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Suddenly feeling “off”/getting cold feet about taking job as a trainee driver for northern rail

mmsg1998

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Hi everyone, really I’m just looking for other peoples opinions/experiences in their job as a train driver, what you enjoy/don’t enjoy as of 2024 etc.

I went for an interview on the 8th November and they offered me the job a few hours later (obviously I have to pass the psychometric first! I have this booked in on Thursday). This job was a huge whim for me, I didn’t think I’d even get offered an interview to begin with (I’m currently a Dental Nurse - so VERY different industry). I’m obviously delighted to be getting this far, but I’m suddenly feeling quite “off” and worried I’m going to be leaving a job I don’t really mind - to then go into something I’ll possibly dislike. Anyway I know this is something I have to figure out for myself. I’ll stop blabbing. Would just appreciate some real experiences please! Thank you so much, have a lovely weekend!
 
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Hi.
Well I think on here you will get a good Amount of positives, so I’ll just go ahead and start with the negatives as these are the things people often don’t see. Most of the positives are obvious but I’ll list my views on that also.

I will be fairly blunt with these just to give you a quick idea and these only represent my views.

Negatives;

Most people fail the psychometrics so you may not be offered the job.

Really awkward hours, sometimes trying to get to sleep at 4pm on a summers day when kids are playing in gardens or people are having BBQ’s.

Work a lot of weekends.

Can be very boring.

Need to maintain high levels of concentration which can be challenging when it is pitch black on the only thing you can see out of the window is the odd light from a signal or platform now and then.

Passengers can speak to you like dirt.

May have to travel passenger on trains as part of the working day, but in rush hour when it’s packed.

Could be involved in fatality.

Can be massively delayed if there is a broken down train, fatality or trespasser.

You may not get the holidays you want.

If you make a mistake it can be heavily investigated.

Large amount of knowledge needed for routes, rules, traction which needs to be kept up to date.

Positives;

Wage.

freedom from management.

Nice view sometimes.

Days off in the week.

Decent annual leave.

Travel perks.


I may have missed things out but they come to mind.

When someone asks me this question I’m more eager to point out the negatives because I think more often than not people only think of the positives and think it’s easy.

Obviously it will be better paid than dental nursing but if you enjoy weekends off and some routine in your life then the railway may not be the best option.
 

mmsg1998

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Hi.
Well I think on here you will get a good Amount of positives, so I’ll just go ahead and start with the negatives as these are the things people often don’t see. Most of the positives are obvious but I’ll list my views on that also.

I will be fairly blunt with these just to give you a quick idea and these only represent my views.

Negatives;

Most people fail the psychometrics so you may not be offered the job.

Really awkward hours, sometimes trying to get to sleep at 4pm on a summers day when kids are playing in gardens or people are having BBQ’s.

Work a lot of weekends.

Can be very boring.

Need to maintain high levels of concentration which can be challenging when it is pitch black on the only thing you can see out of the window is the odd light from a signal or platform now and then.

Passengers can speak to you like dirt.

May have to travel passenger on trains as part of the working day, but in rush hour when it’s packed.

Could be involved in fatality.

Can be massively delayed if there is a broken down train, fatality or trespasser.

You may not get the holidays you want.

If you make a mistake it can be heavily investigated.

Large amount of knowledge needed for routes, rules, traction which needs to be kept up to date.

Positives;

Wage.

freedom from management.

Nice view sometimes.

Days off in the week.

Decent annual leave.

Travel perks.


I may have missed things out but they come to mind.

When someone asks me this question I’m more eager to point out the negatives because I think more often than not people only think of the positives and think it’s easy.

Obviously it will be better paid than dental nursing but if you enjoy weekends off and some routine in your life then the railway may not be the best option.

Hello! That’s really insightful thank you for your honesty I really appreciate it!
 

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Hi everyone, really I’m just looking for other peoples opinions/experiences in their job as a train driver, what you enjoy/don’t enjoy as of 2024 etc.

I went for an interview on the 8th November and they offered me the job a few hours later (obviously I have to pass the psychometric first! I have this booked in on Thursday). This job was a huge whim for me, I didn’t think I’d even get offered an interview to begin with (I’m currently a Dental Nurse - so VERY different industry). I’m obviously delighted to be getting this far, but I’m suddenly feeling quite “off” and worried I’m going to be leaving a job I don’t really mind - to then go into something I’ll possibly dislike. Anyway I know this is something I have to figure out for myself. I’ll stop blabbing. Would just appreciate some real experiences please! Thank you so much, have a lovely weekend!
I was a lorry driver for a long time before becoming a train driver. I was an enthusiast as a youngster (and still am) and wish I’d looked at joining the railway when I left school. I’ve no idea why I didn’t.

