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Sony - The Worst Earphones Ever Manufactured ?

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Lots of dislike for Bose on here. I've been buying their headphones and in-ear headphones since their first Noice Cancelling sets came out. They generally perform well in the Which? Tests, and I've been happy with them, though I did have a small pair of folding Sennheiser NCs that were brilliant for business trips.

I'm now also converted to earbuds after initial scepticism, again, Bose.

That said, my motto with Bose is "Buy Obsolete Stock Only": great deals can be had on the outgoing models with a 50% discount and more direct or via Amazon.

Never used their headphones or earphones/buds, noise-cancelling or otherwise but the things that put me off Bose - and to be fair a couple of other brands - is that pretty much all their kit seems to me to be priced to its "fashion value" not its "engineering value" and that I really, really don't like the engineering of their HiFi and PA gear. Your motto deals with the first problem pretty well I'd say. I mostly won't buy Apple kit for the first reason either, but I do appreciate the engineering that has gone into some (not all) of their products.
 
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Never used their headphones or earphones/buds, noise-cancelling or otherwise but the things that put me off Bose - and to be fair a couple of other brands - is that pretty much all their kit seems to me to be priced to its "fashion value" not its "engineering value" and that I really, really don't like the engineering of their HiFi and PA gear. Your motto deals with the first problem pretty well I'd say. I mostly won't buy Apple kit for the first reason either, but I do appreciate the engineering that has gone into some (not all) of their products.

While it is marked up a bit for the brand, Apple kit is like a Volkswagen car - you do pay a little more for the brand and there's no Kia/Dacia option, but you're also getting an excellent piece of engineering. Windows laptops for instance as well-built and well-specced as the Macbooks come in at a similar price - the reason people think those are expensive is that there isn't a 400 quid value option at Tesco. iPhones and iPads are similar - they're excellent hardware, priced not much above a similar spec premium Android phone, there just isn't a £200 budget option.

I'm not married to Apple (I bounce back and forth between them and Windows/Android as I see fit) but do prefer premium devices, and at the moment I'm finding the Apple options to be just a little bit better at a not dissimilar price. Meanwhile the biggest piece of junk I've bought recently is a Dell XPS 13 laptop (previous generation, I believe they've improved it) - just inferior to a Macbook Air in near enough every way despite having a similar price point. Bad build quality, bad camera, low battery life, bad screen - just junk.
 

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While it is marked up a bit for the brand, Apple kit is like a Volkswagen car - you do pay a little more for the brand and there's no Kia/Dacia option, but you're also getting an excellent piece of engineering. Windows laptops for instance as well-built and well-specced as the Macbooks come in at a similar price - the reason people think those are expensive is that there isn't a 400 quid value option at Tesco. iPhones and iPads are similar - they're excellent hardware, priced not much above a similar spec premium Android phone, there just isn't a £200 budget option.

I'm not married to Apple (I bounce back and forth between them and Windows/Android as I see fit) but do prefer premium devices, and at the moment I'm finding the Apple options to be just a little bit better at a not dissimilar price. Meanwhile the biggest piece of junk I've bought recently is a Dell XPS 13 laptop (previous generation, I believe they've improved it) - just inferior to a Macbook Air in near enough every way despite having a similar price point. Bad build quality, bad camera, low battery life, bad screen - just junk.
I object to the way that Apple makes it nigh-on impossible to repair or repurpose their devices. A typical mid-range Windows laptop can have its screen replaced reasonably easily (I have a colleague at work who has done several) and even if it doesn't have an easy way to get inside (one of my personal laptops requires the removal of about 20 small screws) they can mostly have their memory and storage, and in some cases things like WiFi upgraded on your kitchen table. As a non-Windows user, most Windows laptops can easily have Linux installed (though there are a few which are tricky apparently) but it can take many months or even years for people to "crack" Apple devices sufficiently that they will run a Linux, and even longer to enable things like graphics acceleration.

A typical Apple laptop - which I have to agree is gorgeous to look at and works really well - is stuck with whatever hardware you ordered at time of purchase. 8GB RAM not quite enough three years down the line because you couldn't afford £200 to step up from 8GB to 16GB at the time (current price for upgrading a £999 M1 Macbook Air)? Tough. Even if you can get inside, there is probably no socket; the RAM is soldered on to the board, or in the case of the ARM-based machines, physically attached to the CPU package. SSD dies or you simply need to upgrade because you couldn't afford £200 to step up from 256GB to 512GB? Well yes, maybe you can get inside but woe betide you put a generic SSD in the place of Apple's approved model - for example some years ago it was discovered that with one model of iMac, if you dared replace the internal HDD with a non-Apple spare, the machine would notice and would ramp the cooling fans up to maximum permanently. It turned out that the HDD manufacturers had written "Apple specific" firmware which changed the way the temperature sensor worked, and that drives with this firmware were not on sale to the general public. Bear in mind that a full 16GB of generic DDR5 laptop memory retails for about £50 today, or £70 - £80 for a faster stick, and a fast ~500GB NVMe SSD would only set you back about £70.

