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Anon Mouse

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How about a London St. Pancras to Moscow service using Talgo style high speed units for the guage change, maybe calling at Lille, Brussels, Colonge, Berlin, Warsaw?

or maybe a service to Bulgaria and Turkey from St. Pancras?
 
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A route that would permit Carnforth to Windermere direct - it is a pain having to go South to Lancaster first!

Two ways to do that, either re-open carforth's WCML platforms, or if we're feeling clever, add a curve just to the north so that trains can split on the Barrow bound platform, hourly to both Windermere and Barrow splitting at Carnforth,
 

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How about a London St. Pancras to Moscow service using Talgo style high speed units for the guage change, maybe calling at Lille, Brussels, Colonge, Berlin, Warsaw?

Using an EU map, I formulated a similar plan for a train to Russia, via Copenhagen and Warsaw. Obviously, we will need to construct an underground tunnel to connect London onto Copenhagen, but it's worth a go!
 

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I like it! So, WGC and Hatfield will be skipped out for Cambridge/Peterboro services from PBR, with the trains splitting at Stevenage/Hitchin. Agreed?
I think it would probably be better to split at Hitchin.

That's how it worked right up until electrification, and the reason why Hitchin had a loco depot. A B12 would take the train from King's Cross to Peterborough, dropping the Cambridge coaches off at Hitchin, then a D16 would come off shed to take them on to their destination. Replace both with B1s, then Baby Deltics, then Class 31s or a pair of Cravens units. Splitting was less common with diesel than steam, and EMUs finally finished it off by being much faster through Welwyn.

As for services I'd like to see, King's Cross-Lincoln semi-fasts calling Stevenage-Hitchin?-Huntingdon?-Peterborough-Grantham. Also perhaps regular Paddington-Exeter semi-fasts, giving Frome an hourly London service, and a regular Bedwyn-Pewsey link. A restoration of Oxford-Bristol (if they ever reopen Corsham and Wooton Bassatt). Regular through trains from Leeds to Glasgow via the S&C and GSWR.

I also agree with the Edinburgh-Newcastle stopped. North Berwick to Dunbar currently involves travelling via Edinburgh, and this might just sort it out.
 

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I also agree with the Edinburgh-Newcastle stopped. North Berwick to Dunbar currently involves travelling via Edinburgh, and this might just sort it out.

There's a direct bus service between the two towns, but is there really enough of a rail market to justify disrupting the existing "fast" services between Edinburgh and Newcastle? There's few loops plus plenty of freight...
 

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That's how it worked right up until electrification, and the reason why Hitchin had a loco depot. A B12 would take the train from King's Cross to Peterborough, dropping the Cambridge coaches off at Hitchin, then a D16 would come off shed to take them on to their destination. Replace both with B1s, then Baby Deltics, then Class 31s or a pair of Cravens units. Splitting was less common with diesel than steam, and EMUs finally finished it off by being much faster through Welwyn.

I'm seriously tempted to email FCC. I doubt they'll take much notice, but the Potters Bar timetabling really needs to be looked at. Are there still trains that go up to Peterborough, splitting at Hitchin/Stevenage to drop off Cambridge coaches?
 

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One problem: time Penalty. And my bristol-bham idea would address this issue :)
Good to see people agree with my idea, after all, XC drivers wouldn't need any more training because they are already taught to learn the route as a diversion when the Lickey is closed etc (I think ;)). Also going via Worcester, surely it isn't that much slower than the normal XC route.

I think some of us should get in contact with XC
 

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5. Swansea To southend: Swansea, Port Talbot Pkwy, neath, Bridgend, Cardiff, Newport, Glouster, chelthnham, Birmngham uni, Birmigham new street, Coleshill Pkwy, Nuneton, Hinckley, Leicester, Mleton, Oakham, Stamford, Peterbouorugh, Ely, Newmarkey, Bury St Edmunds, Stowmarket, Colchester, Ipswich, Chelmsford, Brentwood, Bilaraichy, Wickford, Rayleigh, Southend

Interesting spelling!

That's a very arse about face route.

