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Shaving sockets on ECML Mk4 carriages

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Lurpi

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I am on a Virgin Trains East Coast Intercity 225 trainset and I couldn't help but notice that I found a shaving socket in the toilet. This surprised me, as I dimly recall travelling on a VTEC Intercity 125 two years ago and finding no sockets. On enquiring, a member of train staff told me that the operator was getting rid of them (which suggests that they were going to be removed across both the 125s and the 225s ).

Does anyone know any more about this?
 
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I am on a Virgin Trains East Coast Intercity 225 trainset and I couldn't help but notice that I found a shaving socket in the toilet. This surprised me, as I dimly recall travelling on a VTEC Intercity 125 two years ago and finding no sockets. On enquiring, a member of train staff told me that the operator was getting rid of them (which suggests that they were going to be removed across both the 125s and the 225s ).

Does anyone know any more about this?

I found one on a Mk2 TSO on Tuesday! I'm surprised they ever had them.
 

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The GWR HSTs used to have these, I have no idea if they do anymore. I will probably be on one tommorow, I'll have a look.
 

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Does anyone actually have a shave on the train?
 

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Does anyone actually have a shave on the train?

Fed up with sitting opposite women putting their make up on , so very tempted in the past when I commuted to shave (battery-electric one of course)

To answer the question - yes I knew certain long distance commuters of the past used to on board - enroute to Euston and Paddington.
 

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Maybe in the days when there were the overnight seated services on the ECML people did?
 

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Does anyone actually have a shave on the train?

I do when it's a Sleeper.

Fortunately the GWR ones have seen sense and have both normal and USB sockets in their refurbs so it's still possible to have a shave without resorting to a very noisy battery powered back up shaver...

Caledonan only have USB sockets in the cabins now, meaning it's either a battery shave or occupy a toilet needlessly for 10 - 15 minutes...
 

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Does anyone actually have a shave on the train?
The only time I've known an electric shaver in use on a daytime train was in Switzerland a few years ago. The guy was sitting there putting the finishing touches to his chin in the First Class coach between Montreux and Lausanne. Only in Switzerland.

I don't know because I wasn't there to use them, but I suspect that shaver points were considered modern and funky in the 1970s, and so had to be fitted in every washroom setting. Funny that they were still fitting them to the new East Coast trains in the late 1980s, but maybe an electric shaver was still considered by BR to be a cutting edge device. ;)
 

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When I used to use an electric I have used sockets on various trains. What amazes me however is that the MK4s which all went through a major refurb with new toilet compartments in the mid 2000s retain these.
 

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I am on a Virgin Trains East Coast Intercity 225 trainset and I couldn't help but notice that I found a shaving socket in the toilet. This surprised me, as I dimly recall travelling on a VTEC Intercity 125 two years ago and finding no sockets. On enquiring, a member of train staff told me that the operator was getting rid of them (which suggests that they were going to be removed across both the 125s and the 225s ).

Does anyone know any more about this?

When the member of staff 'told you that the operator was getting rid of them',
perhaps he meant the trains? :D
 

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There's one on MENTOR, the Mk1-based overhead line inspection vehicle. No idea whether it works or not.
 

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Does anyone actually have a shave on the train?

Back in the days when I used overnight trains, both here and on the continent, I certainly did shave on board but it was always a wet shave. The only time I made use of a shaver socket was on a Mk3 sleeper with a suitable adapter to charge my camera batteries!
 

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I have shaved on a train with a battery electric, but always felt kind of silly doing it the coach, so did occupy a toilet for 10 minutes. In my defense it was always on the 6:15 Edinburgh to Manchester (when a few extra minutes in bed were really worth it), so it was never exactly "ram packed."
 

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Just getting off a GWR coach 42281 has one of these in its toilet
 

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Does anyone actually have a shave on the train?

When in the 1990s I worked in Birmingham, I was often in a rush to catch the first intercity from Watford Junction and would use an electric shaver. I think shaver sockets were in every mk3 toilet when built.
 

