Southern Day Save ticket

[tel]

Hi, I'm thinking of getting one of the above tickets to get some haulages on the 313s before they go, however the ticket is only valid on Southern trains so how would i get to Brighton from London? London Bridge is Thameslink to Brighton and Victoria is Gatwick Express.

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Thanks

Terry

 

[Bertie the bus]

Get an Eastbourne train to Lewes and a connecting train to Brighton?

 

[prod_pep]

I'd opt for a Victoria - Littlehampton train to Hove and change there for a Brighton-bound train.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Or, alternatively, along the West Coastway from Brighton towards Ford/Barnham and change for an Arun Valley service (via Horsham) from there.

P.S. To get to London Bridge will probably require a further change at East Croydon.

P.P.S. Do "Gatwick Express" services operate as such on the section between Brighton and Gatwick Airport?

 

[Craig1122]

When they first started extending GatEx to Brighton the working was classified as Southern between Gatwick and Brighton. Might be worth contacting their customer services to check if this is still the case. If so then you could just change off of a coastway service at Gatwick. Ridiculous state of affairs though, they really need to just bin Gatwick Express as a separate brand.

 

[Tomp94]

The "gatwick express" I got on at Preston park on Wednesday evening, seemed like it was a southern service on Gatwick express stock.... "welcome aboard this service" was on the automated announcements. *

It was a very busy train, I imagine the majority onboard would have had tickets voiding use on actual gat ex services, myself included. But I got on anyway as southern have binned the Hove to brighton shuttles.

*The PIS at preston park made it clear the service was Gat Ex. though. ‍♀️

 

[paul1609]

Hi, I'm thinking of getting one of the above tickets to get some haulages on the 313s before they go, however the ticket is only valid on Southern trains so how would i get to Brighton from London? London Bridge is Thameslink to Brighton and Victoria is Gatwick Express.

GB RAIL ROVER GUIDE - Southern DaySave

How to find rail rover and ranger tickets on the national rail network. Rover and ranger tickets are cheap tickets for rail travel

www.railrover.org

Thanks

Terry

If you want 313 haulage you're better off heading to the West Coastway anyway. The only 313 services left at Brighton are some Portsmouth and some Seaford services.

 

[tel]

If you want 313 haulage you're better off heading to the West Coastway anyway. The only 313 services left at Brighton are some Portsmouth and some Seaford services.

Ah ok so are there not many 313s operating now have some have been stored already? Want to be sure it's worth going really.

Have just emailed Southern and await there response. It does seem daft there are no southern trains to Brighton from London anymore.

 

[Surreytraveller]

Get a Portsmouth or Southampton train to Barnham. Plenty of 313s from there, then head towards Brighton to do the Seaford branch

 

[paul1609]

Ah ok so are there not many 313s operating now have some have been stored already? Want to be sure it's worth going really.

Have just emailed Southern and await there response. It does seem daft there are no southern trains to Brighton from London anymore.

The Brighton to Hove shuttles, the Brighton to West Worthing service and the Brighton to Lewes shuttles have all fallen victim to the timetable cutbacks. These were all primarily 313 diagrams.
On the West Coastway Littlehampton/Bognor Regis to Portsmouth and some Brighton to Portsmouth services are normally 313s.

 

[NSE]

Ah ok so are there not many 313s operating now have some have been stored already? Want to be sure it's worth going really.

Have just emailed Southern and await there response. It does seem daft there are no southern trains to Brighton from London anymore.

I’d say it’s more daft the whole ‘many faces of the same TOC’. Brighton to London is exclusively Govia regardless of what service you take. Just seems to make it complicated for the sake of it. As an enthusiast I understand it all, but not surprised it catches the average Joe out.

 

[Surreytraveller]

I’d say it’s more daft the whole ‘many faces of the same TOC’. Brighton to London is exclusively Govia regardless of what service you take. Just seems to make it complicated for the sake of it. As an enthusiast I understand it all, but not surprised it catches the average Joe out.

I think the brands were kept separate as was intended to split them all up once the Thameslink project had been finished. But the project still isn't finished!

 

[prod_pep]

Still 12 Class 313 diagrams on weekdays (3 Brighton-Portsmouth, 3 Brighton-Seaford, 4 Littlehampton-Portsmouth-Bognor and 2 peak diagrams covering remaining Brighton-West Worthing-Littlehampton workings); 8 diagrams on Saturdays (3 SEF, 1 Hove shuttle, 4 LIT/PMS/BOG) and 4 on Sundays (3 SEF, 1 LIT-BOG).