Three NX services I would like to see: a curve to be put in at Shenfield to allow trains from Southend and Southminster to access the Chelmsford bound line without reversing at Shenfield. I'd have an hourly service from Southend to Ipswich joining with a set from Southminster at Wickford and a set at Witham from Braintree call at all stations to Billericay from Southminster and Southend, then Chelmsford, Witham, Kelvedon, Marks Tey, Colchester, Manningtree and Ipswich. I realise that that is twelve coaches from Witham, but its something I'd like to see. ;) :)

I can't see the point in Kelvedon stops. Hourly to Ipswich from Southend is a good idea though.

I like it! So, WGC and Hatfield will be skipped out for Cambridge/Peterboro services from PBR, with the trains splitting at Stevenage/Hitchin. Agreed?
I think it would probably be better to split at Hitchin.

I feel uneasy about skipping any of Welwyn Garden City, Hatfield or Potters Bar. They're all reasonably busy and Potters Bar gives a good connection to the inner services. If I had to drop one of the three it'd be Hatfield, then Potters Bar if I were really pushed. Can't see justification for dropping Welwyn at all though.

I'm seriously tempted to email FCC. I doubt they'll take much notice, but the Potters Bar timetabling really needs to be looked at. Are there still trains that go up to Peterborough, splitting at Hitchin/Stevenage to drop off Cambridge coaches?

No, none. The only splits that happen around there are at Royston where the front four go fast to Cambridge/Kings Lynn and the rear four go slow.

I'm not a fan of this idea. Hitchin and Stevenage currently have two trains an hour to ...Welwyn, Hatfield, Potters Bar... and they should stay. If anything, I'd like to see a third train instated.

What I'd really like to do, (in my wildest dreams, if you like) is build the Hitchin flyover, double Welwyn viaduct/tunnels and alter the track layout at Langley Jn so trains can join any line to/from Hertford. I'd then run all services from the Hertford loop (to be 3tph) through Stevenage to Letchworth and terminate them there. I'd run all services that currently terminate at Welwyn Garden City (to be 3tph) through to Letchworth and terminate there, instead. This may require an extra platform at Letchworth.
An alternative could be to terminate half at Letchworth and half somewhere on the Peterborough route.

I don't like the idea of terminating at Stevenage, even if those services have their own platform. It is simply not neat enough for me. Once the Hitchin flyover is built there will be no need for trains to terminate at Stevenage and I hope the practice is stopped.

If I could have all of the above, I'd then look at changing the current Cambridge/Peterborough semi-fasts that call at Knebworth, Welwyn North, Welwyn Garden City... They'd stop all stops to Stevenage then either Welwyn Garden City, or Hertford North, then Finsbury Park and Kings Cross. I may add a stop at Alexandra Palace too.

Knebworth, Welwyn North, Hatfield and Potters Bar would lose the semi-fast services and be left with slow trains, however, there would be an increase in services for Knebworth and Welwyn North to compensate. Hatfield and Potters Bar would have 3tph most of the day, all week, which has to be seen as an improvement (?).

Stock wise, I'd like to use something with toilets and run into Kings Cross, once the Thameslink stuff has happened. The 313s wouldn't be good enough for me.
 

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I feel uneasy about skipping any of Welwyn Garden City, Hatfield or Potters Bar. They're all reasonably busy and Potters Bar gives a good connection to the inner services. If I had to drop one of the three it'd be Hatfield, then Potters Bar if I were really pushed. Can't see justification for dropping Welwyn at all though.

I'm not a fan of this idea. Hitchin and Stevenage currently have two trains an hour to ...Welwyn, Hatfield, Potters Bar... and they should stay. If anything, I'd like to see a third train instated.

The plan is not to skip out Potters Bar. This whole idea is about increasing services out of Potters Bar to Cambridge and Peterborough.
A lot of people seem to agree that service to WGC is too heavy, and service further north at a reasonably quick rate is insufficient.

Every single train out of Potters Bar stops at Welwyn Garden. I'm not going to type out the entire idea again, but if you scroll back a few pages, it'll be there somewhere.
 

