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Stations managed by an "odd" TOC

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I can't remember the exact reason these stations' services were switched over to TPE but the plan is for them to go back to Northern later on in the Transpennine Route Upgrade process so it is technically only temporary even though it has been like it is for several years already.

Stopping services between Huddersfield and Leeds moved to TPE as well around the same time (I think), but have now partially moved back to Northern.

That whole situation was a mess - it was fairly logical when Northern provided the slower, all-stops services, and TPE the faster ones which only stopped at Dewsbury (some services) and Huddersfield. Not clear why they messed around with it.
 
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That whole situation was a mess - it was fairly logical when Northern provided the slower, all-stops services, and TPE the faster ones which only stopped at Dewsbury (some services) and Huddersfield. Not clear why they messed around with it.
The plan is for it to go back to northern in the December 2028 timetable change.
 

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A similar odd one is Bat and Ball. It’s managed by Southeastern but I believe all its services are Thameslink operated.
I think, like Higham, there’s one or two weekday peaks. It might literally be just one peak hour SE from Bat and Ball to Blackfriars or something. Might be wrong, but there certainly was at one point.

Also, I feel like Havant should be a Southern station. They operate significantly more services than SWR, however, I understand why it’s SWR.
 

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Lydney, Wrenbury, Wem and Nantwich are other English stations managed by Transport for Wales.
Although given they are only served by TfW services, that is understandable. Avanti is the only other TOC with a station manager nearby (and it'd be unusual for an InterCity TOC to manage an off-network station), and I imagine that the Northern and EMR station managers would be quite distant from Crewe let alone those TfW stations.
 

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I think I might be the first one to dive in here with Burton-on-Trent. Managed by EMR but not a single EMR service.

Don't know the history of that one mind you - possibly just a fall out of the CT carve up into XC?
 

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Eynsford and Shoreham (Kent) are also managed by Southeastern with most or all services provided by Thameslink
 

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The TPE York - Manchester route calls at a LNER owned station, several Northern owned stations, a couple of TPE owned stations and a Network Rail owned station...I wonder if any other direct rail services can beat calling at 4 different station operators on route (I suspect a couple can match it)

Although then I remembered Aberdeen - Penzance :D
 
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The TPE York - Manchester route calls at a LNER owned station, several Northern owned stations, a couple of TPE owned stations and a Network Rail owned station...I wonder if any other direct rail services can beat calling at 4 different station operators on route (I suspect a couple can match it)

Although then I remembered Aberdeen - Penzance :D
XC - NE-SW - Network Rail, ScotRail*, LNER, Northern, EMR, GWR, TfW*, WMT
XC - NW-SC - Network Rail, Avanti, Chiltern, GWR, SWR
XC - Cardiff-Notts - Network Rail, TfW, WMT, EMR, GWR
XC - Birm-Stan - Network Rail, WMT, EMR, LNER, GA
EMR - Liv-Nor - Network Rail, Merseyrail, Northern, Avanti, EMR, LNER, GA
TPE South - Network Rail, Merseyrail, Northern, Avanti, EMR, LNER, TPE
 

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I think I might be the first one to dive in here with Burton-on-Trent. Managed by EMR but not a single EMR service.

Don't know the history of that one mind you - possibly just a fall out of the CT carve up into XC?
Burton-on-Trent was my thought too - was scrolling through the thread first to see if anyone else had commented and your post was indeed the first mentioning Burton-on-Trent!
 

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I think, like Higham, there’s one or two weekday peaks. It might literally be just one peak hour SE from Bat and Ball to Blackfriars or something. Might be wrong, but there certainly was at one point.

Also, I feel like Havant should be a Southern station. They operate significantly more services than SWR, however, I understand why it’s SWR.
No passenger calls for SE at Bat & Ball are showing on RTT at any time for any day of the week. One ECS working stops there!

Although given they are only served by TfW services, that is understandable. Avanti is the only other TOC with a station manager nearby (and it'd be unusual for an InterCity TOC to manage an off-network station), and I imagine that the Northern and EMR station managers would be quite distant from Crewe let alone those TfW stations.
Lydney is actually served by quite a few (13-14) Cross Country services Monday-Saturday. I've used them to get to the Dean Forest Railway! But of course XC don't count since they don't manage *any* stations, so it has to be TfW.
 

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Slightly OT, but before "The Event", I used to idly wonder why Epsom was Southern not SWR given that at the time, SWR had a 15-minute frequency into its London terminal on a much shorter journey time than SN had, and SN (at the time) only had a Victoria service which took longer, plus the occasional London Bridge peak service.

Of course, now with SWR having halved the frequency of their services, and SN upping theirs, it makes a bit more sense now...
 

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Or maybe it won't matter if GBR results in merging Southern and Southeastern into a new "Network South-East" region?
Didn't NSE have various sub-divisions itself, which later were combined in some fashion to form the TOCs? i.e the split probably dates back that far and renationalising isn't likely to make them all one cohesive unit.
 

