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"Shocking increase in passengers being attacked on Britain's trains"

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I saw this article on The Independent's website, and hadn't seen it posted so I thought I'd start a thread to discuss it.

Rail staffing cuts blamed for 'shocking' increase in passengers being attacked on Britain's trains

Rail staffing cuts blamed for 'shocking' increase in passengers being attacked on Britain's trains

JONATHAN OWEN Saturday 25 July 2015

It’s a crime wave that has shocked safety campaigners and spurred British Transport Police (BTP) to start a major trial of body cameras, as the number of passengers attacked on Britain’s trains hits its highest figure in a decade.

More than 2,880 people were assaulted or abused on the nation’s railways last year. Around half – 1,442, the highest number in 10 years – took place on trains. The remaining 1,446 assaults occurred on platforms and in station buildings.

Common assaults, which account for around half of crimes, have soared by 39 per cent in the past five years, from 1,053 in 2010-11 to 1,459 in 2014-15. And one in five offences is racially aggravated harassment, with cases rising by a third in five years.

The new figures, described as “shocking” and “alarming” by campaigners who blame cuts to staff on trains and at railway stations for the rise in violence, are contained in the latest annual safety report by the Rail Safety and Standards Board.

“Taking into account the growth in passenger journeys, there was a 6 per cent increase in the number of passenger and public assaults,” says the report, released last week. “This is the first increase in the rate since 2008-09. Assaults in station and train locations both increased.”

And it is members of the public who are bearing the brunt of the growth in attacks. “The number of assaults on the workforce leading to harm has remained essentially level for the past three years, at around 850 per year,” adds the report.

Mick Cash, general secretary of the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers (RMT), said: “These are shocking figures and RMT is in no doubt that they are directly linked to the drive to axe staff from both stations and trains.” He added: “RMT warned repeatedly that sacking guards and removing platform staff would turn our railways into a criminals’ and yobbos’ paradise, and that’s what’s happened.”

Up to a third of the savings which the Government wants rail companies to make by 2019 are expected to come through reduced staffing costs, according to the trade unions. This would mean the loss of some 14,000 train guards and station staff, according to TUC estimates.

“This alarming rise in assaults highlights the folly of allowing train companies to slash staffing on trains and at stations,” said Frances O’Grady, TUC general secretary. “Ministers and rail firms should be making the railways more accessible, not making cuts that threaten passengers’ health and safety.”

Commenting on the figures, a BTP spokesman said: “Any rise in crime is, obviously, both disappointing and a concern.” He added: “We now put more officers on late-evening and night trains to reassure passengers and deter problematic behaviour ...we are now also in the process of enhancing this coverage by carrying out a trial of body-worn cameras in a number of cities.”

Senior officers hope that the video cameras will serve as a deterrent as they provide a strong form of evidence. More than 250 police officers and police community support officers (PCSOs) are involved in a series of pilots in London, Leeds, Leicester, Edinburgh, and Glasgow. The trials, which began in May, will run for 10 months and could lead to the cameras being rolled out throughout the force.

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Thoughts?

I'd be interested to know more about the circumstances of these incidents.

I have a feeling they may be occuring on busy, crowded trains in city centres, rather than on deserted late night services.
 
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I saw this article on The Independent's website, and hadn't seen it posted so I thought I'd start a thread to discuss it.

Rail staffing cuts blamed for 'shocking' increase in passengers being attacked on Britain's trains

Thoughts?

I'd be interested to know more about the circumstances of these incidents.

I have a feeling they may be occuring on busy, crowded trains in city centres, rather than on deserted late night services.


Trust me on one thing (if nothing else) so called deserted late night services is when most unlawful things happen. I purposely make sure everyone knows there is a 2nd member of staff onboard as it helps decrease the chances but due to alcohol/drugs or just being a d*ck people believe it is acceptable which is about as wrong as you can get.
 

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Sounds like scaremongering to me, I've not witnessed any violence on the rail network.
 

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Difficult to comment really in the absence of year-by-year details.

Many factors at play here.
 

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I note the words above of Professor Mick Cash, that highly respected criminologist and psychologist that the railways are now turned into a criminals' and yobbos' paradise. As you will all be aware, he normally is known for his quietly considered words of matter explanation, so this statement is somewhat disquieting to hear from him...:roll:

Professor Count Arthur Strong from the University of Life has backed his words and gives his reason as the riding of pregnant women in Class 142 Pacers since the mid-1980's,, causing the amniotic fluid around the unborn infant to be shaken vigorously and causing disturbance to the equilibrium in the developing brain of the foetus, leading to a generation of railway-affected "criminals and yobbos".....:D
 