I love the job. Being out there on my own (very similar to lorry driving) enjoying the ride and being professionally in charge of a large heavy freight train. There’s immense responsibility but also the pride of a job well done. Of course the other perks are very welcome, but it was wanting to be a Train driver driver for me. As for the down sides, shifts are harder for us than passenger work although we don’t get the issues with narky passengers lol. Fatalities whilst seem to be common, are probably a lot less than on the roads, but you have to expect it to happen to you. I find it a lot less stressful than my previous role, but again, I’m freight.

I suppose you have to ask yourself why you really applied in the first place? What was the reason for the whim? For me, it’s the best job in the world, be honest with yourself, and ask is it really what you can see happily doing for the next X amount of years, or are you happy in the dentist industry.
 

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I absolutely love the job. As a dental nurse you could probably walk back into a job if it didn't work out. Some of the things posted above about negatives are not for me really. Don't mind shifts and I'm not a drinker so don't miss pubs etc. Obviously it's a choice only you can make , but no one i work with regrets it.
 

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Hi everyone, really I’m just looking for other peoples opinions/experiences in their job as a train driver, what you enjoy/don’t enjoy as of 2024 etc.

I went for an interview on the 8th November and they offered me the job a few hours later (obviously I have to pass the psychometric first! I have this booked in on Thursday). This job was a huge whim for me, I didn’t think I’d even get offered an interview to begin with (I’m currently a Dental Nurse - so VERY different industry). I’m obviously delighted to be getting this far, but I’m suddenly feeling quite “off” and worried I’m going to be leaving a job I don’t really mind - to then go into something I’ll possibly dislike. Anyway I know this is something I have to figure out for myself. I’ll stop blabbing. Would just appreciate some real experiences please! Thank you so much, have a lovely weekend!
I’d say it all depends on the company you join, they all have slightly different rosters ect. Freight could also be an option too, but again they also have positives and negatives.

There’s nothing stopping you from giving it ago. People will always like and dislike different things about the job, so take that with a pinch of salt
 

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I'd ask yourself how much you like working around people and talking to customers etc. If you are happy to work alone and have the concentration then go for it.
However, if you are a people person i would say don't write off the railway but try a Train Manager/Senior Conductor role instead. And then when you get to know the industry and the drivers you work with you'll get more of a feel about what they do and if you'd like it.
No shame in trying to pass the psychometric tests and then deciding it's not for you.
The important thing is not to be persuaded by the high wages. It's no replacement for having a job you like and being unhappy.
 

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I was a lorry driver for a long time before becoming a train driver. I was an enthusiast as a youngster (and still am) and wish I’d looked at joining the railway when I left school. I’ve no idea why I didn’t.

I love the job. Being out there on my own (very similar to lorry driving) enjoying the ride and being professionally in charge of a large heavy freight train. There’s immense responsibility but also the pride of a job well done. Of course the other perks are very welcome, but it was wanting to be a Train driver driver for me. As for the down sides, shifts are harder for us than passenger work although we don’t get the issues with narky passengers lol. Fatalities whilst seem to be common, are probably a lot less than on the roads, but you have to expect it to happen to you. I find it a lot less stressful than my previous role, but again, I’m freight.

I suppose you have to ask yourself why you really applied in the first place? What was the reason for the whim? For me, it’s the best job in the world, be honest with yourself, and ask is it really what you can see happily doing for the next X amount of years, or are you happy in the dentist industry.

Ah ok! That’s interesting thank you for sharing! The reason I applied is because even though I don’t mind Dental Nursing, I’m a massive introvert and the constant interaction/chatting with patients all day every day just seems to be getting more draining on me/my mental health, even 7 years on, so I can feel a change needing to happen soon, plus the very low pay is not feasible for me much longer (age 26 and still living at home). I’ve applied to the trainee driver in the past as I’d read it’s quite a “lonely” job (which sounds ideal for what my brain needs) but also the wage seems good too. I know wage shouldn’t be the priority, but unfortunately being on minimum wage it is a big priority when making a decision to change jobs. I think I’m just worried because I wouldn’t consider myself a train enthusiast at all, it feels as though most on here are and that’s why they enjoy the job, so I wonder if I shouldn’t really be going into the industry.. Thanks again for your input!

