Southern at Guildford - No longer operating?

[Surreytraveller]

They do, the trains just happen to be red instead of green with Gatwick Express written on the side. All part of GTR though.

Agree they should stop at Clapham Junction

They actually go to Eastbourne. Due to the rebuilding at Gatwick Airport, they stopped the splitting and attaching at Haywards Heath of Littlehampton/ Eastbourne trains, and they all just go to Littlehampton.
The Brighton trains then became Eastbourne trains

 

[WizCastro197]

I deleted this as it is off topic.

 

[infobleep]

On Platform 9? It Looks very familiar

Yes. Probably still there.

The 18.15 Waterloo to Portsmouth via the new line becomes an 18.15 Waterloo to Fareham via Woking from the December 2022 change anyway.

Will it still go via Guildford?

They actually go to Eastbourne. Due to the rebuilding at Gatwick Airport, they stopped the splitting and attaching at Haywards Heath of Littlehampton/ Eastbourne trains, and they all just go to Littlehampton.
The Brighton trains then became Eastbourne trains

There are still one or two and split each day.

 

[swt_passenger]

Will it still go via Guildford?

Yes. Terminates at Fareham via Havant as can be seen on realtimetrains.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Yes. Terminates at Fareham via Havant as can be seen on realtimetrains.

And it also regains a Clapham Jn call as per the pre 2004 timetable change

 

[infobleep]

And it also regains a Clapham Jn call as per the pre 2004 timetable change

That is really good news. Can never have enough trains stopping their. I would say that though.

 

[nw1]

Back in the 80s of course there were no trains from Guildford platform 1 to anywhere other than the Cobham route. But "Takt" style good connections, half-hourly, at Effingham Junction applied for passengers who wished to travel that way. Every Cobham line service was announced at Guildford as "change at Effingham Junction for Epsom".

In 1982/3 for example (the timetable is available on Timetable World, and I have a CWN for this year), the Effingham Junction terminator alternated between Waterloo (SWD service) and Victoria (Central Division service), so places like Sutton would have had an hourly service to Guildford by good connection.

Looks like Effingham had very extensive sidings in those days too (CWN mentions Roads No.2 to No.7; but no No.1?). Not sure if these still exist, I've only traversed the Cobham line in daylight once, and that was in 1988.

That is really good news. Can never have enough trains stopping their. I would say that though.

Presumably allowed by the non-existence of the 1818, so there's a spare path behind it.

More generally, why have the regular off-peak fast ('81') services on the Portsmouth Direct never called at Clapham, from what I gather? Right back to 1985 when Clapham calls started appearing on mainline SWD services.

 

[JonathanH]

Looks like Effingham had very extensive sidings in those days too (CWN mentions Roads No.2 to No.7; but no No.1?). Not sure if these still exist, I've only traversed the Cobham line in daylight once, and that was in 1988.

The sidings at Effingham Junction (a fairly substantial shed) are now used by Network Rail for MPVs rather than SWR for suburban rolling stock.

Effingham Junction · Effingham Junction, East Horsley, Leatherhead KT24 5HX

★★★★☆ · Public Transport Stop

goo.gl

 

[infobleep]

Back in the 80s of course there were no trains from Guildford platform 1 to anywhere other than the Cobham route. But "Takt" style good connections, half-hourly, at Effingham Junction applied for passengers who wished to travel that way. Every Cobham line service was announced at Guildford as "change at Effingham Junction for Epsom".

In 1982/3 for example (the timetable is available on Timetable World, and I have a CWN for this year), the Effingham Junction terminator alternated between Waterloo (SWD service) and Victoria (Central Division service), so places like Sutton would have had an hourly service to Guildford by good connection.

Looks like Effingham had very extensive sidings in those days too (CWN mentions Roads No.2 to No.7; but no No.1?). Not sure if these still exist, I've only traversed the Cobham line in daylight once, and that was in 1988.



Presumably allowed by the non-existence of the 1818, so there's a spare path behind it.

More generally, why have the regular off-peak fast ('81') services on the Portsmouth Direct never called at Clapham, from what I gather? Right back to 1985 when Clapham calls started appearing on mainline SWD services.

Indeed but that spare path has existed for since the 18:18 was pulled. I guess the issue was the train going via Cobham.

 

[nw1]

The sidings at Effingham Junction (a fairly substantial shed) are now used by Network Rail for MPVs rather than SWR for suburban rolling stock.

Effingham Junction · Effingham Junction, East Horsley, Leatherhead KT24 5HX

★★★★☆ · Public Transport Stop

goo.gl

OK, interesting, thanks.

I guess it's been many years since trains terminated there regularly, so there isn't the need for the sidings to store passenger stock anymore. By contrast in the early 80s 2tph terminated there, and more than that in the peak hours.

Going back further than that, in 1967 certain morning Guildford via Cobham services divided there and left 4 cars in the sidings between the peaks, to be picked up again by services to Waterloo in the late afternoon.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

OK, interesting, thanks.

I guess it's been many years since trains terminated there regularly, so there isn't the need for the sidings to store passenger stock anymore. By contrast in the early 80s 2tph terminated there, and more than that in the peak hours.

Going back further than that, in 1967 certain morning Guildford via Cobham services divided there and left 4 cars in the sidings between the peaks, to be picked up again by services to Waterloo in the late afternoon.

It was a Network SouthEast economy drive closing Effingham shed and traincrew depot.