And a particular gripe, working in a place where people bring their laptops in to connect to our systems, it's settled down now, but there was a period where Apple seemingly changed the external monitor socket with every generation of laptop. I have dozens of different adapters! We saw this coming when the iMac was released nearly 25 years ago. Without warning, and without any kind of alternative, Apple ditched floppy discs and both the Apple Desktop Bus and SCSI in favour of a CD reader, USB (and USB 1 at that) and IDE, meaning that people who had invested thousands in equipment which used those connections (everything from keyboards, mice and modems to hugely expensive external hard drives, CD writers, scanners, printers and suchlike) could not use them (immediately - third parties came out with adapters before very long) with the new systems, and ended up buying new. It wasn't that the move to USB and IDE was a poor move (it absolutely wasn't), it was the way that users with older kit were effectively abandoned, a situation which hit my wife many years later when we discovered that her MacMini - one of the first with an Intel processor - was abandoned by Apple (in terms of OS updates and upgrades) after just five years. Crumbs, the thing still works today, eighteen years after we bought it, but it is so out of date that it's only really much use for the esoteric functions of the Epson scanner software and probably isn't safe to be allowed on to the big, bad internet.

The situation is even worse with phones. I realise that there is some deal going through at the moment which means that Apple is going to be forced (in Europe) to allow third-parties to replace things like screens and batteries, but they will still have to buy them via Apple and register them with Apple because otherwise - as at the moment - the phone will recognise the "foreign" part and refuse to use it. Apple charges around £280 to replace the screen on an iPhone 12. It doesn't have to be this way. The Fairphone 4 is cheaper than many iPhones and has internals that are entirely user-accessible. It is also built in a factory which treats its workers well and uses some Fairtrade and recycled materials. The battery is not glued-in and can easily be replaced for €30, and a user with a modicum of dexterity with a screwdriver could replace the screen for €80, the rear camera assembly for €80, the front camera for €30, the earpiece for €15, the USB socket for €15 and so on and so on. They have also been fairly open about their version of Android, so that it has been possible almost since the phone was launched to replace its stock OS with one of the "de Google-ified" replacements such as LineageOS. Ok, so the FP4 isn't as svelte as the iPhones, but if I had that amount of money to spend on a phone (I don't), I know which I would be going for. Instead I'm stuck looking to replace my 9-year-old Moto G, probably with something second-hand but which can take LineageOS. The danger is not knowing how good the battery is, and as very few phones (obviously not just Apple) have easily-replaceable batteries, I might have to be sending a new-to-me phone off for battery replacement sooner rather than later!

Apologies for that. I have a good line in rants about that sort of thing and could probably go on all afternoon.
 

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To counter the thing about a lack of upgradability of Apple kit (which is valid), though I would disagree on repairability, pretty much every phone shop can do an iPad or iPhone screen, for example, Apple kit tends to hold its value and so be resold, potentially several times, when used Windows laptops might go in the bin.

In the end it's horses for courses. Clearly Apple isn't for you, but most people aren't interested in replacing the OS on a laptop, and replacing the OS on a phone is a proper enthusiast thing and incredibly niche.

The Fairphone is a great idea, but it isn't a premium phone, the spec is quite poor. If you will happily use a 9 year old phone, you are in a totally different segment of the market to me. (Which is fine, like with cars there are a number of market segments with different products at different price points). I have, in times when I was in a financially tighter position, had a Moto G something or other, and it was OK enough, but it was sluggish particularly after an OS upgrade, so I concluded that market segment wasn't really for me. Because IT is my thing I use user interfaces very fast, and get frustrated if there's even the slightest lag.
 

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It's interesting what "premium" means in phone world. I have a work iPhone and a mid-market Android personal phone (Moto G7 Power). The Apple is better engineered and has a better display and camera. But the Moto can take a *512* GB memory card, the battery used to last 3 days (down to 2 now but the phone is 3 years old) and it is more flexible. Yet the Apple phone when both were new was 2.5x the Moto...

