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Potential New Central Pennine Rail Line (Colne-Skipton)

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The shadow transport secretary on reopening Skipton-Colne: "Andy McDonald gave a ‘cast iron’ guarantee the work would start within 10 years of the party winning power."

https://www.thelancasterandmorecamb...-pledge-upgrade-east-lancashire-railway-line/

£500m isn't a lot for a national fund. Is this really the best transport scheme anywhere in the country?

I suspect that's a rhetorical question because clearly there are far more deserving schemes than Colne-Skipton. Certainly I'd be happy if it did re-open, but it wouldn't remotely be my priority for rail investment.

Also, long experience discussing costs on railforums leads me to expect that there's basically no way £500m would pay to significantly upgrade Preston-Colne AND re-open Colne-Skipton. I'd guess, more like a billion.

The one sensible thing in the speech is the acknowledgement that Colne-Skipton is probably not worth doing without that upgrade. Certainly I'd be pressing for an upgrade, as I could well imagine a half-hourly service of modern electric trains would do well on that route.
 
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A cast iron guarantee that something will be done within 10 years of the election of a party that may not win power for a decade. But that dear departed Mr Grayling already gave it his personal support.

When it comes to reality we need to complete the significant projects already in the log jam. If Nelson - Colne would provide a viable diversionary route for the Transpennine Route Upgrade maybe it could become an immediate priority, but how likely is that?
Boris did say that the ultimate route is up to local people so mmaaaaybe Victoria-Blackburn-Burnley-Colne-Skipton-Leeds is what we're going to get ;)
 

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I suspect that's a rhetorical question because clearly there are far more deserving schemes than Colne-Skipton. Certainly I'd be happy if it did re-open, but it wouldn't remotely be my priority for rail investment.

Also, long experience discussing costs on railforums leads me to expect that there's basically no way £500m would pay to significantly upgrade Preston-Colne AND re-open Colne-Skipton. I'd guess, more like a billion.

The one sensible thing in the speech is the acknowledgement that Colne-Skipton is probably not worth doing without that upgrade. Certainly I'd be pressing for an upgrade, as I could well imagine a half-hourly service of modern electric trains would do well on that route.

This discussion has been done before, but getting the passengers to justify the costs of reopening/upgrading is the problem. Colne to Leeds will never be a short commute, Leeds isn't the main draw in East Lancs, between Colne and Preston it's difficult to compete with the speed of the motorway.

It's not a cheap reopening, if you could ever justify more than 1tph the upgrade wouldn't be cheap either - double track, the platforms for that, unless it's been replaced recently there's a crew worked level crossing on the branch - is that indicative of the general level of the infrastructure? Are the viaducts suitable for heavy freight. He talks about electrification as well - it's not the worst route for overbridges (however certain bridges would be highly problematic if they did need replacing) and tunnels, though there are the viaducts, but the going rate for electrification is currently too high for the MML, so what chance a relative backwater like this - even under a government committed to electrification at any cost it'd be well down the list.

If the formation was fairly intact like most previous reopenings, a simple hourly diesel service Leeds - Colne/Rose Grove/Blackburn might have the best case. Are the bigger ideas talked about required to justify the costs of reinstating the line between Skipton and Colne?
 

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A cast iron guarantee that something will be done within 10 years of the election of a party that may not win power for a decade. But that dear departed Mr Grayling already gave it his personal support.

When it comes to reality we need to complete the significant projects already in the log jam. If Nelson - Colne would provide a viable diversionary route for the Transpennine Route Upgrade maybe it could become an immediate priority, but how likely is that?

Highly unlikely; it is a very long way round indeed. Colne is NE of Burnley, Skipton is pretty much NNE again. It is a steam-era route, whilst it might be useful for a few heavy freights and local journeys there is not a lot of use. Then there's the weak viaduct in Burnley and single track Rose Grove to Colne. The money needed to do it all - and it would all have to be done as part of the project to make it worthwhile - would be very high indeed.
 
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