I've asked staff at Victoria before if I could use a Daysave on the Gatwick Express to Brighton, pointing out that Southern no longer serve it directly from London. The answer was a resounding no and I was directed to the Littlehampton train instead.

 

[tel]

Still 12 Class 313 diagrams on weekdays (3 Brighton-Portsmouth, 3 Brighton-Seaford, 4 Littlehampton-Portsmouth-Bognor and 2 peak diagrams covering remaining Brighton-West Worthing-Littlehampton workings); 8 diagrams on Saturdays (3 SEF, 1 Hove shuttle, 4 LIT/PMS/BOG) and 4 on Sundays (3 SEF, 1 LIT-BOG).

I've asked staff at Victoria before if I could use a Daysave on the Gatwick Express to Brighton, pointing out that Southern no longer serve it directly from London. The answer was a resounding no and I was directed to the Littlehampton train instead.

Thanks, seems to make sense I'll go for the Littlehampton train then. Still a fair amount of 313s about, that's good. Anyone know how long they've got?

 

[Mcr Warrior]

I've asked staff at Victoria before if I could use a Daysave on the Gatwick Express to Brighton, pointing out that Southern no longer serve it directly from London. The answer was a resounding no and I was directed to the Littlehampton train instead.

Actually, there are a small number of Southern services operating direct from London Victoria to Brighton, however, they tend to be either start of service or late evening, or all day Sundays, so possibly not necessarily always of all that much use.

 

[BRblue33]

You can get the Eastbourne/Hastings from Vic they run every 30 min's . Then change at Lewes for the class 313's to Seaford or Brighton.

 

[jayah]

I've asked staff at Victoria before if I could use a Daysave on the Gatwick Express to Brighton, pointing out that Southern no longer serve it directly from London. The answer was a resounding no and I was directed to the Littlehampton train instead.

Would going via Lewes not have worked out better?

If collecting from a Southern station, Day Save must be ordered 3 days ahead, otherwise posted to you 5 days ahead?

A rather strange proposition to say the least.

 

[mmh]

I would just get the direct Victoria to Brighton train if that was most convenient for me. I wouldn't ask anyone before boarding, and leave it to anyone onboard who questioned my ticket.

Staff at stations won't know, the daysave is pretty obscure. I've used them in the past, valid across the Southern network. If someone says no, show them the Southern network map on their website. There is no gap between Victoria and Brighton, of course there isn't.

I wouldn't expect any trouble at all.

 

[yorkie]

GTR are not permitted to set brand restrictions on tickets; they are in deep legal trouble over this.

I would just get the direct Victoria to Brighton train if that was most convenient for me. I wouldn't ask anyone before boarding, and leave it to anyone onboard who questioned my ticket....

Agreed, though if departing from Victoria platforms 13/14, staff may not permit entry to the gateline without paying an excess/supplement. In the other direction, they have to let you pass, though they may attempt to charge money unlawfully.

If anyone is unlawfully charged a penalty/excess/supplement fare for travel on the wrong "brand", they should write a demand for the monies to be repaid immediately.

Anyone in this position who contacts me who is able to provide evidence of all the relevant tickets/coupons and who is prepared to make all reasonable attempts to obtain a refund, should contact me and I will ensure they are not left out of pocket.

 

[londonteacher]

If collecting from a Southern station, Day Save must be ordered 3 days ahead, otherwise posted to you 5 days ahead?

Ticket can be collected from any station. I have collected from Plumstead on many occasions. But yes order three days ahead.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

GTR are not permitted to set brand restrictions on tickets; they are in deep legal trouble over this.

Would you further assert that the "Southern Daysave" can be used on the direct Thameslink and Great Northern services from Brighton to/from London Bridge?

The "Southern Daysave" product's terms and conditions, rightly or wrongly, would appear to indicate not.

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Your DaySave ticket is valid for one day and can be used for Standard Class travel only. These tickets are not valid on Gatwick Express, Thameslink, Great Northern or services from any other train operator.

 

[yorkie]

Would you further assert that the "Southern Daysave" can be used on the direct Thameslink and Great Northern services from Brighton to London Bridge?

The "Southern Daysave" product's terms and conditions, rightly or wrongly, would appear to indicate not.

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Extract...

