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Slough to London train: more direct services needed says MP

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Windsor MP Jack Rankin has asked officials from Great Western Railway (GRW) and Transport for London to bring in more frequent direct services from Slough to London Paddington. It comes after GWR cut its peak-time direct trains between the two stations last year.
 
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Can definitely understand the frustration of seeing the Didcot to Paddington services, a large number of which are 12 carriages, flying through Slough during the peak but stopping off peak which has always seemed strange to me.

however is 6tph Elizabeth line not adequate?
 

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Can definitely understand the frustration of seeing the Didcot to Paddington services, a large number of which are 12 carriages, flying through Slough during the peak but stopping off peak which has always seemed strange to me.

however is 6tph Elizabeth line not adequate?
It certainly seems adequate. More inadequate to me is the 2-coach Windsor to Slough shuttle (especially when it's full of college kids) but that's not an easy problem to solve without either a prohibitively expensive extension of the Reading 165s or robbing Peter to pay Paul. One would have thought that that might have been the Windsor MP's particular transport ideal!
 

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It comes after GWR cut its peak-time direct trains between the two stations last year.
They were transferred from GWR to Elizabeth Line. The same quantum of services run to and from Slough in the peaks as before. Latterly the GWR trains at Slough in the peak had run 'non-stop' but in practice just went all the way down the relief line held up by stoppers with lots of pathing time. Stops were put in at Ealing Broadway and West Drayton with no change in the journey time.

It is quite a while since Slough had genuine fast high peak services to London.
 

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IIRC if you go back 10 years or more MPs all along the line were very vocal when insisting Crossrail went all the way to Reading, so something had to make way. Is there an element of “being careful what you wish for”?
 

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Can definitely understand the frustration of seeing the Didcot to Paddington services, a large number of which are 12 carriages, flying through Slough during the peak but stopping off peak which has always seemed strange to me.
Do those trains have capacity for Slough to Paddington passengers?
 

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An extra 2tph equivalent is provided by the Elizabeth Line and only has two extra stops
 

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It seems to be a bit of a complaint about nothing really. Since the Elizabeth Line has opened, Slough is much better connected than it used to be.
Unless they actually work in Paddington station, surely it's preferable to have the Elizabeth Line which goes to a much wider range of central London destinations (and better tube interchanges) rather than a train which might get to Paddington a few minutes faster, when most of the time gained is then lost by the really long walk to interchange with the tube at Paddington.
 
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Do those trains have capacity for Slough to Paddington passengers?
I don’t know, however given GWR had to introduce an extra peak service from Reading to Paddington (1P78) calling at Maidenhead only would suggest the existing services are already full from Maidenhaed.
 

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It certainly seems adequate. More inadequate to me is the 2-coach Windsor to Slough shuttle (especially when it's full of college kids) but that's not an easy problem to solve without either a prohibitively expensive extension of the Reading 165s or robbing Peter to pay Paul. One would have thought that that might have been the Windsor MP's particular transport ideal!

There is a 2 car restriction on the route at the moment due to DOO cameras being inadequate, hopefully someone will find a pot of money and they will electrify the line and then you could have a 4 car 387 running up and down
 

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I don’t know, however given GWR had to introduce an extra peak service from Reading to Paddington (1P78) calling at Maidenhead only would suggest the existing services are already full from Maidenhaed.

That was always the problem, and why Slough peak fast calls have not been a thing for quite some time, certainly pre-dating the Elizabeth line. The reason 6tph EL is perceived to be inferior is more to do with the interior quality of the (metro) trains and Slough/Maidenhead/Twyford perception that they justify higher quality rolling stock and service prioritisation than they actually get, which was the flaw with the western end of the EL concept.
 

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There is a 2 car restriction on the route at the moment due to DOO cameras being inadequate, hopefully someone will find a pot of money and they will electrify the line and then you could have a 4 car 387 running up and down
Ah, thanks. Can't the platform at Central only take a 3-car though? (Though I'd hope that, if a pot of money is found to electrify it, the disused end of the platform at Central would be redone at the same time...) Do I infer correctly from your post that the restriction is unlikely to be lifted any time soon?
 

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I don’t know, however given GWR had to introduce an extra peak service from Reading to Paddington (1P78) calling at Maidenhead only would suggest the existing services are already full from Maidenhaed.
Some of the maidenhead departures to Paddington between 7.30- 8.30 have people standing. The rest of the morning peaks to Paddington i usually get a seat to myself.
Even the 0646 peak which stops at Slough doesn't have people standing

Return home. The 8 cars often full and standing, the 12 cars usually have all seats occupied and a handful of people standing
 
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I can assure everyone that peak services stopping at Twyford and Maidenhead are full to overflowing most of the time except maybe for Friday. The first off peak Cotswold service is also very busy. EL was given most of the paths east Maidenhead for political reasons so next to no chance of GWR getting any of them back.
 

