Southern Class 455 Withdrawal

[Thebaz]

I looked for the farewell tour train on RTT so I could see what time it roughly passes my neighbourhood but it doesn't appear to be up there. Am I being thick?

 

[Class455]

I looked for the farewell tour train on RTT so I could see what time it roughly passes my neighbourhood but it doesn't appear to be up there. Am I being thick?

No you’re not being thick. It hasn’t been uploaded onto NR systems yet and I don’t think they will until the day of the tour.

 

[Jturner98]

I’m a regular user of the London Bridge to East Croydon service ( I get on a New Cross Gate) does anyone know what service this is will be on Monday? I know it will be a 377 but unsure whether it will be a 4,5 or 8 carriage train

 

[Class455]

Anyone who was hoping to catch a 455 to Tattenham Corner but missed out, you’re in luck tonight. According to a reliable source, 5832 and 5818 are set to work an an additional return service from London Victoria to Tattenham Corner. Reason is currently unknown.
2P55 20:03 London Victoria to Tattenham Corner (all stations up to Coulsdon Town)
2P56 21:45 Tattenham Corner to London Victoria (stopping pattern currently unknown)

 

[OliverH68]

No you’re not being thick. It hasn’t been uploaded onto NR systems yet and I don’t think they will until the day of the tour.

Should be up tonight - a lot of stuff from a T-1 bid to NR usually is upstream by Thurs/Fri night after 9pm.

Reason is currently unknown.
2P55 20:03 London Victoria to Tattenham Corner (all stations up to Coulsdon Town)
2P56 21:45 Tattenham Corner to London Victoria (stopping pattern currently unknown)

Probably because 455s haven't had any booked work to Tattenham in years, so gives them 1 last chance to venture down that way!

 

[LA50041]

I’m a regular user of the London Bridge to East Croydon service ( I get on a New Cross Gate) does anyone know what service this is will be on Monday? I know it will be a 377 but unsure whether it will be a 4,5 or 8 carriage train

Predominantly 5 cars on the NXG-ECR. If you have a particular time in mind I can look it up for you

 

[OliverH68]

Paths for tonight:
2Z55 - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:38268/2022-05-12/detailed
2Z56 - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:38266/2022-05-12/detailed

 

[Jturner98]

Predominantly 5 cars on the NXG-ECR. If you have a particular time in mind I can look it up for you

Thanks the two services I would use are either the 14:48 or 15:18 from NXG

 

[LA50041]

Thanks the two services I would use are either the 14:48 or 15:18 from NXG

both 5 cars from Monday

 

[XCTurbostar]

For those interested in times for the 455/8 railtour on Sat see here - https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/bls-the-metro-marauder-sat-14-may-22.229512/post-5656034
I will also post all diagrams and units on the day.

 

[OliverH68]

Just spotted a new 1Z55 from London Bridge in place of 5H55 to Victoria, to form 2Z55

Realtime Trains | 1Z55 1901 London Bridge to London Victoria | 12/05/2022

Real-time train running information for 1Z55 1901 departure from London Bridge to London Victoria on 12/05/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[gazr]

Anyone else think that the yellow grabrail that's above the area where the doors are located, could be flipped right way up and made into a coffee table with some glass/Perspex?

 

[YSTrains]

On the UK rail log, 455820 is reported to be at wolverton works for maintenance. What will happen to it now?

 

[ScotRail158725]

Anyone else think that the yellow grabrail that's above the area where the doors are located, could be flipped right way up and made into a coffee table with some glass/Perspex?

Definitely, might be a but big for a coffee table though

 

[Thebaz]

Although I'm not really into rolling stock I will miss the 455s when they're gone. It does feel in some way like the last vestiges of my childhood being swept away. I have many memories from the 80s - the huge wraparound yellow ends they initially came with, the hope one would turn up instead of an EPB whenever I had to catch a train.... Also remember when the NSE liveries started being introduced then the introduction of the svelte blue seat covers. I remember having an argument with my dad at Sutton after a bit of spotting as we attempted to return home - a 455 in fresh NSE arrived but I refused to get on it (citing it was "too dirty" LOL I must have been 7 or 8) because I wanted to wait for 5850 (which had the blue seats), to return from Epsom even though I knew it was almost certainly diagrammed for the other route to London. The halcyon days ahhhh.

 

[Peregrine 4903]

I looked for the farewell tour train on RTT so I could see what time it roughly passes my neighbourhood but it doesn't appear to be up there. Am I being thick?

It was uploaded today, so you should be able to see it tommorow.

 

[skyhigh]

On the UK rail log, 455820 is reported to be at wolverton works for maintenance. What will happen to it now?

455820 is currently out on 2B22, it doesn't appear to be at Wolverton.

 

[phantomphish]

Probably because 455s haven't had any booked work to Tattenham in years, so gives them 1 last chance to venture down that way!

'Due to driver shortage' A couple of uncovered turns and a lack of space in Stewart's Lane (any excuse, basically!)