I absolutely love the job. As a dental nurse you could probably walk back into a job if it didn't work out. Some of the things posted above about negatives are not for me really. Don't mind shifts and I'm not a drinker so don't miss pubs etc. Obviously it's a choice only you can make , but no one i work with regrets it.

Thanks for sharing! This is true I could easily walk back into a job. I also don’t go out/drink so I’m unsure if I’d feel the negative impact on shifts (although do worry how it will impact my relationship or 6 years as we both work the same shifts at current). Anyway, I haven’t even got past psychometric yet! I’m a big over-thinker when it comes to these decisions (hence the post). Thanks again for insight!

I’d say it all depends on the company you join, they all have slightly different rosters ect. Freight could also be an option too, but again they also have positives and negatives.

There’s nothing stopping you from giving it ago. People will always like and dislike different things about the job, so take that with a pinch of salt
This is true! Anyway I haven’t even got past psychometric yet! So we shall see haha! Thank you for the input!

I'd ask yourself how much you like working around people and talking to customers etc. If you are happy to work alone and have the concentration then go for it.
However, if you are a people person i would say don't write off the railway but try a Train Manager/Senior Conductor role instead. And then when you get to know the industry and the drivers you work with you'll get more of a feel about what they do and if you'd like it.
No shame in trying to pass the psychometric tests and then deciding it's not for you.
The important thing is not to be persuaded by the high wages. It's no replacement for having a job you like and being unhappy.
Hello! Haha I’ve just replied to a similar post - stating I’m a huge introvert and the constant patient interaction in my current job is draining on me even 7 years later. I read a while back that it’s a lonely job and that just sounded ideal for me. I’m just worried because I truly wouldn’t consider myself a train enthusiast. But yes, I shall give the psychometric a go and see where I get (not expecting too high based on the pass rate haha!). Thank you for the input!
 
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lae150

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Hello! Haha I’ve just replied to a similar post - stating I’m a huge introvert and the constant patient interaction in my current job is draining on me even 7 years later. I read a while back that it’s a lonely job and that just sounded ideal for me. I’m just worried because I truly wouldn’t consider myself a train enthusiast. But yes, I shall give the psychometric a go and see where I get (not expecting too high based on the pass rate haha!). Thank you for the input!
In that case you'd probably love it! There's are plenty of people who apply that have no knowledge of trains at all or an enthusiast so don't worry about that.
With the tests, just practice what they will send you. You don't need to be clever to pass them you just need to understand them and what is expected. There's a big thread somewhere on here with lots of info that will help.
Go for it. You've nothing to lose as you can always say no thanks but you'll probably regret not seeing where you can get. You've obviously done great so far!
 

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In that case you'd probably love it! There's are plenty of people who apply that have no knowledge of trains at all or an enthusiast so don't worry about that.
With the tests, just practice what they will send you. You don't need to be clever to pass them you just need to understand them and what is expected. There's a big thread somewhere on here with lots of info that will help.
Go for it. You've nothing to lose as you can always say no thanks but you'll probably regret not seeing where you can get. You've obviously done great so far!

Ah ok that makes me feel better! I was so worried I’d be going into an industry and expected to know so much already about trains, or be made to feel small for not really being an enthusiast. I think deep down I obviously do want this job because I’ve done a lot of prep work for the psychometric (I’ve got a well organised folder and everything - because I’m a weirdo who enjoys learning/exams etc lol) So yeah, I’ll give it my all and then go from there. If I fail then that will make it easier for me (because I won’t have a decision to make haha!) But I think I just need to push myself and try it. Thanks so much for the advice it’s much appreciated!
 

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Ah ok that makes me feel better! I was so worried I’d be going into an industry and expected to know so much already about trains, or be made to feel small for not really being an enthusiast. I think deep down I obviously do want this job because I’ve done a lot of prep work for the psychometric (I’ve got a well organised folder and everything - because I’m a weirdo who enjoys learning/exams etc lol) So yeah, I’ll give it my all and then go from there. If I fail then that will make it easier for me (because I won’t have a decision to make haha!) But I think I just need to push myself and try it. Thanks so much for the advice it’s much appreciated!
Oh no, definitely not! There are people I work with who are spotters and know a lot about all kinds of trains but then there are people like me who know a lot about the train type I work on thanks to training and experience but nothing about any others! :D You'll be made welcome even if you know nothing at all about them.
That's great! I'm sure you'll do well. Keep us posted ;)
 

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Oh no, definitely not! There are people I work with who are spotters and know a lot about all kinds of trains but then there are people like me who know a lot about the train type I work on thanks to training and experience but nothing about any others! :D You'll be made welcome even if you know nothing at all about them.
That's great! I'm sure you'll do well. Keep us posted ;)

That’s brill! Haha I will do, thank you again!
 

