Plans for the existing Euston station post HS2?

[CICERO55]

Hello, with all the focus on the new HS2 station at Euston, what is the current plan for the existing conventional Euston station? Thanks

 

[Energy]

I think the original plans for Euston have been scaled back to save money although the original plan was to rebuild the station.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

I think the original plans for Euston have been scaled back to save money although the original plan was to rebuild the station.

There is I think a plan to redevelop the existing station.

 

[The Planner]

Lots of people busy looking at this, nothing confirmed yet though.

 

[CICERO55]

No worries thanks

 

[swt_passenger]

There’s loads of change planned to the LU areas, including underground passageways to Euston Square? But I think that’s happening independently of the mainline station.

 

[Dave_Cardboard]

A foot passage to Euston Sq. was planned as part of the HS2 programme. Basically, they knock through the headwalls at the Eastern end of the Eus. Sq. platforms and mine tunnels through to a revised LU concourse at Euston. Thusly, there's no need to go up to street level as now. Also planned to be a new entrance on the corner of Gower St on the south side of the Euston Road.

 

[MB162435]

Was the hope of rebuilding the Euston Arch part of the HS2 works or a separate idea?

 

[swt_passenger]

Was the hope of rebuilding the Euston Arch part of the HS2 works or a separate idea?

I doubt it was a serious official proposition at any time. It’s just one of those subjects that keeps being regularly repeated for no logical reason.

 

[MB162435]

I doubt it was a serious official proposition at any time. It’s just one of those subjects that keeps being regularly repeated for no logical reason.

Thought it would be highly unlikely to happen, due to the costs and practically of transportation and construction

As much as it would be nice to see at Euston Station again, it wouldn't offer value for money

 

[Bletchleyite]

A foot passage to Euston Sq. was planned as part of the HS2 programme. Basically, they knock through the headwalls at the Eastern end of the Eus. Sq. platforms and mine tunnels through to a revised LU concourse at Euston. Thusly, there's no need to go up to street level as now. Also planned to be a new entrance on the corner of Gower St on the south side of the Euston Road.

Only about 100 years or so late!

 

[LOL The Irony]

I think the original plans for Euston have been scaled back to save money although the original plan was to rebuild the station.

That's a shame. Euston is in desperate need of at least a Kings Cross level upgrade, if not a total rebuild.

 

[Bletchleyite]

That's a shame. Euston is in desperate need of at least a Kings Cross level upgrade, if not a total rebuild.

It'd be nice, but Euston is nothing like the dive Kings Cross was - it's airy, high ceilinged and in my view quite pleasant.

It needs the following:-
1. Completely new bogs, this time with proper ventilation as that's why they whiff
2. A means of solving the Euston scrum, but I'm not convinced that needs changes to the station, it more needs changes to the method of operation of the station (there are a few options, but there are threads for that so I won't go into it here)
3. The bit outside neatening up a bit

That's about it, really. I find it quite a pleasant station, all in all, and when the HS2 bit is built it'll be a fair bit quieter anyway.

 

[Malcolmffc]

It'd be nice, but Euston is nothing like the dive Kings Cross was - it's airy, high ceilinged and in my view quite pleasant.

It needs the following:-
1. Completely new bogs, this time with proper ventilation as that's why they whiff
2. A means of solving the Euston scrum, but I'm not convinced that needs changes to the station, it more needs changes to the method of operation of the station (there are a few options, but there are threads for that so I won't go into it here)
3. The bit outside neatening up a bit

That's about it, really. I find it quite a pleasant station, all in all, and when the HS2 bit is built it'll be a fair bit quieter anyway.

The concourse isn’t too bad (though nowhere near as good as King X or St Pancras) but the platforms area at Euston is utterly miserable with the atmosphere of a multi-storey car park. Natural light desperately needed.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The concourse isn’t too bad (though nowhere near as good as King X or St Pancras) but the platforms area at Euston is utterly miserable with the atmosphere of a multi-storey car park. Natural light desperately needed.

Very unlikely, unfortunately. Removing the parcel deck would be hugely costly and disruptive, but if that was being done it'd be likely to allow a development of some sort to replace it.

The idea at Euston is that you don't spend time down there.

 

[flitwickbeds]

If the tunnel through to Euston Square is completed, will the existing Tube station be renamed simply "Euston" as it will essentially be one station?

 

[Lewlew]

The platform's at Euston really aren't that bad. I spend a lot of time hanging around P9/10 waiting for the Overground and don't mind being down there. There's much worse platforms around the country. I guess it helps that the noisy Voyagers are often on platforms away from the 8/9/10/11 island.

 

[JonathanH]

The platform's at Euston really aren't that bad. I spend a lot of time hanging around P9/10 waiting for the Overground and don't mind being down there. There's much worse platforms around the country. I guess it helps that the noisy Voyagers are often on platforms away from the 8/9/10/11 island.

I agree, although I note that the 8-11 island is a bit more welcoming than the others because it is recognised that people will wait there.

