Did they ? I never knew that! From when? I expect that will go to Citybus too, although as they have now posted yheir changes from September and 52 isn't on there, maybe its gone to Stagecoach again (or cancelled altogether). Hopefully Stagecoach might tell us their plans soon!
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Oakleys posted on their Facebook they haven’t had any info from plymouth city council on that ones retender.
Rumour is that stagecoach also sent their stuff for retender. Citybus I’ve heard have the 200.
VOSA showed 19, 31 and 200 cancelled. New registrations show on there yesterday for all 3 services with Stagecoach so no Citybus do not have them
DaveHarries
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Plymouth Citybus have now published their service changes for September. Among the things being implemented:
- New Service 21B between Royal Parade and St. Budeaux Square, via. Devonport. Frequency of service not given on the PCB website but the TravelineSW timetable suggests it will be a roughly half-hourly off-peak service between about 100hrs and 1730hrs.
- Service 27 (Efford - City Centre) revised to operate to George Junction P&R via. Lower Compton, Shallowford Road, Austin Crescent, Asda Mainstone and Estover Industrial Estate. The covering of Estover Industrial Estate by this route may be to compensate for the loss of Service 52 referred to by @richw so perhaps it wasn't retendered? Shallowford Road and Austin Crescent are both currently part of Service 28A.
- Service 28 (Crownhill - City Centre) extended to Transit Way via. Henders Corner, Deer Park (currently part of Service 27), Culver Way, Charfield Drive, Crownhill Village, St. Peters Road and Sheridan Road and will interwork with Service 61 at Transit Way. Service 28A is withdrawn with its route incorporated into the 28 and 61 but no evening services on the 28 due to low passenger numbers.
- Service 35 (City Centre - Ham) revised to operate via. Peverell Park Road, as has already been mentioned) but Service 41 (City Centre - Southway) will now cover Peverell Park Road in place of the 35.
- Service 50 & 51 (City Centre & Derriford Hospital) not to serve Keswick Crescent in the evenings. I can only guess that either not many people are using the stops along there, or parked vehicles are making life difficult for PCB, at those times. Service 50 also to miss the Crownhill loop on Sunday evenings.
- Service 61 (City Centre - Transit Way) will serve Milehouse Park & Ride, Cherry Tree, St. Pancras Avenue, Honicknowle Green and Coombe Park Lane but no evening services due to low usage.
Full details: https://www.plymouthbus.co.uk/plymouth-service-changes
Dave
- New Service 21B between Royal Parade and St. Budeaux Square, via. Devonport. Frequency of service not given on the PCB website but the TravelineSW timetable suggests it will be a roughly half-hourly off-peak service between about 100hrs and 1730hrs.
- Service 27 (Efford - City Centre) revised to operate to George Junction P&R via. Lower Compton, Shallowford Road, Austin Crescent, Asda Mainstone and Estover Industrial Estate. The covering of Estover Industrial Estate by this route may be to compensate for the loss of Service 52 referred to by @richw so perhaps it wasn't retendered? Shallowford Road and Austin Crescent are both currently part of Service 28A.
- Service 28 (Crownhill - City Centre) extended to Transit Way via. Henders Corner, Deer Park (currently part of Service 27), Culver Way, Charfield Drive, Crownhill Village, St. Peters Road and Sheridan Road and will interwork with Service 61 at Transit Way. Service 28A is withdrawn with its route incorporated into the 28 and 61 but no evening services on the 28 due to low passenger numbers.
- Service 35 (City Centre - Ham) revised to operate via. Peverell Park Road, as has already been mentioned) but Service 41 (City Centre - Southway) will now cover Peverell Park Road in place of the 35.
- Service 50 & 51 (City Centre & Derriford Hospital) not to serve Keswick Crescent in the evenings. I can only guess that either not many people are using the stops along there, or parked vehicles are making life difficult for PCB, at those times. Service 50 also to miss the Crownhill loop on Sunday evenings.
- Service 61 (City Centre - Transit Way) will serve Milehouse Park & Ride, Cherry Tree, St. Pancras Avenue, Honicknowle Green and Coombe Park Lane but no evening services due to low usage.
Full details: https://www.plymouthbus.co.uk/plymouth-service-changes
Dave
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Per my post #297, your reference to the new 21 is actually a 21B...
You missed the 34A...
DaveHarries
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Thanks, post edited. I merely picked a few random changes to put in rather than include the whole lot though.
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All details of the forthcoming changes seem to have disappeared from their website...
Could we leave discussion of Stagecoach issues to the appropriate thread please? This thread is for Plymouth CityBus. Thanks
Stagecoach are reducing their services including Devon and Devon County Council are tendering for replacements.