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Lydney, Wrenbury, Wem and Nantwich are other English stations managed by Transport for Wales.
See also: Broome, Hopton Heath, Bucknell and (technically, since the station is in England even though the town itself is in Wales) Knighton
 

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Slightly OT, but before "The Event", I used to idly wonder why Epsom was Southern not SWR given that at the time, SWR had a 15-minute frequency into its London terminal on a much shorter journey time than SN had, and SN (at the time) only had a Victoria service which took longer, plus the occasional London Bridge peak service.

Of course, now with SWR having halved the frequency of their services, and SN upping theirs, it makes a bit more sense now...
A long time ago Epsom was LSWR only. The Southern Railway closed the LBSC's Epsom Town and created the joint station a long while back. The traditional to-ing and fro-ing continues.....!
 

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Slightly OT, but before "The Event", I used to idly wonder why Epsom was Southern not SWR given that at the time, SWR had a 15-minute frequency into its London terminal on a much shorter journey time than SN had, and SN (at the time) only had a Victoria service which took longer, plus the occasional London Bridge peak service.

Of course, now with SWR having halved the frequency of their services, and SN upping theirs, it makes a bit more sense now...
Pretty sure it was 4tph Southern from Epsom before Covid. 2 starting from Epsom calling all stops with 1tph from Dorking & 1tph from Horsham which were more limited stop (Cheam, Sutton, Carshalton B, Clapham?).
 

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The following stations are managed by TOCs that do not serve the station at all:

• Bat & Ball (SE)
• Burton On Trent (EMR)
• Coleshill Parkway (WMR)
• Eynsford (SE)
• Greenfield (NO)
• Hinckley (EMR)
• Lockerbie (SR)
• Marsden (NO)
• Mossley (NO)
• Narborough (EMR)
• Reston (SR)
• Shoreham (SE)
• Slaithwaite (NO)
• South Wigston (EMR)
• Water Orton (WMR)
• Willington (EMR)
• Wilnecote (WMR)

The following stations are served by a very limited amount of trains operated by the TOC that manages it:

• Balcombe (SN)
• Bearley (WMR)
• Claverdon (WMR)
• Earlswood (SN)
• Faygate (SN)
• Higham (SE)
• Horley (SN)
• Ifield (SN)
• Littlehaven (SN)
• Melton Mowbray (EMR)
• Oakham (EMR)
• Salfords (SN)
• Stamford (EMR)

The following stations are served regularly by both TOCs but the TOC that manages it runs less frequent services than the other TOC runs:

• Birmingham Moor Street (CR)
• Hastings (SE)
• Havant (SWR)
• St Leonards Warrior Square (SE)
• Streatham (SN)
• Swanwick (SWR)
• Woolston (SWR)

It does seem a bit odd that some stations are managed by TOCs that do not serve it at all or only provide a very limited service. You would think that swapping stations should be simpler as the DFT has a lot of control these days. I remember a couple of years ago in April 2020 they finally swapped Dean and Mottisfont & Dunbridge and Romsey from GWR to SWR but nothing similar has happened elsewhere on our network. Hopefully when (and if) the rollout of GBR happens it will simplify these things.
 
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The following stations are managed by TOCs that do not serve the station at all:

• Balcombe (SN)
• Bat & Ball (SE)
• Burton On Trent (EMR)
• Coleshill Parkway (WMR)
• Eynsford (SE)
• Greenfield (NO)
• Hinckley (EMR)
• Lockerbie (SR)
• Marsden (NO)
• Mossley (NO)
• Narborough (EMR)
• Reston (SR)
• Shoreham (SE)
• Slaithwaite (NO)
• South Wigston (EMR)
• Water Orton (WMR)
• Willington (EMR)
• Wilnecote (WMR)

The following stations are served by a very limited amount of trains operated by the TOC that manages it:

• Bearley (WMR)
• Bellingham (TL)
• Claverdon (WMR)
• Crofton Park (TL)
• Earlswood (SN)
• Faygate (SN)
• Higham (SE)
• Horley (SN)
• Ifield (SN)
• Littlehaven (SN)
• Melton Mowbray (EMR)
• Oakham (EMR)
• Salfords (SN)
• Stamford (EMR)

The following stations are served regularly by both TOCs but the TOC that manages it runs less frequent services than the other TOC runs:

• Birmingham Moor Street (CR)
• Hastings (SE)
• Havant (SWR)
• St Leonards Warrior Square (SE)
• Streatham (SN)
• Woolston (SWR)

It does seem a bit odd that some stations are managed by TOCs that do not serve it at all or only provide a very limited service. You would think that swapping stations should be simpler as the DFT has a lot of control these days. I remember a couple of years ago in April 2020 they finally swapped Dean and Mottisfont & Dunbridge and Romsey from GWR to SWR but nothing similar has happened elsewhere on our network. Hopefully when (and if) the rollout of GBR happens it will simplify these things.
To add to your list, I believe Kings Sutton has a few more Great Western services than Chiltern, but the station is managed by Chiltern.
 

