Post-May 2019 LNR 319 Diagrams

[swt_passenger]

correct me if I am wrong, LNR have 5 319's? one working the abbey line.

5 sets of services as per post #2. But 4 of them are for 12 car sets, so that’s 13 unit diagrams in service altogether...

post #10 explains that to meet this daily requirement they have 15 units.

 

[sufian123]

correct me if I am wrong, LNR have 5 319's? one working the abbey line.

fotal 15x4

 

[MatthewRead]

It may change after the timetable hopefully they will get regular weekend diagrams instead of kicking about on the sidings.

 

[Mordac]

It may change after the timetable hopefully they will get regular weekend diagrams instead of kicking about on the sidings.

It's been reported that the staff don't really like these trains (especially maintenance) so they're probably making the least use of them possible.

 

[Ladder23]

I’m looking to ride all of the 319’s, or at least see them all in a evening. Does the 4 car unit often link up to another etc, I noticed 319005 has worked the abbey line but on YouTube videos I see another on 4 form?

 

[sd0733]

I’m looking to ride all of the 319’s, or at least see them all in a evening. Does the 4 car unit often link up to another etc, I noticed 319005 has worked the abbey line but on YouTube videos I see another on 4 form?

The only 4 car unit, the abbey line one stays on it for a week barring any failures. Swaps over on a Sunday morning IIRC

 

[Ladder23]

The only 4 car unit, the abbey line one stays on it for a week barring any failures. Swaps over on a Sunday morning IIRC

How does the swap procedure etc work?

 

[Kite159]

The only 4 car unit, the abbey line one stays on it for a week barring any failures. Swaps over on a Sunday morning IIRC

I believe it swaps over around 13:30 on Saturdays, the 13:07 St Albans Abbey service goes ECS to Northampton, with another unit coming in from Northampton to form the next St Albans Abbey service causing a longer gap in service.

 

[Ladder23]

I believe it swaps over around 13:30 on Saturdays, the 13:07 St Albans Abbey service goes ECS to Northampton, with another unit coming in from Northampton to form the next St Albans Abbey service causing a longer gap in service.

I see, have you any idea of the "gap" timing.

I have to ask, I was working on a set of points in the Bletchley carriage sidings last Friday, where 319005 was parked, does this mean another 319 worked the abbey line or was there no service. You say another unit comes from Northampton, does this also leave a 8 car formation till the finished 4 form arrives to link up?

I hope I haven't confused you! please bare with me while I get this!

 

[swt_passenger]

I see, have you any idea of the "gap" timing.

A realtime trains query for Watford Jn will show the moves, they have to use P11 so easy to work out:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...-11-09/1300?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=LM

 

[Ladder23]

A realtime trains query for Watford Jn will show the moves, they have to use P11 so easy to work out:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...-11-09/1300?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=LM

brilliant - I can see that clear as day thanks so much

could you confirm whether I have got that right, with the splitting a 12 car idea to a 8, till the 4 arrives from abbey?

 

[swt_passenger]

brilliant - I can see that clear as day thanks so much

could you confirm whether I have got that right, with the splitting a 12 car idea to a 8, till the 4 arrives from abbey?

With 13 in use out of 15 on weekdays, they must be regularly changing the 12 car formations even without considering the branch unit. No idea if there’s a pattern to the sequence.

 

[Ladder23]

With 13 in use out of 15 on weekdays, they must be regularly changing the 12 car formations even without considering the branch unit. No idea if there’s a pattern to the sequence.

okay brilliant - ill try do some digging.

also just another one for you, I see the 13:26 from northampton emd, when I open your RTT link, however on detailed mode when I search myself this doesn't show, any idea where I am going wrong

 

[Ladder23]

excuse that! I got the date wrong I am sorted now

 

[swt_passenger]

excuse that! I got the date wrong I am sorted now

No problems. It takes a little while to get the hang of RTT, but it’s great for the sort of question you first asked. Unfortunately it can’t help much with train lengths or what shuffles go on within a depot...

 

[Ladder23]

No problems. It takes a little while to get the hang of RTT, but it’s great for the sort of question you first asked. Unfortunately it can’t help much with train lengths or what shuffles go on within a depot...

yes shame that, but I am sure ill soon get there, cheers again

 

[BucksBones]

It may change after the timetable hopefully they will get regular weekend diagrams instead of kicking about on the sidings.

No thanks - they're not very reliable and always lose time. LNR don't need any more excuses!

 

[Ladder23]

Noticed a 319 in Bletchley CS again just a moment ago, not in service?

 

[Ladder23]

Seen 2 319’s today in service, the diagrams are wrong it seems as they show no Sunday service ?

 

[Silverlinky]

Seen 2 319’s today in service, the diagrams are wrong it seems as they show no Sunday service ?

they come out when there is engineering work affecting the Northampton loop. No trains north or south from Northampton, meaning all those units stabled at the station and on Kings Heath are ‘locked in’
Therefore they only have the units in Bletchley carriage sidings available to use....and some of those are 319’s
Amended diagrams accordingly.

 

[Ladder23]

they come out when there is engineering work affecting the Northampton loop. No trains north or south from Northampton, meaning all those units stabled at the station and on Kings Heath are ‘locked in’
Therefore they only have the units in Bletchley carriage sidings available to use....and some of those are 319’s
Amended diagrams accordingly.

Makes perfect sense!

Thanks

 

[87015]

And predictably one set of the junk has blown up and been caped most of the afternoon.

 

[Ladder23]

And predictably one set of the junk has blown up and been caped most of the afternoon.

Which?

 

[Silverlinky]

Which?

By one set, he meant a 12 car set....2K06 delayed at Harrow with door issues. 319218/220/433 Fault was with the one in the middle.

 

[Ladder23]

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By one set, he meant a 12 car set....2K06 delayed at Harrow with door issues. 319218/220/433 Fault was with the one in the middle.

I meant to be clearer but yes I knew, thanks for the unit numbers. I believe its the one stabled in Bletchley, I noticed one pull in when I was trackside by the carriage siding points. I’ve seen 3 12 car sets today.

 

[DarloRich]

By one set, he meant a 12 car set....2K06 delayed at Harrow with door issues. 319218/220/433 Fault was with the one in the middle.

That set is running me back from euston now and seems in decent order. Must have fixed the issues

 

[Silverlinky]

319216 was failed first thing with sanding issues on the Abbey line, this was replaced later in the morning with 319433 which itself has now been failed with door issues.

 

[Ladder23]

319216 was failed first thing with sanding issues on the Abbey line, this was replaced later in the morning with 319433 which itself has now been failed with door issues.

good grief, they have there fair share of issues then. poor maintenance or just unreliable trains due to age?

 

[Bletchleyite]

good grief, they have there fair share of issues then. poor maintenance or just unreliable trains due to age?

They're over 30 years old and have been worked very hard on Thameslink - they are just old and knackered.

 

[Ladder23]

They're over 30 years old and have been worked very hard on Thameslink - they are just old and knackered.

love them myself despite the issues its a pleasure working and seeing them go past, hope they're around for a while yet.