Travel Devon now (Tues 4th) gives 4 routes won by Plymouth City Bus under routes 5 and 6.
https://www.traveldevon.info/bus/la...bus-services-in-devon-from-30th-october-2022/
306 - Launceston - Okehampton Station (replacing 6A) (No timetable yet)
315 - Exeter - Crediton - Bideford - Barnstable (2 Hourly like 5B)
345 - Exeter - Crediton - Hatherleigh - Okehampton (2 Hourly like 5A)
377 - Exeter - Crediton - Chulmleigh (hourly like 5C, so Exeter - Copplestone every 30 mins combined)
So Go Ahead moves into Devon at Exeter, Barnstaple and Okehampton!
Will we get Go Devon?
What outstations / partners will they use?
Travel Devon now (Tues 4th) gives 4 routes won by Plymouth City Bus under routes 5 and 6.
https://www.traveldevon.info/bus/la...bus-services-in-devon-from-30th-october-2022/
306 - Launceston - Okehampton Station (replacing 6A) (No timetable yet)
315 - Exeter - Crediton - Bideford - Barnstable (2 Hourly like 5B)
345 - Exeter - Crediton - Hatherleigh - Okehampton (2 Hourly like 5A)
377 - Exeter - Crediton - Chulmleigh (hourly like 5C, so Exeter - Copplestone every 30 mins combined)
So Go Ahead moves into Devon at Exeter, Barnstaple and Okehampton!
Will we get Go Devon?
What outstations / partners will they use?
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If anybody said that Go Ahead would be operating in Exeter this time last year I would have laughed...
Peter Heath
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Perhaps take over Turner's, Chumleigh?
There is some kind of link up with Dartline. Very strong rumours locally that Go ahead are at an advanced stage of acquiring Dartline.
markymark2000
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These Devon tenders are awful.
Putting another 2 buses per hour between Crediton and Exeter when the corridor will already have 3 buses per hour. Is there really justification for 5 buses per hour
345 Mon-Fri in the morning peak follows upto 3 minutes behind the Stagecoach 5 for the entire trip (the only benefit of the 345 is Okehampton to Hatherleigh. In the evening, the commercial 5 runs between 12 and 20 minutes behind the 345. Why not just drop these trips? What a waste of public funds and resources to throw buses on a route so close to a commercial one.
The 377 Mon-Fri morning peak bus runs between 10 and 20 minutes ahead of the commercial 5. and evening peak is around 20 minutes behind the commercial 5.
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Didn't Turners cease quite a while back now?
TheGrandWazoo
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They did - shame as I had dealings with them "back in the day" and they were a good firm run by thoroughly decent people. Quote from Buses magazine
Aside from the Crediton to Exeter duplication, it's a rather intriguing departure for Go South West to head that far East. I had wondered if First South West might have been interested but then again, @On the Buses had stated (on opening the Devon outbases) that low margin tendered stage work wasn't their strategy.
Stephen1001
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Weird historical aside #1: Go-Ahead could have been an established operator in Exeter by now, if the actions of one of their current fleets prior to their takeover had been slightly different. Oxford Bus Company had a plan in 1989 to launch an Exeter City Nipper operation to strike back at Transit Holdings-owned Devon General in response to competition from Thames Transit, but it was thwarted by length restrictions on Exeter high street at the time. The Exeter City Nipper company that they registered wasn't officially dissolved until 1997, three years after Go-Ahead took Oxford over.
Weird historical aside #2: Go-Ahead could also have owned Dartline by now, if the actions of one of their current fleets prior to their takeover had been slightly different. Years ago, in a Buses Magazine interview about their then-recent purchase of Whittles in Worcestershire, one of the directors of then-independent East Yorkshire Motor Services mentioned that they considered making an offer for Dartline but chose Whittles instead.
DaveHarries
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Plymouth Citybus have published the timetables for their new Devon routes (6, 6A, 306, 315, 345 & 377) wef 30-Oct-2022: the routes have not yet been added to the website's list of services but there is a link where you can view the timetables all on one page in the meantime: the details, and timetable link, are at https://www.plymouthbus.co.uk/information-about-devon-routes-30th-october and it is confirmed that Devon Day Tickets will be accepted on the new routes.
Meanwhile some changes to their Plymouth City network (routes 20, 20A, 28 (withdrawn: incorporated into 60 & 61), 34, 35, 35A, 44, 44A, 60 (new), 61, 70, 70A & 70B) will also come into being on 30th October along with some minor changes to GCB (Go Cornwall Bus) routes 11, 26, 96 (college journeys on those routes), 56, 88, 89 & 185.
PCB changes: https://www.plymouthbus.co.uk/timetable-changes-plymouth-30th-oct
GCB changes: https://www.gocornwallbus.co.uk/timetable-changes-30th-october.
Some of those Plymouth routes were only recently revised on 04th September. The TT for GCB's Service 306 shows that some journeys on College Days interwork with Service 176 but it does not say whether or not a change of bus will be needed.
Dave
Meanwhile some changes to their Plymouth City network (routes 20, 20A, 28 (withdrawn: incorporated into 60 & 61), 34, 35, 35A, 44, 44A, 60 (new), 61, 70, 70A & 70B) will also come into being on 30th October along with some minor changes to GCB (Go Cornwall Bus) routes 11, 26, 96 (college journeys on those routes), 56, 88, 89 & 185.