(The huge memory card and long battery seemed like great features for a regular traveller like me in..... February 2020) :s
 

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It's interesting what "premium" means in phone world. I have a work iPhone and a mid-market Android personal phone (Moto G7 Power). The Apple is better engineered and has a better display and camera. But the Moto can take a *512* GB memory card, the battery used to last 3 days (down to 2 now but the phone is 3 years old) and it is more flexible. Yet the Apple phone when both were new was 2.5x the Moto...

(The huge memory card and long battery seemed like great features for a regular traveller like me in..... February 2020) :s

You can buy a 1TB iPhone now. Memory cards are a faff which most people don't want, and Android makes a hash of supporting them anyway (e.g. not all apps will install to one). I'd rather have a big internal memory than an SD card of any kind.

("But how do I rip a DVD and copy it to the device?" => you don't. Modern smartphone users don't do that at all, they buy or rent the film from Apple, Amazon etc and download it from there via wifi or even mobile data. Most people aged under about 25 won't even know what a DVD is, they consume all their media online.)

The important thing about battery life is that it lasts a full day of heavy use. Most smartphone users plug it in overnight, so several days is less of a benefit.
 
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Personally, I've found Apple Air Pods and Apple wired earphones to be the worst I've used, the sound quality is acceptable but they don't stay in my ears for more than a few seconds without needing readjusting.
 

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Personally, I like Soundmagic E10 ear buds which are ~ £32 or so.
Another vote for the Soundmagic E10s here- Absolutely the best bang for buck available.

They're solid metal built, sound great, they isolate well, they don't leak noise and the cable is almost impossible to tangle. Still going strong after 10 years of abuse, the only complaint is the carry case is getting a bit tatty!

I've wasted good money on Sennheiser and Sony wired earbuds over the years, all of them proved to be as flimsy as a cheap binbag and I agree the cheaper (up to 100 quid) Sonys were the worst.

On the other hand, brilliant Sennheiser HD480 on ear headphones served me well at home for many many years, plus my current Sony 1000MX3 noise cancellers seem to be so far so good, if a little uncomfortable on longer flights.
 

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You can buy a 1TB iPhone now. Memory cards are a faff which most people don't want, and Android makes a hash of supporting them anyway (e.g. not all apps will install to one). I'd rather have a big internal memory than an SD card of any kind.

That Apple storage tax is waaayyy too much for my liking. Android + SD card all the way, it's never been a problem.

Personally, I've found Apple Air Pods and Apple wired earphones to be the worst I've used, the sound quality is acceptable but they don't stay in my ears for more than a few seconds without needing readjusting.

Purely from an aesthetic perspective Air Pods have always looked a bit daft to me. Like someone's taken a pair of scissors to a wired set. That's not to say other early attempts at wireless buds don't either...some stick out of the ears so much they make you feel a bit like Lt Uhura.
 

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I'm currently using Sony MDR-ZX310s (argos link).

They seem pretty durable - they've lasted a lot longer than most other 'cheap' headphones I've had over the last 20 years or so - and also seem fairly decent in terms of sound quality. Though as a disclaimer I'm not much of an audiophile - hence why I'm satisfied with cheap ones - and so couldn't tell you if they are 'objectively' good.
 

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The Fairphone is a great idea, but it isn't a premium phone, the spec is quite poor.

In what way is a 5G phone with an 8-core processor, 6.3" 409ppi display, 8GB RAM, 256GB flash, two 48Mpixel rear cameras (one with optical stabilisation) with 4k video capability, a 25Mpixel front camera, 20W charging, dual-band WiFi and five year warranty with a proven track record on previous models, built "ethically" using Fairtrade and recycled materials and with a pathway to refurbishment or recycling a "poor" specification? Granted it's not "premium", but only because the processor could be a little bit faster, the display could run at 120Hz (why???) and it could support wireless charging. It does have one "premium" (anti) feature though; it lacks a 3.5mm headphone jack!
 

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In what way is a 5G phone with an 8-core processor, 6.3" 409ppi display, 8GB RAM, 256GB flash, two 48Mpixel rear cameras (one with optical stabilisation) with 4k video capability, a 25Mpixel front camera, 20W charging, dual-band WiFi and five year warranty with a proven track record on previous models, built "ethically" using Fairtrade and recycled materials and with a pathway to refurbishment or recycling a "poor" specification? Granted it's not "premium", but only because the processor could be a little bit faster, the display could run at 120Hz (why???) and it could support wireless charging. It does have one "premium" (anti) feature though; it lacks a 3.5mm headphone jack!
8-core is pretty much standard these days, an £80 Moto E13 has that many. The rest of the spec is what you’d find in a £300 phone, rather than the £500 Fairphone want.
I’ve seen enough horror stories from people with their previous models that I wouldn’t want to rely on their track record.
Other manufacturers also make phones from recycled materials, such as my Nokia G60. They also have schemes for their old phones to be reused or recycled at the end of their life.
 

