Scotrail HSTs - 4-5 years in

[scotraildriver]

Neither have I!

 

[BRX]

If the brake's not safety-critical then wouldn't it be more efficient to train drivers to be able to operate the HSTs when it's out of order, instead of cancelling/substituting entire diagrams of services?

 

[chuff chuff]

Neither have I!

A quick scan of the scotrail hst manual and I can't find any mention of a 'high ' speed brake.

 

[Wolfie]

If the brake's not safety-critical then wouldn't it be more efficient to train drivers to be able to operate the HSTs when it's out of order, instead of cancelling/substituting entire diagrams of services?

Given the ongoing debate about the cab safety of those trains and when they are going to be replaced as a result that could be akin to pouring petrol onto an open fire

 

[moffatcalum]

43183 & 43034 with HA07
seemed to be running sweet last night
(spotted en-route for my dominos last night)

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

My contact said it would be still 15 in June, despite 16 being planned for earlier.

If the diagrams I have worked out are correct, it’s 15. The 16th would need to be one of the diagrams I have split in half, which is possible, but unlikely. Remember an Edinburgh to Aberdeen return service is still ‘suspended indefinitely’, so it’s likely the lack of a 16th is from this.

On an unrelated point, I see a rake of Coach E’s were moved to Haymarket from Slateford yesterday. Currently all sat as a set with a power car at each end.

 

[chuff chuff]

Yeah gonna make up more 5 coach sets after they have been giving the once over.

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

Yeah gonna make up more 5 coach sets after they have been giving the once over.

Not surprised. At least that’s them finally getting used. Must’ve been sat at Slateford a good 3 years at least now?

Will be interesting to see how many sets are still 4 cars after this. Possibly less than half.

 

[hexagon789]

If the diagrams I have worked out are correct, it’s 15. The 16th would need to be one of the diagrams I have split in half, which is possible, but unlikely. Remember an Edinburgh to Aberdeen return service is still ‘suspended indefinitely’, so it’s likely the lack of a 16th is from this.

On an unrelated point, I see a rake of Coach E’s were moved to Haymarket from Slateford yesterday. Currently all sat as a set with a power car at each end.

There is an extra one, formed exactly as you surmise by splitting an existing one in half.

It gives an additional HST working each way over the Inverness/Aberdeen line IIRC.

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

It gives an additional HST working each way over the Inverness/Aberdeen line IIRC.

Correct. I believe it’s created from reshuffling the Aberdeen daytime arrivals/departures as well.

Which diagram has been split in half, I still have yet to work out. However, I have a fairly good idea which one it is. I had come to this conclusion as without it, it’s impossible for the diagrams to run sequentially.

 

[170UTD]

Will be interesting to see how many sets are still 4 cars after this. Possibly less than half.

What's the current ratio of 4/5 car sets?

 

[moffatcalum]

5x 2+5 sets
20x 2+4 sets currently, so 1/5th and 4/5ths is the ratio ATM

 

[chuff chuff]

Yes will take it up to nine with more to come apparently.

 

[Davester50]

That's good news at last!

 

[170UTD]

5x 2+5 sets
20x 2+4 sets currently, so 1/5th and 4/5ths is the ratio ATM

Thank you

 

[hexagon789]

Which diagram has been split in half, I still have yet to work out. However, I have a fairly good idea which one it is. I had come to this conclusion as without it, it’s impossible for the diagrams to run sequentially.

From memory an Inverness arrival from Edinburgh now goes to Aberdeen instead of back to Edinburgh, with an arrival at Inverness from Aberdeen now going on to Edinburgh instead.

 

[John Bishop]

From memory an Inverness arrival from Edinburgh now goes to Aberdeen instead of back to Edinburgh, with an arrival at Inverness from Aberdeen now going on to Edinburgh instead.

Yeah 1228 to Aberdeen from Inverness is now HST and the 1008 from Aberdeen to Inverness is now an HST also.