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Ah, thanks. Can't the platform at Central only take a 3-car though? (Though I'd hope that, if a pot of money is found to electrify it, the disused end of the platform at Central would be redone at the same time...) Do I infer correctly from your post that the restriction is unlikely to be lifted any time soon?
3 car is the max that can fit due to the DOO monitors

They do run 4’s when events are on but that includes 2 drivers and multiple staff to dispatch

The issue in question is the clarity of the DOO monitors esp with sunlight, the easiest fix would be to just have a guard on the train but that won’t happen
 

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Of course, until fairly recently, Slough did also have the Oxford & Cotswold services call there as well which would have helped. Although of course these were dropped when the ramping up of Crossrail happened.
 

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The issue in question is the clarity of the DOO monitors esp with sunlight, the easiest fix would be to just have a guard on the train but that won’t happen
Would it not need some form of monitor anyway, given the platform is rather narrow and on quite a severe left-hand curve (facing towards Slough)?
 

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EL was given most of the paths east Maidenhead for political reasons so next to no chance of GWR getting any of them back.
I'm sure it was because through trains to central London was what the majority of passengers wanted, rather than 'political reasons'. Would 'practical reasons' be a better view to take?

Of course, until fairly recently, Slough did also have the Oxford & Cotswold services call there as well which would have helped. Although of course these were dropped when the ramping up of Crossrail happened.
They didn't stop in the peaks though, at least not in the last ten years.
 

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Ah, thanks. Can't the platform at Central only take a 3-car though? (Though I'd hope that, if a pot of money is found to electrify it, the disused end of the platform at Central would be redone at the same time...) Do I infer correctly from your post that the restriction is unlikely to be lifted any time soon?

I've definitely seen a 3 car on it. It used to be "look back" DOO, I guess cameras have been fitted instead and aren't quite good enough as noted above.
 

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I've definitely seen a 3 car on it. It used to be "look back" DOO, I guess cameras have been fitted instead and aren't quite good enough as noted above.
Mirrors and leaning out of the window are very much non-preferred now, for perhaps understandable reasons. Frustratingly, horrendously bad image quality cameras is also common... go figure.
 

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Of course, until fairly recently, Slough did also have the Oxford & Cotswold services call there as well which would have helped.
I think it's fair to say that Cotswold passengers are quite happy the Slough stops have been dropped!
 

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I think it's fair to say that Cotswold passengers are quite happy the Slough stops have been dropped!
Not only them. Those services used to clog up the mainline out of Paddington, often causing knock on delays to following Bristol and Plymouth trains. Current setup works far better.
 

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It certainly seems adequate. More inadequate to me is the 2-coach Windsor to Slough shuttle (especially when it's full of college kids) but that's not an easy problem to solve without either a prohibitively expensive extension of the Reading 165s or robbing Peter to pay Paul. One would have thought that that might have been the Windsor MP's particular transport ideal!
If they extend Windsor platforms maybe they can convert the shuttle at peak times into a fast train to Paddington only stopping at Slough. They would just have to time the paths correctly.
 

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If they extend Windsor platforms maybe they can convert the shuttle at peak times into a fast train to Paddington only stopping at Slough. They would just have to time the paths correctly.
They wouldn't want diesels into Paddington (exception of the handful of current services) and where would it path? On the mains?
 

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They wouldn't want diesels into Paddington (exception of the handful of current services) and where would it path? On the mains?
If you make the platforms long enough you could do a stupid IET allocation. But yes most likely it would see the return of diesels into Paddington. And it would obviously path on the mains.
 

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If you make the platforms long enough you could do a stupid IET allocation. But yes most likely it would see the return of diesels into Paddington. And it would obviously path on the mains.
Not going to happen. Crossing the down main on the flat is not going to work.
 

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They wouldn't want diesels into Paddington (exception of the handful of current services) and where would it path? On the mains?
Surely it wouldn’t take much effort to electrify the Windsor Branch, or procure battery trains for use on the branch?
 

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Surely it wouldn’t take much effort to electrify the Windsor Branch, or procure battery trains for use on the branch?
Battery trains on the branch would seem more likely than electrification. Both would seem more likely than any attempt to run direct services to Paddington, which is a total non starter.
 

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If they extend Windsor platforms maybe they can convert the shuttle at peak times into a fast train to Paddington only stopping at Slough. They would just have to time the paths correctly.
Half of platform 1 was sold off for retail use in the 1990s, it originally extended all the way to the tourist information office. Look at old pictures on Flickr, there was plenty of capacity for long trains. Now whenever there's a major event dozens of coaches have to be hired to shuttle from Slough to Windsor.
 

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Surely it wouldn’t take much effort to electrify the Windsor Branch, or procure battery trains for use on the branch?
A battery train can't get a better gap to cross to the up line than a diesel one.

Half of platform 1 was sold off for retail use in the 1990s, it originally extended all the way to the tourist information office. Look at old pictures on Flickr, there was plenty of capacity for long trains. Now whenever there's a major event dozens of coaches have to be hired to shuttle from Slough to Windsor.
Really? Wasn't that just an issue for the wedding? The rest of the time the SWR services and the four car Turbo are mostly adequate. Also plenty of people will use the frequent 8/103/702/703 and other local routes.
 
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