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I have shaved on a train with a battery electric, but always felt kind of silly doing it the coach, so did occupy a toilet for 10 minutes. In my defense it was always on the 6:15 Edinburgh to Manchester (when a few extra minutes in bed were really worth it), so it was never exactly "ram packed."

I have often used shaver sockets in train toilets in the past. It was especially useful when travelling early in the morning, as it meant you could have a few more minutes in bed (or leave home earlier to give yourself more time to catch your train), as you say.

I rather suspect that train operators are now getting rid of them because they found that not many people were using them, so it is not worth the cost of maintaining them, or that people were misusing them (for example, by plugging higher wattage appliances such as hairdryers into them).

Or I suppose they might have had complaints from passengers about people occupying a toilet for 5-10 minutes to have a shave. With more people travelling by train now than in the 1970s or '80s, space is at a premium, so they feel that they need to have more seats and fewer toilets (hence only one toilet per coach in the refurbished Mark 4s instead of two when built), and there will be more pressure on the remaining toilets.

I suppose battery or rechargeable shavers may also have reduced the demand for shaver sockets on trains. I now also have a battery shaver, and have recently bought one that you recharge by plugging it into a USB socket on a computer, as I can't rely on there to be shaver sockets everywhere I go.
 

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Given the number of spandex-clad cyclists travelling on our trains these days, I wouldn't be surprised if a few knobbly-kneed legs get shaved mid-journey...
 

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On the French Intercities du Nuit the shaving sockets in the corridors just aappear to be used as phone chargers as continental plugs seem to fit into them

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On the French Intercities du Nuit the shaving sockets in the corridors just aappear to be used as phone chargers as continental plugs seem to fit into them

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Yes they do, that was the time honoured method for charging up on the Caledonian Sleeper. Get a continental adaptor and plug your phone into it. A bit wafty but it worked okay.

Much better now that they provide 4x USB in each compartment.
 

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I have often used shaver sockets in train toilets in the past. It was especially useful when travelling early in the morning, as it meant you could have a few more minutes in bed (or leave home earlier to give yourself more time to catch your train), as you say.

I rather suspect that train operators are now getting rid of them because they found that not many people were using them, so it is not worth the cost of maintaining them, or that people were misusing them (for example, by plugging higher wattage appliances such as hairdryers into them).

Or I suppose they might have had complaints from passengers about people occupying a toilet for 5-10 minutes to have a shave. With more people travelling by train now than in the 1970s or '80s, space is at a premium, so they feel that they need to have more seats and fewer toilets (hence only one toilet per coach in the refurbished Mark 4s instead of two when built), and there will be more pressure on the remaining toilets.

I suppose battery or rechargeable shavers may also have reduced the demand for shaver sockets on trains. I now also have a battery shaver, and have recently bought one that you recharge by plugging it into a USB socket on a computer, as I can't rely on there to be shaver sockets everywhere I go.

Hairdryers? Good luck to anyone attempting to wash their hair in the tiny basin in a train toilet!
 

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I have shaved on a train with a battery electric, but always felt kind of silly doing it the coach, so did occupy a toilet for 10 minutes. In my defense it was always on the 6:15 Edinburgh to Manchester (when a few extra minutes in bed were really worth it), so it was never exactly "ram packed."

Ram packed is still half empty according to Jeremy Corbyn! :lol:

Back on topic, I believe EMT HSTs have shaving sockets in every toilet and are also brandished with the BR logo of the time (now used by National Rail). I could be wrong, been a while since I last travelled on one.
 

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Hairdryers? Good luck to anyone attempting to wash their hair in the tiny basin in a train toilet!

And probably impossible as the fuse in the isolation transformer of the shaver socket would quite quickly blow, even 1A @ 230V is probably impossible.

Still people will try.
 

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Hairdryers? Good luck to anyone attempting to wash their hair in the tiny basin in a train toilet!

I've manages to wash my hair a few times, always keeping to a train just off the depot though! Inset basins are a swine though, you end up with water all over the floor, not good when your mate comes in afterwards in his socks :lol:
 
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