Same loco into 3 or more different London termini

[61653 HTAFC]

Presumably 4-SUBs visited every Southen terminus, but they don't really fit with the OP's request for locomotives.

If we broaden the scope to units, there's a bit more possibility. I'm around 75% certain that I've had 180111 out of Paddington and into Kings Cross, but I'm 100% certain I haven't had it into St Pancras.

 

[Undaunted]

Warship class diesels worked into Paddington, Waterloo and Marylebone. The photos I've seen of the Marylebone workings all involved the class 43 NBL types and Waterloo generally received the class 42 Swindon variant, but there were occasional instances of class 43 locos running into Waterloo (normally up on 1O12 and back on 1V19).

So I think it likely that at least one specific class 43 would have visited all three termini, but I can't prove it!

 

[12LDA28C]

30/11/98 47488 London Euston - Wolverhampton (1J39 1815 Euston - Shrewsbury)
07/08/99 47488 London Paddington - Wolverhampton (1M02 0600 Paddington - Manchester Piccadilly)
17/07/02 47488 London St Pancras - Leicester (1F48 1725 St Pancras - Sheffield)


47488 was a Fragonset loco for several years and was hired out to any TOC who found themselves short of power. I believe it also worked into or out of Liverpool Street on a service train during that time but I wasn't on it...

 

[CW2]

30/11/98 47488 London Euston - Wolverhampton (1J39 1815 Euston - Shrewsbury)
07/08/99 47488 London Paddington - Wolverhampton (1M02 0600 Paddington - Manchester Piccadilly)
17/07/02 47488 London St Pancras - Leicester (1F48 1725 St Pancras - Sheffield)


47488 was a Fragonset loco for several years and was hired out to any TOC who found themselves short of power. I believe it also worked into or out of Liverpool Street on a service train during that time but I wasn't on it...

Not my first choice of motive power, but particularly impressive to do it in under 4 years.

 

[renegademaster]

73s will have done all the third rail terminals with railhead trains so at least 5. Not enough of a spotter to know if a particular example has done them all

 

[Siemens Staines]

30/11/98 47488 London Euston - Wolverhampton (1J39 1815 Euston - Shrewsbury)
07/08/99 47488 London Paddington - Wolverhampton (1M02 0600 Paddington - Manchester Piccadilly)
17/07/02 47488 London St Pancras - Leicester (1F48 1725 St Pancras - Sheffield)


47488 was a Fragonset loco for several years and was hired out to any TOC who found themselves short of power. I believe it also worked into or out of Liverpool Street on a service train during that time but I wasn't on it...

Coincidentally, 47488 is one that I had to three London terminals, but two of them were different

Sun 10 Apr 88 1G19 1220 Cambridge - Liverpool St (diverted via GN)
Sat 06 Apr 91 1M61 1750 Paddington - Liverpool
Mon 06 May 91 1V09 0915 Waterloo - Exeter St Davids

 

[12LDA28C]

73s will have done all the third rail terminals with railhead trains so at least 5. Not enough of a spotter to know if a particular example has done them all

The OP specifically stated service passenger trains so RHTT are well outside that definition.

 

[gg1]

An honourable mention must go to 50038, which I had at Kings Cross and Waterloo, but never managed to have into Paddington. (I joined the Up Midnight at Plymouth with 50038 on the front one morning, but they changed locos at Bristol, so I never reached Paddington with it).

What circumstances led to a 50 reaching Kings Cross on a service train?

 

[CW2]

What circumstances led to a 50 reaching Kings Cross on a service train?

50038 was on a driver training run from Doncaster when a Deltic failed on a Kings Cross to Hull service. The 50 rescued the Deltic and worked into Hull, then did the 1630 Hull - Kings Cross throughout. I was at Peterborough off a 40 on the 1630 Kings Cross to Peterborough. I waited for the late running Hull, expecting a Deltic, and was amazed to find a 50 on the front

At Kings Cross there was another 50-trained Doncaster driver who took over and the 50 worked the 22:15 Edinburgh sleepers only as far as Doncaster. Sadly I couldn't afford that.

I think the tale featured in the "On This Day" thread some time ago.

 

[Springs Branch]

Various tripcock fitted locos will have added Liverpool Street, Paddington and sometimes St Pancras to that list, so there will be at least some class 31s that have visited 6 London termini in passenger service. D5591, later 31420, is a certainty for this, having been new to Finsbury Park and also allocated to Stratford, Cricklewood and Old Oak Common.

For a short period around 1959/60, just before the LTS line electrification, Class 31s were also used on some of the passenger trains into Fenchurch Street - hauling the old steam-era compartment stock. (e.g. I've seen a photo of 'skinhead' D5508 /31008 on a Shoeburyness - Fenchurch St train in July 1960.)

Presumably these were near-new units based at Stratford at that stage, and difficult to say whether any loco which had found its way into Fenchurch St on passenger workings ever got to visit all the other smaller termini like Broad Street or Moorgate later in life (considering LU tripcock requirements and all that).

 

[Snow1964]

The class 74 electro diesels worked into Waterloo, and whilst straight electrics into Victoria, Charing Cross, London Bridge, and possibly on occasions into Cannon Street or Holborn Viaduct (on newspaper trains) too. Might be some 33s that visited all these 6 too

 

[Magdalia]

For a short period around 1959/60, just before the LTS line electrification, Class 31s were also used on some of the passenger trains into Fenchurch Street - hauling the old steam-era compartment stock. (e.g. I've seen a photo of 'skinhead' D5508 /31008 on a Shoeburyness - Fenchurch St train in July 1960.)

You are right that Brush Type 2s worked passenger trains at Fenchurch Street, and the time period was longer than you have suggested, lasting up to June 1962.