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Ah ok that makes me feel better! I was so worried I’d be going into an industry and expected to know so much already about trains, or be made to feel small for not really being an enthusiast. I think deep down I obviously do want this job because I’ve done a lot of prep work for the psychometric (I’ve got a well organised folder and everything - because I’m a weirdo who enjoys learning/exams etc lol) So yeah, I’ll give it my all and then go from there. If I fail then that will make it easier for me (because I won’t have a decision to make haha!) But I think I just need to push myself and try it. Thanks so much for the advice it’s much appreciated!
Tbh from what you have put in previous replies the job sounds perfect for you.
I was just about to put my "negative" in from the original reply that the 1st year is very intense with hell of a lot to learn BUT as you're organised and enjoy learning/exams you will probably love it!!!
 

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Ah ok! That’s interesting thank you for sharing! The reason I applied is because even though I don’t mind Dental Nursing, I’m a massive introvert and the constant interaction/chatting with patients all day every day just seems to be getting more draining on me/my mental health, even 7 years on, so I can feel a change needing to happen soon, plus the very low pay is not feasible for me much longer (age 26 and still living at home). I’ve applied to the trainee driver in the past as I’d read it’s quite a “lonely” job (which sounds ideal for what my brain needs) but also the wage seems good too. I know wage shouldn’t be the priority, but unfortunately being on minimum wage it is a big priority when making a decision to change jobs. I think I’m just worried because I wouldn’t consider myself a train enthusiast at all, it feels as though most on here are and that’s why they enjoy the job, so I wonder if I shouldn’t really be going into the industry.. Thanks again for your input!



Thanks for sharing! This is true I could easily walk back into a job. I also don’t go out/drink so I’m unsure if I’d feel the negative impact on shifts (although do worry how it will impact my relationship or 6 years as we both work the same shifts at current). Anyway, I haven’t even got past psychometric yet! I’m a big over-thinker when it comes to these decisions (hence the post). Thanks again for insight!


This is true! Anyway I haven’t even got past psychometric yet! So we shall see haha! Thank you for the input!


Hello! Haha I’ve just replied to a similar post - stating I’m a huge introvert and the constant patient interaction in my current job is draining on me even 7 years later. I read a while back that it’s a lonely job and that just sounded ideal for me. I’m just worried because I truly wouldn’t consider myself a train enthusiast. But yes, I shall give the psychometric a go and see where I get (not expecting too high based on the pass rate haha!). Thank you for the input!
After reading a little bit more about yourself from what you’ve shared, I’d say go for it. Don’t let the enthusiast thing worry you in the slightest. Of the 10 on my course, there were probably 2/3 who were interested in the railway. It helps a little bit with knowledge, but they’ll (intensively) teach you all you need to know. If you think you prefer the bliss of working on your own, the job will suit you. Although be careful how you put that across with pass work lol.

The shifts on pass aren’t as bad as freight, but you can expect some 3am(ish) starts I’d expect and late finishes (1am?). You’ll be surprised how you cope once you’ve got used to it. As for the money, don’t be afraid to admit it’s an attraction. You can bang your pension up and hopefully retire earlier than our successive governments would like you too.

As for your forthcoming tests, there’s plenty of information already on here, or ask questions on your own thread. I’m sure there’s plenty of people like me who are happy to help and give advise. I got it when I went through, happy to pass on what I can.

Good luck.
 

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Tbh from what you have put in previous replies the job sounds perfect for you.
I was just about to put my "negative" in from the original reply that the 1st year is very intense with hell of a lot to learn BUT as you're organised and enjoy learning/exams you will probably love it!!!

This is something they really focused on in my interview and asked what was involved with my Dental Nursing qualification (2 years of coursework, science exams and then an end point presentation in front of a board of professionals). I can safely say that was the 2 years I enjoyed the most in my nursing, I really love learning. So hopefully I get the opportunity to learn the railway too now! (Psychometric pending haha!). Thanks so much I feel a lot better about things now and where my head is at!