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I'd imagine its a lot slower, unless you can show otherwise?
Well if anyone knows the timings between Abbotswood Junc and Stoke Works, I can do a rough guess - I imagine via Worcester it's about 25mins

The Birmingham - Cardiff service used to go that way, but it was a real time drag
Back in the days of Central Trains. I only remember it from about 2003 onwards because I was too young to remember much any farther back
 
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Well if anyone knows the timings between Abbotswood Junc and Stoke Works, I can do a rough guess - I imagine via Worcester it's about 25mins

Cheltenham - Birmingham is around 45 minutes on Cross Country.

Cheltenham - Worcester (Foregate Street) is around 30 minutes on FGW

Worcester (Foregate Street) - Birmingham is around 50 minutes on FGW

So, going via Worcester is almost twice as long as going non-stop. You can knock off a few minutes if you're not going to stop at Ashchurch etc, but its a significant disruption for long distance passengers
 

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The plan is not to skip out Potters Bar. This whole idea is about increasing services out of Potters Bar to Cambridge and Peterborough.
A lot of people seem to agree that service to WGC is too heavy, and service further north at a reasonably quick rate is insufficient.

Every single train out of Potters Bar stops at Welwyn Garden. I'm not going to type out the entire idea again, but if you scroll back a few pages, it'll be there somewhere.

I read your idea, commented and then posted my idea.
 

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Cheltenham - Birmingham is around 45 minutes on Cross Country.

Cheltenham - Worcester (Foregate Street) is around 30 minutes on FGW

Worcester (Foregate Street) - Birmingham is around 50 minutes on *London Midland*

So, going via Worcester is almost twice as long as going non-stop. You can knock off a few minutes if you're not going to stop at Ashchurch etc, but its a significant disruption for long distance passengers

It would only be for the 170 services

Don't you mean LM for Worcester-B'ham

Also, the quickest Shrub Hill-New St services take about 40 mins by not stopping at Bromsgrove so that would make it 20mins slower, less if you could cut out Ashchurch :)
 

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Just to ingratiate myself with the Welsh Assembly and to provide Ferry facilities at both ends:-

FISHGUARD (for ferries to and from Rosslaire)
WHITLAND (not stopping at Carmarthen)
LLANELLI
NEATH
PORT TALBOT
BRIDGEND
CARDIFF
NEWPORT
HEREFORD
SHREWSBURY
CREWE
STOCKPORT
REDDISH SOUTH
DENTON
GUIDE BRIDGE
STALYBRIDGE
HUDDERSFIELD
DEWSBURY
LEEDS
GARFORTH
SELBY
GILBERDYKE
HULL........(for ferries to the North Sea Ports)

....and you have the added bonus of a trip on the world-famous Stockport to Stalybridge line.:D:D

To give it the good old-fashioned "working-class" ambience, what could be better than 4 x Class 142 Pacers suitably joined together with extra elastic bands, each one with a tea trolley serving Bovril and Hollands Meat Pies for the lads up north and strong black tea and Bara Brith for the lads from the Valleys. Cucumber sandwiches will only be served between Hereford and Shrewsbury.
 

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It would only be for the 170 services

Don't you mean LM for Worcester-B'ham

Also, the quickest Shrub Hill-New St services take about 40 mins by not stopping at Bromsgrove so that would make it 20mins slower, less if you could cut out Ashchurch :)

It is a lot of time to add on, and it seems quite pointless tbqh
 

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Indeed, Cardiff already has a bad deal with only having 1x170/hour to Birmingham, let alone wanting to route it via Worcester, a city with ample Birmingham services, and add on 20/30mins to the journey time. I can't see any XC going via Worcester etc again, if anything, 1h30 is already quite bad for the West Midlands-Avon run...
 

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What is the longest distance service that has ever run from Penzance? Aberdeen? Inverness or further north?!

Sorry off thread, but interested!

aberdeen. A service still does tìs but only southbound, no similar return working. 12 hours pluss on a voyager. Yuck!




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And now my idea, which has been mentioned before in another thread.