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I note the words above of Professor Mick Cash, that highly respected criminologist and psychologist that the railways are now turned into a criminals' and yobbos' paradise. As you will all be aware, he normally is known for his quietly considered words of matter explanation, so this statement is somewhat disquieting to hear from him...:roll:

Professor Count Arthur Strong from the University of Life has backed his words and gives his reason as the riding of pregnant women in Class 142 Pacers since the mid-1980's,, causing the amniotic fluid around the unborn infant to be shaken vigorously and causing disturbance to the equilibrium in the developing brain of the foetus, leading to a generation of railway-affected "criminals and yobbos".....:D

Paul as you know I have always respected your words on this forum but I will now be blunt......The Macc/Stoke line is one of our worst for anti social behaviour by a mile (Only Hadfield comes close). Violence on our trains is a day to day issue that is countrywide and a lack of staff (especially in DOO areas will give thugs the confidence they need to continue their ways. (I do my best to make sure that everyone knows that there is more than one member of staff on board and I hope that reduces problems on our services but when the guards are gone who knows what will happen.
 

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Paul as you know I have always respected your words on this forum but I will now be blunt......The Macc/Stoke line is one of our worst for anti social behaviour by a mile (Only Hadfield comes close). Violence on our trains is a day to day issue that is countrywide and a lack of staff (especially in DOO areas will give thugs the confidence they need to continue their ways. (I do my best to make sure that everyone knows that there is more than one member of staff on board and I hope that reduces problems on our services but when the guards are gone who knows what will happen.

As you will be aware, I too have always had the greatest respect for your views on this website, but railways are not the sole area where behaviour of the worst kind is seen. Look, not just at large city centres, but even small country towns and villages, where drink-fuelled (sometimes with drugs added) anti-social behaviour cause the police no end of problems. Are those areas not also a criminals' and yobbos's paradise, but the quote in the original posting only gave the impression that the railways suffered from this problem.

Then there is the more sinister co-ordinated riot situation that hit large city centres not so many years ago, when in response to an incident in London, criminally-co-ordinated violence erupted and large shopping precincts and retail shops were looted and goods were stolen in great numbers. Now THAT event is something that is worthy of the cited phrase of "criminals' and yobbos' paradise".
 
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Sounds like scaremongering to me, I've not witnessed any violence on the rail network.

Then you're very fortunate. I've witnessed it too many times, and not just on the late night booze cruises either.

As for what Cash said, it's predictable but it's true. Unstaffed stations and unstaffed trains attract trouble.
 

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But, as I have said in my last posting, even areas with large numbers of people around, especially in the evenings, are subject to such behaviour, so areas unstaffed are not the sole recipient of such behaviour.

Are we attempting to enter a race to the bottom here Paul?

This is about the railway and there's no question that there's more anti social behaviour including assaults at unmanned locations.

I wasn't even a guard but I left passenger work because I was sick of the increasingly drunken and violent behaviour on passenger trains and headed to the freight where for all its faults I don't have to deal with the people anymore.
 

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So because you haven't seen it means it doesn't happen?!

That isn't what I said is it?:roll:
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Then you're very fortunate. I've witnessed it too many times, and not just on the late night booze cruises either.

As for what Cash said, it's predictable but it's true. Unstaffed stations and unstaffed trains attract trouble.

Perhaps, I have travelled regularly through some of the rougher parts of London, I've seen plenty of anti social behavior but no violence
 

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Without statistics of the amount of assaults in certain areas it is difficult to ascertain blame on the reasons why there are more assaults. What we need are areas and time of day to make a good comparison to see whether it is the cuts in staff or just an increase in the figures generally.

If for instance there are more assaults on trains where there is DOO then yes it is down to the lack of a guard on the trains that is the root cause to the increase.

To compare is there an increase of assaults in general over the country and if so what is the percentage increase compared to the increase on the railway network.

It is easy to spout figures but without detailed figures and a base to compare it against it means nothing.
 

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I suppose that I will be castigated for now even daring to suggest that once the schools break up for their long summer holidays, that there will be increases in both railway and all other areas of behaviour that those left-wing apologists for such will rush to excuse.

I am 70 years of age and have knowledge of such matters for far longer than many on this website. I remember "half-bricks" being thrown at the dray horses in the 1950's outside Manchester Oldham Road goods station by some of "mother's little darlings", just to cite one such example.

Such behaviour as described above is nothing new.
 

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Let's not turn this into a Driver Only Operation (DOO) debate; there is much more chance of seeing staff patrolling a DOO train in Strathclyde than there is seeing staff on a late evening TPE service from Manchester Piccadilly or Leeds (the Guard is usually in the back cab on the evening trains I use), in my experience, so it's not quite true to say that a particular method of operation means that there will be less incidents.