After reading a little bit more about yourself from what you’ve shared, I’d say go for it. Don’t let the enthusiast thing worry you in the slightest. Of the 10 on my course, there were probably 2/3 who were interested in the railway. It helps a little bit with knowledge, but they’ll (intensively) teach you all you need to know. If you think you prefer the bliss of working on your own, the job will suit you. Although be careful how you put that across with pass work lol.

The shifts on pass aren’t as bad as freight, but you can expect some 3am(ish) starts I’d expect and late finishes (1am?). You’ll be surprised how you cope once you’ve got used to it. As for the money, don’t be afraid to admit it’s an attraction. You can bang your pension up and hopefully retire earlier than our successive governments would like you too.

As for your forthcoming tests, there’s plenty of information already on here, or ask questions on your own thread. I’m sure there’s plenty of people like me who are happy to help and give advise. I got it when I went through, happy to pass on what I can.

Good luck.

Thank you so much I really do appreciate it! It’s always nerving coming onto a thread as somewhat of a “beginner”, but everyone has been nothing but friendly/helpful. Let’s see how my psychometrics go hey! Haha!
 

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What makes you think you will dislike the job? You do not have to be an enthusiast to do the job. The training is based on an assumption that all trainees have no knowledge whatsoever and you will be taught everything you need to know in a clear, logical way.

The training is intense but as long as you don’t mess up you take your key out at the end of the day and don’t have to think about work when you’re at home.

The railway family really is that, a family. There is also a saying of the right way, the wrong way and the railway. They really can be last century in their thinking and the way things work!

The money is certainly good but shiftwork can be hard. You may start at 04:00 one day, 06:30 the next, 05:15 the next and so on. You could miss family events and friends and family may not understand why you can’t get time off work.

Just a few thoughts.
 

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What makes you think you will dislike the job? You do not have to be an enthusiast to do the job. The training is based on an assumption that all trainees have no knowledge whatsoever and you will be taught everything you need to know in a clear, logical way.

The training is intense but as long as you don’t mess up you take your key out at the end of the day and don’t have to think about work when you’re at home.

The railway family really is that, a family. There is also a saying of the right way, the wrong way and the railway. They really can be last century in their thinking and the way things work!

The money is certainly good but shiftwork can be hard. You may start at 04:00 one day, 06:30 the next, 05:15 the next and so on. You could miss family events and friends and family may not understand why you can’t get time off work.

Just a few thoughts.

Hey, I think because I’m not an enthusiast, and most on here seemed to love trains beforehand, and therefore have a love for the job, so I was worried not having the “passion” would hinder me. However having read some responses I feel much better about that now. Thank you so much for the insight, the shifts would definitely be something for me to get used to, but I feel at this point in time I’m in a good position for them (no “real” responsibilities- kids etc) plus my social life away from my partner is non-existent haha.
 

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Ah ok! That’s interesting thank you for sharing! The reason I applied is because even though I don’t mind Dental Nursing, I’m a massive introvert and the constant interaction/chatting with patients all day every day just seems to be getting more draining on me/my mental health, even 7 years on, so I can feel a change needing to happen soon, plus the very low pay is not feasible for me much longer (age 26 and still living at home). I’ve applied to the trainee driver in the past as I’d read it’s quite a “lonely” job (which sounds ideal for what my brain needs) but also the wage seems good too. I know wage shouldn’t be the priority, but unfortunately being on minimum wage it is a big priority when making a decision to change jobs. I think I’m just worried because I wouldn’t consider myself a train enthusiast at all, it feels as though most on here are and that’s why they enjoy the job, so I wonder if I shouldn’t really be going into the industry.. Thanks again for your input!

You sound just like me! The solo aspect of the job seems like the best bit. I've always said, my idea of the perfect job is - give me a task and then leave me alone to get on with it. I took the psychometrics last year and really enjoyed the which I know sounds completely mad. Even the one I failed, I enjoyed and was desperate to have another go. I think since you've made it so far, which in itself is fantastic, and that fact you are putting a lot of thought and effort into the process shows you'd be a great candidate. The money is a huge factor for most people and that's ok as long as it isn't the only factor, and from what you've written, it's clear that it isn't. Oh, and I know nothing about trains really, I just researched them for my interview.

For the assessment

Paper tests come first - you do get time between tests to relax for a minute while they get collected but you can't leave the room. Once you've finished a test, forget about it and focus on the next one. You can't change the result and even if you think you've done badly it might not be the case.