Edinburgh to Dumfries via the WCML - Edinburgh, Haymarket, Carstairs, Lockerbie, Carlisle, Reverse and call all stations to Dumfries. Stock would be a wrake of 3 mk2s with a trollie service and small first class section plus DVT and class 67. Alternatively to avoid deezol under wires and as a reverse at CAR is needed anyway, Run the 67 to there, detach it and shuv a 90 on the other end.
 

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Well I feel rather parochial, these being rather local suggestions... but here goes:

HULL-GLASGOW

Hull
Brough
Howden
Selby
Leeds
Shipley
Skipton
Settle
Carlisle
Lockerbie
Motherwell
Glasgow Central

Stock would be 180s, operator, Hull Trains. Although I'm not sure the Hull-Leeds and Carlisle-Glasgow sections would pass the "not primarily abstractive" test, so maybe it had best be a franchised service, maybe by TPE.

BRIDLINGTON EXTENSIONS FOR HULL TPE

On the Manchester Picc - Hull service I'd like to see 1 train every 2 hours extended to Bridlington, calling at Cottingham, Beverley, Driffield and Bridlington, with a timetable recast this should be in place of one of the existing fast services between Hull and Bridlington.

Of course there is no way TPE have enough stock to do this at the moment!
 

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HULL-GLASGOW

That's another service that I've thought might be a good one to run.

BRIDLINGTON EXTENSIONS FOR HULL TPE

Of course in FNW days transpennine services did used to extend to Bridlington, in fact modern day TPE crews still run a few of the services on behalf of Northern using their rolling stock so really it's only a rolling stock shortage that would prevent that happening pretty easily.
 
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Sheffield Midland - Skegness via Lincoln (Summer )

Leeds - Cleethorpes Via Sheffield Midland & Gainsborough Central ( Summer )

Sheffield Midland - Blackpool South via Hope Valley Stops

Nottingham - York/Scarborough Via Sheffield Midland & Pontfract

Nottingham-Cleethorpes via Worksop / Gainsborough Central ( Summer )
 
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Indeed, Cardiff already has a bad deal with only having 1x170/hour to Birmingham, let alone wanting to route it via Worcester, a city with ample Birmingham services, and add on 20/30mins to the journey time. I can't see any XC going via Worcester etc again, if anything, 1h30 is already quite bad for the West Midlands-Avon run...

If only Worcester Parkway was built :)
 

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A return to Transpennine trains serving Sunderland and a return to a 02.10 Newcastle - Manchester would be canny.

Also an all night service on the ECML between Edinburgh and London to give a 24 hour service including an ECML sleeper.

Oh and if we can go back to fantasy land, a Wagon-Lits sleeper from London Victoria to Paris using a train ferry giving a more civilised route to the Continent!
 

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I'd quite like to see Tyneside Metro trains that don't call everywhere. Maybe we could have services from the airport stopping at Callerton Parkway, and then going to South Hylton via Monument and Gateshead.
 

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I'd quite like to see Tyneside Metro trains that don't call everywhere. Maybe we could have services from the airport stopping at Callerton Parkway, and then going to South Hylton via Monument and Gateshead.

IIRC when the Metro first opened to Newcastle Airport there was a non-stop Tynemouth to Airport service, not sure how long it lasted mind!

If we're talking metro, I think a all night service would be useful even if its just an hourly service. A Metro to Blyth would be canny (and being lobbied by a few people in Northumberland)
 

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I say when the TPE franchise is split up, the Hulls should be tied with the North Wales coast and run right through Manchester, runing semi-fast only calling Picc, Oxford Road and Warrington before Chester. A stopper should be considered for the intermediate stops. There is room for great growth on the Manchester-Chester corridor.
 

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I say when the TPE franchise is split up, the Hulls should be tied with the North Wales coast and run right through Manchester, runing semi-fast only calling Picc, Oxford Road and Warrington before Chester. A stopper should be considered for the intermediate stops. There is room for great growth on the Manchester-Chester corridor.

How about a Birkenhead to Scarborough semi-fast?
 
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