Presumably these were near-new units based at Stratford at that stage, and difficult to say whether any loco which had found its way into Fenchurch St on passenger workings ever got to visit all the other smaller termini like Broad Street or Moorgate later in life (considering LU tripcock requirements and all that).

The locos working at Fenchurch Street were mostly the Toffee Apples D5500-19 or the two batches D5616-19 and D5632-38 which replaced the Stratford NBL Type 2s D6110-19 in 1960. None of these were tripcock fitted so they are unlikely to have reached Moorgate or Broad Street. D5633/34/37 did end up on the Western Region as 31209/210/213 so would definitely have worked at Paddington.

What circumstances led to a 50 reaching Kings Cross on a service train?

The RCTS have a feature about these on their website.

Class 50’s on East Coast Main Line passenger trains – Railway Correspondence & Travel Society

features.rcts.org.uk

Between 1977 and 1987, Class Fifty diesel locomotives visited Doncaster Works for overhauls. During this era they were also very occasionally used to haul timetabled ECML passenger trains. All known occurrences are listed below but is is possible there were others.

 

[gg1]

50038 was on a driver training run from Doncaster when a Deltic failed on a Kings Cross to Hull service. The 50 rescued the Deltic and worked into Hull, then did the 1630 Hull - Kings Cross throughout.

The RCTS have a feature about these on their website

Thanks, always had a soft spot for 50s dating back to my 'spotting days in the late 80s, I wasn't aware of their ECML jaunts.

 

[30907]

The class 74 electro diesels worked into Waterloo, and whilst straight electrics into Victoria, Charing Cross, London Bridge, and possibly on occasions into Cannon Street or Holborn Viaduct (on newspaper trains) too. Might be some 33s that visited all these 6 too

Fairly certain the Ramsgate news from Holborn was booked EL from an early stage.
Not sure about CHX/CST though, unless for diversions of the said paper train - I thought they went 100% EMU as soon as Kent Coast stage 2 was electrified.

 

[randyrippley]

What circumstances led to a 50 reaching Kings Cross on a service train?

It wasn't unknown for a 50 to be returned to the WR from overhaul at Doncaster by sending it on a service train to KX and then around the North London line. Not common, but I can remember it being logged in Modern Railways more than once

Presumably some of the 31/4 are good bets - the first ones were initially converted specifically for London ECS work, while later on they were used as reliefs/diversions all over the place

==edit==
corrected Darlington >>> Doncaster (see following posts)

 

[D6130]

It wasn't unknown for a 50 to be returned to the WR from overhaul at Darlington

For 'Darlington' read 'Doncaster'!

 

[randyrippley]

For 'Darlington' read 'Doncaster'!

They all begin with a D.......all sound the same to me

 

[Rescars]

Easy mistake for the WR too! Just somewhere north east of Swindon!!

 

[Magdalia]

I have been travelling between the Fens and London for more than half a century. In that time I have had lots of locos (mainly classes 47 and 31) and lots of EMUs (mainly class 317) at both Liverpool Street and Kings Cross.

However, most of my 20th century records are still only in notebooks so not easy for this sort of analysis. It has taken a while to look through the notebooks. 3 termini seemed trivial so I have been looking for examples of 4 and have found these, which are not a comprehensive list, but give representatives of the 3 main classes.

47526

13/06/85 0647 Peterborough-Kings Cross
30/10/85 1705 Liverpool Street-Cambridge
18/04/92 1425 Newbury-Paddington
24/10/92 1015 Waterloo-Salisbury

31435

25/04/86 1713 Kings Cross-Peterborough
16/04/87 1148 Paddington-Cardiff
18/09/88 1400 Norwich-Liverpool Street
31/03/89 1750 St Pancras-Derby

317343

29/10/87 1727 St Pancras-Bedford
22/04/88 0712 Royston-Kings Cross
20/03/08 1506 Moorgate-Bedford
27/07/17 1551 Cambridge-Liverpool Street

 

[Harvester]

I have been travelling between the Fens and London for more than half a century. In that time I have had lots of locos (mainly classes 47 and 31) and lots of EMUs (mainly class 317) at both Liverpool Street and Kings Cross.

However, most of my 20th century records are still only in notebooks so not easy for this sort of analysis. It has taken a while to look through the notebooks. 3 termini seemed trivial so I have been looking for examples of 4 and have found these, which are not a comprehensive list, but give representatives of the 3 main classes.

47526

13/06/85 0647 Peterborough-Kings Cross
30/10/85 1705 Liverpool Street-Cambridge
18/04/92 1425 Newbury-Paddington
24/10/92 1015 Waterloo-Salisbury

31435

25/04/86 1713 Kings Cross-Peterborough
16/04/87 1148 Paddington-Cardiff
18/09/88 1400 Norwich-Liverpool Street
31/03/89 1750 St Pancras-Derby

A search on the ‘Railgenarchive‘ website reveals sightings of 47526 at St Pancras and 31435 at Euston (see below). Hence at least 5 different London termini visited by these locos!

47526 18/8/83 16:35 St Pancras-Derby

31435 6/8/88 23:40 Euston-Wolverhampton (DH with 31445 to Rugby)

 

[Bevan Price]

In the late 1980s or early 1990s, I arrived in London Euston and I was surprised to find an earlier arrival from Birmingham had 31423 at the buffer stops. As D5621, then 31197, it had spent 14 years at March, and a short time at Finsbury Park, so it had almost certainly visited both Liverpool Street & Kings Cross.

 

[12LDA28C]

17/09/97 47813 Penzance - London Waterloo (1O03 2200 Penzance - Waterloo)
17/07/00 47813 London Paddington - Bristol TM (1C00 2350 Paddington - Penzance)
19/02/23 47813 London Liverpool St - Peterborough (1Z80 Liverpool Street - Peterborough additional)