 

[Revaulx]

Very unlikely, unfortunately. Removing the parcel deck would be hugely costly and disruptive, but if that was being done it'd be likely to allow a development of some sort to replace it.

The idea at Euston is that you don't spend time down there.

Agreed, but how much of the platform area does it actually cover? There are quite a few places where the ceiling is full height and opportunities for letting in more light seem to be available.

The concourse was beautifully light, airy and spacious when it was opened and throughout the 70s. Alas it got cluttered up with branches of Tie Rack et al through the 80s and the addition of much needed additional floor space by way of the mezzanine hasn’t helped its appearance. Victim of its own success really.

 

[Trackman]

There’s a couple of good Geoff Marshall videos about it.
I’ve heard it’s being scaled back too, but I do not know to what extent.
The western access road to the parcels depot up top went last month.

 

[Dave_Cardboard]

Only about 100 years or so late!

You remind me of a joke I read in the AA magazine once - "During WWII UK road signs were removed in case of enemy invasion. The programme to replace them is well under way and should be completed and decade soon."

 

[Mikey C]

I can cope with the platform areas of the concourse, as others have said it's not as if you spend much time there. And it helps that it's nearly all EMU, with the last diesels to be removed soon when the Voyagers are displaced

And like other terminus stations, you don't actually spend much time on the platforms anyway. You wait in the concourse area and go straight onto the train, either when you're allowed or (as at some other stations) when you choose to

 

[si404]

If the tunnel through to Euston Square is completed, will the existing Tube station be renamed simply "Euston" as it will essentially be one station?

Depends if it does actually become all one station or not.

Seems from the plans that it will remain 2 stations, albeit now linked by a subway under the road.

While there's obviously many examples of similar situations having two names, none of them have involved a recent renaming.

When they built the Hackney Central-Hackney Downs link - which unlike what those plans suggest for Euston-Euston Square is inside the fare barriers - they kept it as two station names.

 

[janahan]

Depends if it does actually become all one station or not.

Seems from the plans that it will remain 2 stations, albeit now linked by a subway under the road.

While there's obviously many examples of similar situations having two names, none of them have involved a recent renaming.

When they built the Hackney Central-Hackney Downs link - which unlike what those plans suggest for Euston-Euston Square is inside the fare barriers - they kept it as two station names.

and dont forget Bank/Monument.

 

[cle]

So will the passageways from Euston Square come into where the escalators are. up to Euston's main concourse?

Or will they be within the fare-zone ("airside") - which might support a name-change better? I think the latter would better help usage of Euston Square, and relieve Kings Cross on the SSL somewhat as an interchange option, even though it won't be brilliant either. Will add the Charing X branch connection too.

 

[swt_passenger]

So will the passageways from Euston Square come into where the escalators are. up to Euston's main concourse?

Or will they be within the fare-zone ("airside") - which might support a name-change better? I think the latter would better help usage of Euston Square, and relieve Kings Cross on the SSL somewhat as an interchange option, even though it won't be brilliant either. Will add the Charing X branch connection too.

There’s a reasonably recent (May) thread specifically about Euston LU changes here:

HS2 Euston London Underground Plans

https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/05/05/a-new-london-underground-entrance-for-euston-station/ here are the plans for a new tube ticket hall at Euston post HS2. One of the many things that HS2 will deliver to Euston is a new London Underground entrance in a much needed location – south of...

www.railforums.co.uk

...there’s a cross section in the linked article in post 1, it doesn’t seem it will all be “paid side”.

 

[urbophile]

Thought it would be highly unlikely to happen, due to the costs and practically of transportation and construction

As much as it would be nice to see at Euston Station again, it wouldn't offer value for money

What the ###****!!! has value for money got to do with it? I doubt if the original arch covered its costs. It was an act of vandalism to remove it and if it is at all possible to reverse that vandalism money shouldn't come into it. On another thread is the story of recent vandalism to one of the new Merseyrail trains, which apparently will cost over £1k to put right: you could argue that's not value for money. Admittedly the Euston Arch (even if most of the original stones can be recovered) would cost many times that to rebuild, but the principle is the same.

 

[CW2]

So where would this Euston Arch be placed? The original was in what is now the station concourse, and there won't be any room for it there. It would be utterly out of place and a total inconvenience.

 

[urbophile]

So where would this Euston Arch be placed? The original was in what is now the station concourse, and there won't be any room for it there. It would be utterly out of place and a total inconvenience.

Surely all the tacky refreshment shacks etc that litter the area outside the concourse could be cleared away. Maybe the bus station could be resited too. Originally wasn't the arch in between the two lodges that are still in situ close to the Euston Road?

 

[edwin_m]

Surely all the tacky refreshment shacks etc that litter the area outside the concourse could be cleared away. Maybe the bus station could be resited too. Originally wasn't the arch in between the two lodges that are still in situ close to the Euston Road?

I believe it was somewhere around the barrier line for the suburban platforms.

The surviving parts of the arch have been in the bottom of a river for several decades and probably don't amount to more than a small part of it anyway. So we might just end up with a pastiche rather than anything original - think Trafford Centre?!