From a very reliable internal source who shall not be named for the Thursday 12th evening special workings:

2H54 18.15 Beckenham Jnc to London Bridge 8 455

On arrival to form

1Z55 19.01 London Bridge to Victoria additional (vice 5H55)

5H55 19+01 London Bridge to Stewarts Lane cancelled, train run instead as:-

1Z55 19.01 London Bridge to Victoria 8 455 additional, calling at Streatham Hill and Victoria only

In order to prevent 8 455 being dumped at Victoria from 20.00 (this has nothing to do with the fact 455s haven’t been to Tattenham for nearly three years and this’ll be the last opportunity), the following additional trains will run:-

2Z55 20.03 Victoria to Tattenham Corner all stations via Norbury 8 455 additional (5832 / 5818)

2Z56 21.30 Tattenham Corner to Victoria all stations via Norbury 8 455 additional (5818 / 5832)

If there are any similar odd working tomorrow I may well be on board, although I do have 9 hours riding 455's booked for Saturday. And somewhat ironically, my trains to and from VIC before and after the railtour are ... yes ... 4-car 455s

Farewell the workhorses, and Croeso i Cymru

 

[Mikey C]

They absolutely can if that is what they have agreed with the DfT. Someone did point out that one philosophy is to try and push the Southern loadings onto Thameslink because of the fixed formation trains which can carry many people.

It's going to be really odd to have some services formed with 12 car 700s, with loads of standing space to hoover up people, with other having far more comfortable, but short formed 377s, with far less standing space. A bit back to front really, as the short trains are the ones which will need more standing space, especially on Metro routes in south London.

 

[physics34]

It's going to be really odd to have some services formed with 12 car 700s, with loads of standing space to hoover up people, with other having far more comfortable, but short formed 377s, with far less standing space. A bit back to front really, as the short trains are the ones which will need more standing space, especially on Metro routes in south London.

I think they need to consider reconfiguring metro 377s

 

[brad465]

It's going to be really odd to have some services formed with 12 car 700s, with loads of standing space to hoover up people, with other having far more comfortable, but short formed 377s, with far less standing space. A bit back to front really, as the short trains are the ones which will need more standing space, especially on Metro routes in south London.

I suppose that's one advantage of long fixed formations, when making service length cutbacks any services with such stock operating is almost immune (probably not immune to frequency cutbacks though).

 

[Mikey C]

I think they need to consider reconfiguring metro 377s

Or swap with Southeastern? Or even take some 701s from SWR?

The use of 377s on Southern metro routes feels odd, when you consider the metro stock being used elsewhere or that will be in service soon, such as the 376s, 378s, 700s, 701s, 707s, 710s, 345s. All designed for quick boarding, and with lots of standing space

 

[warwickshire]

On the UK rail log, 455820 is reported to be at wolverton works for maintenance. What will happen to it now?

That is a error. 455820 has been out all week in the main coupled up with 455802. Have a few good photos of that one.

 

[phantomphish]

For any night owls around London, there is a planned 12 car 455 ECS move from VIC to Stewart's Lane on Saturday night / Sunday morning - 5B52 booked to leave at 01:54 (but it is ECS so could possibly run earlier). Formed of three different ECS inwards after the 455 passenger workings finish forever

 

[physics34]

For any night owls around London, there is a planned 12 car 455 ECS move from VIC to Stewart's Lane on Saturday night / Sunday morning - 5B52 booked to leave at 01:54 (but it is ECS so could possibly run earlier). Formed of three different ECS inwards after the 455 passenger workings finish forever

Thay must be the 00.25 from vic, 00.25 from LBG and 00.40 from vic coupled up‍

 

[Southern Dvr]

Thay must be the 00.25 from vic, 00.25 from LBG and 00.40 from vic coupled up‍

Working from Vic to Stew Lane. Not selhurst!

 

[Class 466]

The paths are now in for 377163 & 164 to return to Southern tomorrow. Whilst not strictly related to 455s retiring (more to do with the next withdrawal).

5P46 11+40 Ramsgate EMUD to Victoria

Realtime Trains | 5P46 1140 Ramsgate E.M.U.D. to London Victoria | 14/05/2022

Real-time train running information for 5P46 1140 departure from Ramsgate E.M.U.D. to London Victoria on 14/05/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Y47 14+13 Victoria to Selhurst T&RSMD

Realtime Trains | 5Y47 1413 London Victoria to Selhurst T&R.S.M.D | 14/05/2022

Real-time train running information for 5Y47 1413 departure from London Victoria to Selhurst T&R.S.M.D on 14/05/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Class455]

Interestingly 455801 is unallocated today. I suspect this will be one of the units used on tomorrow’s tour?

 

[Intro298]

Those two cars also have a more original interior with original bulkheads, which none of the 455s

The paths are now in for 377163 & 164 to return to Southern tomorrow. Whilst not strictly related to 455s retiring (more to do with the next withdrawal).

5P46 11+40 Ramsgate EMUD to Victoria

Realtime Trains | 5P46 1140 Ramsgate E.M.U.D. to London Victoria | 14/05/2022

Real-time train running information for 5P46 1140 departure from Ramsgate E.M.U.D. to London Victoria on 14/05/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Y47 14+13 Victoria to Selhurst T&RSMD

Realtime Trains | 5Y47 1413 London Victoria to Selhurst T&R.S.M.D | 14/05/2022

Real-time train running information for 5Y47 1413 departure from London Victoria to Selhurst T&R.S.M.D on 14/05/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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What is the next withdrawal?

 

[JonathanH]

Interestingly 455801 is unallocated today. I suspect this will be one of the units used on tomorrow’s tour?

It has already been suggested that other units are allocated - https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/bls-the-metro-marauder-sat-14-may-22.229512/#post-5653593

What is the next withdrawal?

Given there is only today and tomorrow for the Southern 455s and most of the services tomorrow are diagrammed for 4-car operation, around half the remaining units will be withdrawn tonight and the rest tomorrow.