Group Bourdon - Practice as much as you can. I thought it was much easier on the day than the practice material but everyone is different.
TEAOCC 1, 2 and 3 - Part 1 count the tones, part 2 circle matching symbols, part 3 both together. Count the tones on your fingers and circle the matching symbols in the breaks in between the tones. That's all you need to do. Don't overthink it.
TRP1 - There's no trick to this one, you just need to memorise the passage and answer questions. Once you've read it/listened to it, you'll get a feel for the kind of questions they will ask so I wrote as many notes as possible. The passage I had was about a train breaking system.
TRP2 - Cables and dials. This one is pretty much impossible to finish so don't worry about getting anywhere near the end, you'll get to practice and the examiner will explain why you got it wrong if you do. The examiner I had was really nice to the guy taking the tests with me, he really struggled with this and she explained what he was doing wrong.

Break and results for paper tests. Some will be asked to leave here.

Computer tests next - these are back to back with no breaks.

WAFV - Stare at a grey box for 30 mins and press the button when it changes to black. Again, not much you can do to prepare, you just need to concentrate. I moved about in my chair to stop me from drifting off. Whatever works for you. I did this on my own so not sure how distracting it is having other people in the room, but ignore what everyone else is doing.
ATAVT - Traffic scenes flashing up on the screen for one second and then you are asked to say what you see. Pedestrians, vehicles, bikes, traffic lights and traffic signs. Only select the ones you definitely saw, don't guess.
2 hand coordination test - Move the ball around the track on the screen using two joysticks. Right hand goes up and down, left hand goes right to left. I messed this one up as I went too quickly and went outside the lines too many times. It's a real balance between speed and accuracy (all the tests are really). I found it weird as I'm used to a PS5 controller which moves 360 on both sides. You get to practice so really use the time to get a feel for the movement. I rushed it. :'(

Then its another break (lunch) - I got kicked out at this time but if you stay you'll be asked to do the MMI.

MMI - You'll be asked to complete some competency based questions and then in the interview will be asked to expand on the answers. Use the STAR method. I don't have much to offer on this as I haven't done it myself but from what I've read people's experiences differ. Some found straightforward, some found it tough and felt they were being grilled. I suppose it depends on your personality but if you're used to remaining calm while dealing with difficult patients then I'm sure you'll be fine.

That's it! It's a big day so try to get a good nights sleep before. I stayed over in Leeds so I could be well rested, but still found it hard to sleep. Too much excitement/nerves. I found Northerns prep helpful, but got the best advice on here. I've found it to be a really supportive environment. The whole process is so tough, they only person you are competing against is yourself so most people on here will be genuinely thrilled if you get through.

Best of luck with the assessments, I'm sure you'll smash it! Then it's into the talent pool to wait for a course date and have a medical. From what I've heard on the grapevine Northern will be heavily recruiting again next year, so hopefully I won't be too far behind you in getting place in the pool, if I can just get another go on those bloody joysticks! :lol:
 

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Go for it. I can see very little downside. If you don't like it then try something else later. As a customer, I like my drivers (and dental nurses) competent and safe. Passionate is optional. I'd imagine employers think along similar lines. If yiu do it for a few months/weeks/years and then do something different that's all part of life's rich tapestry
 

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I absolutely love the job. As a dental nurse you could probably walk back into a job if it didn't work out. Some of the things posted above about negatives are not for me really. Don't mind shifts and I'm not a drinker so don't miss pubs etc. Obviously it's a choice only you can make , but no one i work with regrets it.
This is fabulous advice. You would walk back into your current job but subject to the northern contract you maybe “trapped” for a few years if you had to pay back training fees

On a personal view I love driving trains and the money is good but can see why lots only do it for the money and have incidents
 

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On a personal view I love driving trains and the money is good but can see why lots only do it for the money and have incidents

Indeed. Some people only see the headline salary and aren't quite so interested in doing the job well as they don't have the right attitude. A professional attitude is much more important than having any prior railway knowledge or interest.
 

