
 

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I booked a ticket on the PKP website last month without any issues, whilst in the UK.
 

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This has been an issue for months. intercity.pl works fine but portalpasazera.pl is often blocked to all foreign users. Third party services such as koleo.pl haven't had to resort to such measures so it's still possible to book tickets even if intercity.pl stops working.

I'm fairly confident this is an excuse so that they can prevent screen scrapers from using PKP websites to obtain data. There is no open data service in Poland and there have been some high profile cases of PKP making legal threats against developers creating their own websites and apps by using screen scrapers.

Having said that, none of the PKP websites and apps are blocked at this moment in time (this changes on a day-to-day basis).
 

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I'm fairly confident this is an excuse so that they can prevent screen scrapers from using PKP websites to obtain data. There is no open data service in Poland and there have been some high profile cases of PKP making legal threats against developers creating their own websites and apps by using screen scrapers.
As RENFE found out, there's EU legislation that obliges them to provide certain data. I'm sure PKP will also find out if they pursue this.
 

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