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The following stations are managed by TOCs that do not serve the station at all:

• Balcombe (SN)
• Bat & Ball (SE)
• Burton On Trent (EMR)
• Coleshill Parkway (WMR)
• Eynsford (SE)
• Greenfield (NO)
• Hinckley (EMR)
• Lockerbie (SR)
• Marsden (NO)
• Mossley (NO)
• Narborough (EMR)
• Reston (SR)
• Shoreham (SE)
• Slaithwaite (NO)
• South Wigston (EMR)
• Water Orton (WMR)
• Willington (EMR)
• Wilnecote (WMR)

The following stations are served by a very limited amount of trains operated by the TOC that manages it:

• Bearley (WMR)
• Bellingham (TL)
• Claverdon (WMR)
• Crofton Park (TL)
• Earlswood (SN)
• Faygate (SN)
• Higham (SE)
• Horley (SN)
• Ifield (SN)
• Littlehaven (SN)
• Melton Mowbray (EMR)
• Oakham (EMR)
• Salfords (SN)
• Stamford (EMR)

The following stations are served regularly by both TOCs but the TOC that manages it runs less frequent services than the other TOC runs:

• Birmingham Moor Street (CR)
• Hastings (SE)
• Havant (SWR)
• St Leonards Warrior Square (SE)
• Streatham (SN)
• Woolston (SWR)

It does seem a bit odd that some stations are managed by TOCs that do not serve it at all or only provide a very limited service. You would think that swapping stations should be simpler as the DFT has a lot of control these days. I remember a couple of years ago in April 2020 they finally swapped Dean and Mottisfont & Dunbridge and Romsey from GWR to SWR but nothing similar has happened elsewhere on our network. Hopefully when (and if) the rollout of GBR happens it will simplify these things.
Balcombe does have some SN services. A quick check on NR shows an 0632 and an 23:32 on a Sunday direct from Victoria to Balcombe. I appreciate neither are helpful for when you wish to choose how to plan your day out from Balcombe using only SN trains, but there we go!

The XC ones make sense. They don’t have station staff so why have a team for a small selection of random stations.
 

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The following stations are managed by TOCs that do not serve the station at all:

• Balcombe (SN)
• Bat & Ball (SE)
• Burton On Trent (EMR)
• Coleshill Parkway (WMR)
• Eynsford (SE)
• Greenfield (NO)
• Hinckley (EMR)
• Lockerbie (SR)
• Marsden (NO)
• Mossley (NO)
• Narborough (EMR)
• Reston (SR)
• Shoreham (SE)
• Slaithwaite (NO)
• South Wigston (EMR)
• Water Orton (WMR)
• Willington (EMR)
• Wilnecote (WMR)

The following stations are served by a very limited amount of trains operated by the TOC that manages it:

• Bearley (WMR)
• Bellingham (TL)
• Claverdon (WMR)
• Crofton Park (TL)
• Earlswood (SN)
• Faygate (SN)
• Higham (SE)
• Horley (SN)
• Ifield (SN)
• Littlehaven (SN)
• Melton Mowbray (EMR)
• Oakham (EMR)
• Salfords (SN)
• Stamford (EMR)

The following stations are served regularly by both TOCs but the TOC that manages it runs less frequent services than the other TOC runs:

• Birmingham Moor Street (CR)
• Hastings (SE)
• Havant (SWR)
• St Leonards Warrior Square (SE)
• Streatham (SN)
• Woolston (SWR)

It does seem a bit odd that some stations are managed by TOCs that do not serve it at all or only provide a very limited service. You would think that swapping stations should be simpler as the DFT has a lot of control these days. I remember a couple of years ago in April 2020 they finally swapped Dean and Mottisfont & Dunbridge and Romsey from GWR to SWR but nothing similar has happened elsewhere on our network. Hopefully when (and if) the rollout of GBR happens it will simplify these things.
one correction to that list: Bellingham and Crofton Park shouldn’t be on there as they’re Thameslink managed and the vast majority of their services are Thameslink operated (with the exception of a few SE operated peak time trains).
 

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The following stations are served regularly by both TOCs but the TOC that manages it runs less frequent services than the other TOC runs:

• Birmingham Moor Street (CR)
• Hastings (SE)
• Havant (SWR)
• St Leonards Warrior Square (SE)
• Streatham (SN)
• Woolston (SWR)
You could add Swanwick to that list, 2tph Southern Vs 1tph SWR. Like Woolston it's managed by SWR.

As well as some of the TPE stations which have 1tph TPE but more Northern services.
 

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