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Hey, I think because I’m not an enthusiast, and most on here seemed to love trains beforehand, and therefore have a love for the job, so I was worried not having the “passion” would hinder me. However having read some responses I feel much better about that now. Thank you so much for the insight, the shifts would definitely be something for me to get used to, but I feel at this point in time I’m in a good position for them (no “real” responsibilities- kids etc) plus my social life away from my partner is non-existent haha.
Definitely nothing to worry about not being an enthusiast , in my experience the vast majority of people working in the industry aren't enthusiasts .Obviously a forum like this will be skewed , but out there actually doing the job the vast majority of people had no prior interest or knowledge in railways before working in the industry . I hadn' even travelled on a train for years before I started working in the industry . The training for any role including driving will assume absolutely zero background knowledge , you might find people on your course who have got previous experience or knowledge from being an enthusiast or working in the industry already but the training will still start from very basics for everyone .

Tbh just being an enthusiast on its own doesn't give you the right skills/abilities to do the job , and some of those non technical skills are just as important as knowing everything there is to know about trains . As long as you can put up with the shifts , maintain concentration on a repetitive task , cope well under pressure and take the responsibility involved in the role seriously then they can teach you everything else you need to know .
 

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Just to add to the negatives that others haven’t already mentioned, in my experience the railway really is not a family friendly employer. If you were a single parent for example forget it, there’s just no way.

The basic expectation it seems is if you have kids, you have to have a partner who can deal with all the aspects of having kids (I think Northern have a bit of a 1970s attitude that the bloke works and the woman stays home with the kids).

It really has been a massive step back in terms of the working culture (I came from the NHS).
 

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Just to add to the negatives that others haven’t already mentioned, in my experience the railway really is not a family friendly employer. If you were a single parent for example forget it, there’s just no way.

The basic expectation it seems is if you have kids, you have to have a partner who can deal with all the aspects of having kids (I think Northern have a bit of a 1970s attitude that the bloke works and the woman stays home with the kids).

It really has been a massive step back in terms of the working culture (I came from the NHS).

Agreed. If you need to be at home to take the kids to school at 8am and pick them up at 3, it’s probably not the job for you.
 

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A lot of managers will encourage non enthusiasts as they can be in the role “just because” and can cause issues at training school because they think they know it all!

The above about the railway not being very family friendly is spot on! If you want weekends off you’ll be very disappointed after initial rules training! This has caused issues at my depot with trainees as they spend 5 months doing office hours then lose most Saturdays to work! Some driving instructors will allow you to still be flexible around weekend working giving you some Saturdays and Sundays off but others won’t and will expect you to follow their roster to the letter to prepare you for once you’ve passed out
 

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Just to add to the negatives that others haven’t already mentioned, in my experience the railway really is not a family friendly employer. If you were a single parent for example forget it, there’s just no way.

The basic expectation it seems is if you have kids, you have to have a partner who can deal with all the aspects of having kids (I think Northern have a bit of a 1970s attitude that the bloke works and the woman stays home with the kids).

It really has been a massive step back in terms of the working culture (I came from the NHS).
But you do get 9 months maternity leave at full pay which is huge! My current job is only 26 weeks full which I think is pretty standard.

Agreed. If you need to be at home to take the kids to school at 8am and pick them up at 3, it’s probably not the job for you.
I think most full time workers struggle with this. There are ways to make it work, just depends on your circumstances.
 
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Definitely possible to balance work with family responsibilities if you have the right support network outside of work. It’s more things like being able to attend sports day, Nativity etc. that could be difficult to circumnavigate although you may be able to swap shifts with people or book annual leave.
 

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Definitely possible to balance work with family responsibilities if you have the right support network outside of work. It’s more things like being able to attend sports day, Nativity etc. that could be difficult to circumnavigate although you may be able to swap shifts with people or book annual leave.
More likely to be able to attend sports day or nativity if you've got days off during the week. I don't have kids but if I did all school events would be impossible unless I booked a day off. I work Mon-Fri 9-5. There are no shifts to swap. But weekend events would be trickier with shift work. My dad was a musician so worked nights, weekends, Christmas etc but him and my mum still made it work. She worked days.

Bit tricky on the railway when you’ll be expected to work your roster which will involve shifts.

But for Northern, as far as I know, your schedule is fixed in advance so you'll always know when your days off are and can make arrangements. I'm expected to work Mon-Fri 9-5, I can't just pop out when I feel like it unless it's for a medical appointment which can't be rescheduled.
 

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You make the job work for you. There’s some sacrifices you have to make occasionally but it’s the best job in the world. I fell into train driving and had no intention of it being my career but I feel I’ve won the lottery.

Go for it. Grab the opportunity with both hands, work hard, keep your nose clean and you will have a fantastic, career.

Good luck
 

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