PCB changes: https://www.plymouthbus.co.uk/timetable-changes-plymouth-30th-oct
GCB changes: https://www.gocornwallbus.co.uk/timetable-changes-30th-october.
Some of those Plymouth routes were only recently revised on 04th September. The TT for GCB's Service 306 shows that some journeys on College Days interwork with Service 176 but it does not say whether or not a change of bus will be needed.
Dave
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Go Devon Bus - Plymouth City Bus news has this as the new brand name for the Exeter routes (315/345 & 377). The news item also has the day/week/month fares applicable. They will accept Stagecoach passes for the next 2 weeks. https://www.plymouthbus.co.uk/ticket-range-go-devon-bus-routes
The timetables are on the Plymouth City Bus website (and travel Devon) - the 306 is missing, but on the pdf linked from the new routes news item. The 306 is additionally linked to the 176 offering a through service to/from Okehampton to Callywith College, Bodmin. Possibly a new choice for next September's students.
I have also had a message from Devon County Council saying that they will be reprinting all their timetable books except Teignbridge over the next few weeks.
The timetables are on the Plymouth City Bus website (and travel Devon) - the 306 is missing, but on the pdf linked from the new routes news item. The 306 is additionally linked to the 176 offering a through service to/from Okehampton to Callywith College, Bodmin. Possibly a new choice for next September's students.
I have also had a message from Devon County Council saying that they will be reprinting all their timetable books except Teignbridge over the next few weeks.
Devon County Council has already updated the timetables at the kerbside stop in Sidwell Street in Exeter used as a terminus for non-Stagecoach services. The tables have the operator's name in their headings. Those operated by Plymouth Citybus are headed Plymouth Citybus.
Ballysundriven
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Does anyone know which base these new Go Devon routes will be operated from?
I’ve seen a job advert for a daily cleaner of 8 buses starting next week. Location of job is Dan Shears yard at Winkleigh.
I’ve put two and two together knowing Dan has long running connections to Citybus.
The 14 E's from London now in the process of being converted to single door are not to be numbered as shown on bus times.
4001-4005 are correct but
4006 is LX57CJV
4007 LX57CJY
4008 LX57CJZ
4009 LX57CKA
4010 LX57CKD
4011 LX57CKE
4012 LX57CJO
4013 LX57CKC
4014 LX57CJU.
4003/4/5 have now been branded as Plymouth Citybus so probably are not going to Cornwall.
4001-4005 are correct but
4006 is LX57CJV
4007 LX57CJY
4008 LX57CJZ
4009 LX57CKA
4010 LX57CKD
4011 LX57CKE
4012 LX57CJO
4013 LX57CKC
4014 LX57CJU.
4003/4/5 have now been branded as Plymouth Citybus so probably are not going to Cornwall.
Confirmed now that PCB using 8 x 65 plate e200 rebranded to Go Devon will be operating from winkleigh on the new services from Monday.
Thanks for that.
Plymouth City Bus have not had much notice to create a new operating centre(s) and a new Brand. Whether the bid for the tenders was set low as an investment opportunity or whether they put in a standard bid and found they were offered them, we don't know. Either way it has created the need for some fast footwork to get organised. This is a significant contrast to Bournemouth where more bus could watch the collapse of Yellow Bus for months and get prepared and then just sit and wait for the end date (Yellow Bus could not afford to just close - collapse was the only way out). More Bus's planning created a very competent and professional uplift of the Yellow bus routes and staff. One could also add that More Bus were patient in that their proposed offer to buy Yellow Bus was refused, but 10 years later they got it for nothing.
Where will Go Devon go next and when??
I spoke with one of their managers recently when I bumped into him, and he was quite open they were testing the water in places where they can set up easily through partners having somewhere they can outstation.
Initially they will be using agency drivers. Dan shears has always had a good relationship with First, Citybus and he worked with stagecoach for many years too, and his yard at Winkleigh is well positioned for these new services. It will be the second location where First and Go operate from the same yard. First have 2 Geminis at Winkleigh for college contracts.
Ballysundriven
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Would you know if it is the Barnstaple and Okehampton runs to Duchy College that the two Winkleigh based First Geminis are employed on?
Just Barnstaple plus one spare positioned due to being so far out from any engineering support in event of an issue.
The okehampton run requires a coach due to significant tree coverage on one part of the route, and runs from callington
Despite not being one of the 8. According to bustimes.org, the 8 E200's are 147-155
Dan Shears is on multiple Facebook Groups with me. Seems like a really nice bloke.
The Sunday working on the 6/6A is worked by Bude depot so always will be a Cornish bus.
151 154 are the buses not at Winkleigh for tomorrows runout.
147 149 151 153-159 are the buses in Go Devon livery.
151 154 are the buses not at Winkleigh for tomorrows runout.
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