The ticket can have geographical limits but not brand specific restrictions; it is unlawful for them to restrict by brand.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

The ticket can have geographical limits but not brand specific restrictions; it is unlawful for them to restrict by brand.

Interesting. What's the relevant case law or legal precedent for this?

 

[yorkie]

Interesting. What's the relevant case law or legal precedent for this?

It's been discussed extensively in many threads.

Check this out:

Collective competition claim against Govia Thameslink Railway

This press release hit the newswires yesterday: COLLECTIVE COMPETITION CLAIM AGAINST GOVIA THAMESLINK RAILWAY FOR OVERCHARGING RAIL PASSENGERS ON BRIGHTON MAINLINE SINCE OCTOBER 2015 London 6 July 2021 – An application to commence an opt-out collective action (“Claim”) was launched in the...

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Roger French got a refund for an unlawfully issued Penalty Fare, check out his blog:

I got my £20 penalty fare back from GTR

Tuesday 12th May 2020 Back in the carefree pre Covid-19 days of travelling around the country for pleasure, on Wednesday 5th March, I found myself on a train from my local station, Hassocks in Suss…

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Under the National Rail Conditions of Travel (NRCoT), it is argued, tickets can only be restricted to travel on a Train Operating Company, rather than individual brands. And, as we know Thameslink and Southern (and Great Northern and Gatwick Express) are merely brands which all sit within the GTR Train Operating Company....

Of all the people who I am aware of who have been incorrectly charged an excess/penalty/supplementary fare, 100% have got their money back. I will ensure anyone who is so charged is not left out of pocket.

 

[londonteacher]

It's been discussed extensively in many threads.

Check this out:

Collective competition claim against Govia Thameslink Railway

This press release hit the newswires yesterday: COLLECTIVE COMPETITION CLAIM AGAINST GOVIA THAMESLINK RAILWAY FOR OVERCHARGING RAIL PASSENGERS ON BRIGHTON MAINLINE SINCE OCTOBER 2015 London 6 July 2021 – An application to commence an opt-out collective action (“Claim”) was launched in the...

www.railforums.co.uk

Roger French got a refund for an unlawfully issued Penalty Fare, check out his blog:

I got my £20 penalty fare back from GTR

Tuesday 12th May 2020 Back in the carefree pre Covid-19 days of travelling around the country for pleasure, on Wednesday 5th March, I found myself on a train from my local station, Hassocks in Suss…

busandtrainuser.com

Of all the people who I am aware of who have been incorrectly charged an excess/penalty/supplementary fare, 100% have got their money back. I will ensure anyone who is so charged is not left out of pocket.

With this ticket would it not be different? For example, if you are saying that it can be used on Thameslink services then would it be valid to Bedford or Rainham.

I would argue that as the ticket is advertised as a Southern daysave then it is quite clear that it is only valid on Southern services.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Roger French got a refund for an unlawfully issued Penalty Fare, check out his blog:

I got my £20 penalty fare back from GTR

Tuesday 12th May 2020 Back in the carefree pre Covid-19 days of travelling around the country for pleasure, on Wednesday 5th March, I found myself on a train from my local station, Hassocks in Suss…

busandtrainuser.com

Noted that Roger (French) acknowledges that there hadn't yet (in 2020?) been any test case. Can quite understand why Govia Thameslink might like to keep things as they are in the meantime.

But certainly a right old faff if one were to get penalty fared, to then have to subsequently appeal it, even if one is quite possibly likely to win such an appeal.

 

[yorkie]

Noted that Roger (French) acknowledges that there hadn't yet (in 2020?) been any test case.

GTR consistently refund rather than allowing any case to go to court, yes.

Can quite understand why Govia Thameslink might like to keep things as they are in the meantime.

I think their legal team will be rather worried about recent developments, don't you?

But certainly a right old faff if one were to get penalty fared, to then have to subsequently appeal it, even if one is quite possibly likely to win such an appeal.

Yes it is a bit of a faff, but it is unlikely that a customer would be penalty fared, and if they were, then subject to what I stated above and they make contact with me and appeal the charges, the passenger will not be out of pocket.

 

[Surreytraveller]

GTR consistently refund rather than allowing any case to go to court, yes.

I think their legal team will be rather worried about recent developments, don't you?

Yes it is a bit of a faff, but it is unlikely that a customer would be penalty fared, and if they were, then subject to what I stated above and they make contact with me and appeal the charges, the passenger will not be out of pocket.

If someone refused to pay a Penalty Fare, would GTR quietly let it drop I wonder?