I personally would like to see more staff patrolling trains, especially in the evenings. I believe a visible staff presence is a good deterrent, though that doesn't guarantee all incidents can be prevented of course.
 

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If for instance there are more assaults on trains where there is DOO then yes it is down to the lack of a guard on the trains that is the root cause to the increase.

The root cause of an increase in assaults is down to DOO? I wouldn't switch jobs to criminology anytime soon.

Reasons for an increase in crime are manifold and complex. One type of railway operation explaining the increase across the board? I think not.

It's easy to spout opinion but without detailed analysis and statistically robust evidence it means nothing.
 

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Well said Paul, Trains are public transport so there is always going to be cases of violence and yobbish behavior on any form of transport and trains are no different although thankfully i have never encountered any while travelling by train only when travelling by bus. Personally i dont think having staff on the train makes a difference and may only make any troublemakers turn on the staff than on innocent members of the public.
 
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Well said Paul, Trains are public transport so there is always going to be cases of violence and yobbish behavior on any form of transport and trains are no different although thankfully i have never encountered any while travelling by train only when travelling by bus. Personally i dont think having staff on the train makes a difference and may only make any troublemakers turn on the staff than on innocent members of the public.

I would imagine CCTV is a big deterrent? If any would be thug knows that good quality footage is likely to be available
 

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Fear of possible trouble is almost a big a deterrent to travel as actual violence. And the actions of both Network Rail & Highway authorities contribute to making matters worse by providing structures / locations where "undesirables" can (and do sometimes) lurk, out of sight until you get near them.

Subways - would you willingly use a poorly lit subway - on your own - at night ?

Footbridges - the older types with lattice structures made it easy to spot if anyone was there; the newer types with high, solid parapets make it impossible to see if anyone is lurking there. Removal of boarded crossings may satisfy "safety obsessed types", but I, for one, felt safer on a boarded crossing than in a "quiet" subway or on a "mainly enclosed" footbridge.
 

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In respect of the staff who are at stations or on trains, what specialised training do they receive in order that they can deal with the type of behaviour mentioned in the first posting on this thread?

There may be cases where there will be a number of miscreants in a group to deal with. What is the union recommended course of action that these staff are expected to follow in such cases where they are clearly outnumbered by those intent upon troublemaking.
 

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Yes there is some evidence reported in the media of an increase in criminal behavior on trains. Have I seen any? Not really anything worse than drunken antics but there is always the possibility on late night trains of it getting worse.

Quite what that has to do with unions i am not sure.....................
 
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If that is the case, what position is held by Mick Cash who is reported as making the statement in the very first posting of the quiz.

Err... Mick Cash sticking is oar in.

Edit: Beaten to it. Well said Paul.

A shock that a reporter, knowing the union is likely to offer a juicy quote, calls them up and then adds the terms to his copy?

Double shock that the union then use the offered platform to publicse one of their campaigns and keep their members happy?

How awful
 

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Hmm.

BTP introduced their 61016 service for reporting railway crime by text in the last few years, and TfL and BTP have both been running campaigns recently to get people to report antisocial behaviour and harassment on trains.

Maybe some of the rise in figures can be ascribed to an increase in the proportion of crimes that actually get reported?
 

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If they do not have the common knowledge of dealing with obvious press traps, then it is about time that they did. To come out with the reported language in the quote is naivety of the highest degree.

seems a fairly balanced article to me that has attempted to hear from all sides.

Mick Cash said:
Mick Cash, general secretary of the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers (RMT), said: “These are shocking figures and RMT is in no doubt that they are directly linked to the drive to axe staff from both stations and trains.” He added: “RMT warned repeatedly that sacking guards and removing platform staff would turn our railways into a criminals’ and yobbos’ paradise, and that’s what’s happened.”

what is wrong with that quote? Would you prefer a less direct response in the style of a politician? I assume it represents the position of the union in question and is made in the style of the general secretary AND gets their message into the mainstream media. I don't understand you point, sorry.
 

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Paul as you know I have always respected your words on this forum but I will now be blunt......The Macc/Stoke line is one of our worst for anti social behaviour by a mile (Only Hadfield comes close). Violence on our trains is a day to day issue that is countrywide and a lack of staff (especially in DOO areas will give thugs the confidence they need to continue their ways. (I do my best to make sure that everyone knows that there is more than one member of staff on board and I hope that reduces problems on our services but when the guards are gone who knows what will happen.

I find it quite shocking that the Macc/Stoke line is by far the worst locally for anti-social behaviour since it is one which has many stations in the most affluent towns and villages in the North-West. Now worried about my family in Congleton who live near the station, is this in fact a Cheshire No-Go Area? Tory thugs buying champagne and using the bottles as deadly weapons? Or is this the only Northern line where local yobs can afford to use the train?
 
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