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

From memory an Inverness arrival from Edinburgh now goes to Aberdeen instead of back to Edinburgh, with an arrival at Inverness from Aberdeen now going on to Edinburgh instead.

Yeah 1228 to Aberdeen from Inverness is now HST and the 1008 from Aberdeen to Inverness is now an HST also.

However this isn’t what creates the 16th diagram. This is a re tweak of an few existing ones.

I do have the diagrams I’ve come up with if people would wish for them to be shared, and then no doubt people can pick the holes where necessary.

 

[BRX]

Go ahead & share them!

 

[hexagon789]

Can confirm the first of the additional five-car sets has appeared.

Set HA09 has been extended and is in traffic today.

 

[amwells]

Do you know which carriage has been added please?

 

[hexagon789]

Do you know which carriage has been added please?

One of: 42009, 42032, 42047 or 42213.

Trying to obtain the actual number.

Edit: it's 42032

 

[43096]

One of: 42009, 42032, 42047 or 42213.

Trying to obtain the actual number.

It shows as being 42032.

 

[hexagon789]

It shows as being 42032.

Cheers, I'd subsequently found that soon after my post which I've edited to reflect this.

 

[hexagon789]

New diagrams (there are still only 15 BTW):


Monday to Friday

1B70 0454 Inverness - Edinburgh (via Aberdeen)
1A81 1130 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1T46 1435 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A53 1741 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen

1A71 0530 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B74 0905 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1H17 1332 Edinburgh - Inverness
1T92 1726 Inverness - Glasgow QS
5T93 2100 Glasgow QS - Haymarket Depot ECS

1T80 0536 Inverness - Glasgow QS
1H11 1007 Glasgow QS - Inverness
1T88 1450 Inverness - Glasgow QS
1A55 1841 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen

1A04 0549 Inverness - Aberdeen
1T22 0835 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A41 1141 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1T50 1535 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS

1A29 0551 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1T26 0944 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A43 1240 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1B88 1604 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A93 1931 Edinburgh - Aberdeen

1B68 0557 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A79 0930 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B82 1309 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A89 1629 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1T64 1946 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS

1H35 0614 Aberdeen - Inverness
1T84 0841 Inverness - Glasgow QS
1H21 1507 Glasgow QS - Inverness
1B40 1852 Inverness - Edinburgh

1A01 0630 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1H49 1008 Aberdeen - Inverness
1B30 1248 Inverness - Edinburgh
1H25 1733 Edinburgh - Inverness

1T14 0639 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A37 0941 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1B84 1359 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A91 1730 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B98 2106 Aberdeen - Edinburgh

1T06 0653 Perth - Glasgow QS
1A35 0841 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1B80 1207 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1H29 1934 Edinburgh - Inverness

1T18 0724 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A39 1041 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1T42 1346 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A51 1638 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1B96 2005 Aberdeen - Edinburgh

5A45 0543 Cadder Depot - Edinburgh ECS
1A75 0730 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B78 1101 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A87 1530 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1T62 1836 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS

1A33 0741 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1H61 1341 Aberdeen - Inverness
1A26 1720 Inverness - Aberdeen
5T98 2026 Aberdeen - Perth ECS

1A77 0831 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1T38 1245 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A49 1539 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1H77 2200 Aberdeen - Inverness

1H09 0838 Edinburgh - Inverness
1A16 1239 Inverness - Aberdeen
1T54 1632 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A57 1937 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen


Saturdays

1B70 0454 Inverness - Edinburgh (via Aberdeen)
1A81 1130 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1T46 1435 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A53 1741 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen

1A71 0530 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B74 0905 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1H17 1333 Edinburgh - Inverness
1T92 1726 Inverness - Glasgow QS

1T80 0536 Inverness - Glasgow QS
1H11 1007 Glasgow QS - Inverness
1T88 1450 Inverness - Glasgow QS
1A55 1841 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen

1A04 0549 Inverness - Aberdeen
1T22 0835 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A41 1141 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1T50 1535 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS

1A29 0551 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1T26 0944 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A43 1240 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1B88 1604 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A93 1930 Edinburgh - Aberdeen

1B68 0557 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A79 0930 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B82 1309 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A89 1630 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1T64 1946 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS


1H35 0614 Aberdeen - Inverness
1T84 0841 Inverness - Glasgow QS
1H21 1507 Glasgow QS - Inverness
1B40 1853 Inverness - Edinburgh

1A01 0630 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1H49 1008 Aberdeen - Inverness
1B30 1248 Inverness - Edinburgh
1A91 1734 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B98 2106 Aberdeen - Edinburgh

1T14 0639 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A37 0941 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1B84 1359 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1H25 1731 Edinburgh - Inverness

1T06 0658 Perth - Glasgow QS
1A35 0841 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1B80 1207 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1H29 1935 Edinburgh - Inverness

1T18 0724 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A39 1041 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1T42 1346 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A51 1638 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1B96 2005 Aberdeen - Edinburgh

5A45 0543 Cadder Depot - Edinburgh ECS
1A75 0730 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B78 1101 Aberdeen - Edinburgh
1A87 1530 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1T62 1836 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS

1A33 0741 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1H61 1341 Aberdeen - Inverness
1A26 1720 Inverness - Aberdeen
5T98 - ECS 2028 Aberdeen - Perth ECS

1A77 0829 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1T38 1245 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A49 1539 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1H77 2200 Aberdeen - Inverness

1H09 0837 Edinburgh - Inverness
1A16 1239 Inverness - Aberdeen
1T54 1632 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A57 1937 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen



Sundays

1H45 0925 Edinburgh - Inverness
1B54 1522 Inverness - Edinburgh
5B54 1904 Edinburgh - Cadder Depot ECS

1T76 0930 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A86 1243 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1T85 1631 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A93 1944 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen

1A81 0933 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1T82 1334 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A90 1645 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1T88 1946 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS

1T77 1033 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A97 1345 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen
1T86 1745 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS
1A95 2145 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen

1B52 1053 Inverness - Edinburgh
1H43 1552 Edinburgh Inverness

1H09 1111 Glasgow QS - Inverness
1T72 1626 Inverness - Glasgow QS

1A52 1231 Inverness - Aberdeen
1H35 1524 Aberdeen - Inverness
1B62 1852 Inverness - Edinburgh

5A65 1050 Cadder Depot - Edinburgh ECS
1A65 1238 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B43 1704 Aberdeen - Edinburgh

1B44 1326 Inverness - Edinburgh

1H13 1438 Glasgow QS - Elgin (via Inverness)
5H13 1903 Elgin - Inverness TMD ECS

1A87 1705 Edinburgh - Aberdeen
1B64 2008 Aberdeen - Edinburgh

1A99 2100 Edinburgh - Aberdeen

1H39 2128 Aberdeen - Inverness

 

[gabrielhj07]

Today a man was turned away from an HST because there wasn’t space for his bicycle in coach C. Fair enough he hadn’t reserved a space, but I did wonder why they couldn’t just stick it in one of the power cars. Is there a reason this couldn’t be done?

 

[hexagon789]

Today a man was turned away from an HST because there wasn’t space for his bicycle in coach C. Fair enough he hadn’t reserved a space, but I did wonder why they couldn’t just stick it in one of the power cars. Is there a reason this couldn’t be done?

They don't use the space in the power cars.

 

[gabrielhj07]

They don't use the space in the power cars.

As a rule? Or is there some difference between now and their GWR days?

 

[Carntyne]

As a rule? Or is there some difference between now and their GWR days?

It's not allowed on Scotrail. No change to the powercars.

 

[hexagon789]

As a rule? Or is there some difference between now and their GWR days?

Never been used on ScotRail. It was proposed for purely end-to-end journeys, but never happened.