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I'm currently using Sony MDR-ZX310s (argos link).

They seem pretty durable - they've lasted a lot longer than most other 'cheap' headphones I've had over the last 20 years or so - and also seem fairly decent in terms of sound quality. Though as a disclaimer I'm not much of an audiophile - hence why I'm satisfied with cheap ones - and so couldn't tell you if they are 'objectively' good.
I have a pair of those (or the same model from about 7 years ago with a different model number). They are fine, if a little bass heavy but I only use them on the office PC. For serious listening, I use Sony MDR-7506's, from Sony's professional range. The model was released in 1991 as the professional version of the audiofile MDR-V6 which was released in 1985. The flat response lacks the artificial bass lift of more recent hi-fi cans, but the low frequency resppons is still there and can be lifted if preferred by the amplifier that they are fed.
Their flat response is valued by sound recording engineers as imperfections in soundsetups can easily be detected making them a standard for the TV and much of the film industry. However, as they aren't gimmicky or flashy, and not marketed as fashion items, they are still relatively cheap and repairable, - I've had them 15 years, replaced the cable, and the ear pads. Thomann's sell them here.
 

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The Fairphone is a great idea, but it isn't a premium phone, the spec is quite poor. If you will happily use a 9 year old phone, you are in a totally different segment of the market to me. (Which is fine, like with cars there are a number of market segments with different products at different price points). I have, in times when I was in a financially tighter position, had a Moto G something or other, and it was OK enough, but it was sluggish particularly after an OS upgrade, so I concluded that market segment wasn't really for me. Because IT is my thing I use user interfaces very fast, and get frustrated if there's even the slightest lag.

I'm sorry, but this says more about you than the product's quality.

I suppose you'd say my "cheaper option" OPPO A94 is poor as well? :)

In what way is a 5G phone with an 8-core processor, 6.3" 409ppi display, 8GB RAM, 256GB flash, two 48Mpixel rear cameras (one with optical stabilisation) with 4k video capability, a 25Mpixel front camera, 20W charging, dual-band WiFi and five year warranty with a proven track record on previous models, built "ethically" using Fairtrade and recycled materials and with a pathway to refurbishment or recycling a "poor" specification? Granted it's not "premium", but only because the processor could be a little bit faster, the display could run at 120Hz (why???) and it could support wireless charging. It does have one "premium" (anti) feature though; it lacks a 3.5mm headphone jack!

I agree. It just isn't "poor".

I wouldn't spend that much on a phone though.
 

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Well, I've only just bought myself a pair of Sony headphones. Wish me luck!
 

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If you're looking for a good budget alternative to Sony wired earphones I can recommend Betron, particularly their B750 model. Just over a tenner on Amazon and they come with a selection of earpads of differing sizes so you're sure to find one to fit your ear.

Paired with a SanDisk Sansa Clip mp3 player they've sustained me through a regular commute on the Hallam line for quite a while now.
 

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For serious listening, I use Sony MDR-7506's, from Sony's professional range. The model was released in 1991 as the professional version of the audiofile MDR-V6 which was released in 1985. The flat response lacks the artificial bass lift of more recent hi-fi cans, but the low frequency resppons is still there and can be lifted if preferred by the amplifier that they are fed.
Good tip - thanks
 

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If you're looking for a good budget alternative to Sony wired earphones I can recommend Betron, particularly their B750 model. Just over a tenner on Amazon and they come with a selection of earpads of differing sizes so you're sure to find one to fit your ear.
I've been curious about this brand; good to hear a positive real world experience.
 

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As well as Sony, I can now add the JVC HA-A5T to the 'avoid at all costs list'. Barely a month of use and already the right earbud has packed in. It will not power on or connect at all despite the fact I've spent hours trying every troubleshooting recommendation I can find. They proved a pain in the backside in general, often only connecting one ear when removed from the case. You can look after these all you want but it won't help: countless people online have reported the same issue. Don't ever waste your money on this absolute rubbish.
 

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I found out, unintentionally, that SoundMagic E11 ear buds are machine washable.
 

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I bought the Sony WF-C700N last week.
They're the first noise-cancelling earbuds I've ever owned. They've worked impressively well.

Both headphones and earbuds aren't something you can try before you buy.
Hygiene concerns prevent us from doing so.
As such, you either buy a pair based on reviews, prior experience or get more than one pair.
 
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