Temporary Timetable 13th Dec - 7th Jan

[SeanG]

Just hearing that Network Rail are proposing to implement a Temporary Timetable from the 13th December - 7th January. A 12 hour timetable 0600 - 1800 is proposed and some routes will be without services at all.

This is due to the impact of the strikes and the resultant disruption.

Due to the reliance on contingent signallers and a ban on Rest Day Working and Overtime some routes won’t open. For instance Tyseley depot won’t be available because the Snow Hill panel of the WMCC won’t be open. Chiltern are only operating Marylebone to Banbury. Hereford is one of the locations that will be without trains this period.

 

[JonathanH]

If that is the disruption possible just with an overtime ban, you really have to question why it wasn't done much sooner in this dispute. Maybe this will be the step that brings the matter to a head.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

If that is the disruption possible just with an overtime ban, you really have to question why it wasn't done much sooner in this dispute. Maybe this will be the step that brings the matter to a head.

And perhaps the step that finally drives away the last remaining passengers, pesky nuisance that they are. HM Treasury will be most happy to fund the train set indefinitely I'm sure.

Just hearing that Network Rail are proposing to implement a Temporary Timetable from the 13th December - 7th January. A 12 hour timetable 0600 - 1800 is proposed and some routes will be without services at all.

This is due to the impact of the strikes and the resultant disruption.

Due to the reliance on contingent signallers and a ban on Rest Day Working and Overtime some routes won’t open. For instance Tyseley depot won’t be available because the Snow Hill panel of the WMCC won’t be open. Chiltern are only operating Marylebone to Banbury. Hereford is one of the locations that will be without trains this period.

Any source for this?

 

[DMckduck97]

And perhaps the step that finally drives away the last remaining passengers, pesky nuisance that they are. HM Treasury will be most happy to fund the train set indefinitely I'm sure.


Any source for this?

The good thing about an overtime ban is technically the staff aren’t exactly striking, so any further cancellations from an overtime ban can have you all pointing your fingers at the companies who aren’t resourcing the railway correctly.

If that is the disruption possible just with an overtime ban, you really have to question why it wasn't done much sooner in this dispute. Maybe this will be the step that brings the matter to a head.

if this does get implanted then I suspect a full overtime ban for the entirety of the remaining mandate period

 

[Kite159]

And perhaps the step that finally drives away the last remaining passengers, pesky nuisance that they are. HM Treasury will be most happy to fund the train set indefinitely I'm sure.


Any source for this?

The coach companies & car companies will be rubbing their hands in glee at all the extra custom they will get as people give up using the railway if it's only going to be open between 06-00 & 18-00 on the days where the overtime ban is in place.

 

[Jan Mayen]

OK, so that's most of my income up the spout (I work a lot in the evenings). Assuming this is going to be done, any idea when it'll be announced?

 

[68011]

OK, so that's most of my income up the spout (I work a lot in the evenings). Assuming this is going to be done, any idea when it'll be announced?

I understand Monday 5th December is the deadline for an agreement to be reached.

 

[Jan Mayen]

I understand Monday 5th December is the deadline for an agreement to be reached.

Thank you

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Hereford is one of the locations that will be without trains this period.

Can you just clarify what you mean by this point please. Is it trains between those hours and not outside or no trains whatsoever from any company?

 

[AndrewE]

Sounds just like the excuse the Treasury has been looking for to pull the plug and shut it down altogether...

 

[Peregrine 4903]

Just hearing that Network Rail are proposing to implement a Temporary Timetable from the 13th December - 7th January. A 12 hour timetable 0600 - 1800 is proposed and some routes will be without services at all.

This is due to the impact of the strikes and the resultant disruption.

Due to the reliance on contingent signallers and a ban on Rest Day Working and Overtime some routes won’t open. For instance Tyseley depot won’t be available because the Snow Hill panel of the WMCC won’t be open. Chiltern are only operating Marylebone to Banbury. Hereford is one of the locations that will be without trains this period.

Not all of that is true.

 

[Jan Mayen]

Not all of that is true.

Excellent. Can you say which bits aren't true please?

 

[SeanG]

Apologies, just come back to this.. received this as part of a message doing the rounds from a rail industry staff member

 

[yorksrob]

As usual, passengers are the mushrooms.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

Not all of that is true.

I find it difficult to believe, even in the current industrial relations climate, that 'a signaller' cannot be found to staff the panel to allow trains to exit Tysleley depot am and return pm. Unless it is such a specialised job compared to other panels in the box?

part of a message doing the rounds from a rail industry staff member

Written message or verbal? Chinese Whispers?

 

[172007]

Movements on off Tyseley depot from the north end are controlled by Tyseley No1 signal box, a lever frame box. It is quite possible very few managers can operate it. Yes trains can arrive and depart from the south end controlled via West Midlands Snow Hill workstation but is not an efficient way as most trains would have to use Dorridge Station to change ends to access to from the north as this is the nearest practical walking route for non gangwayed trains unless you double driver.

 

[InkyScrolls]

So is there a firm source for this theoretical timetable, or is it mere rumour?

 

[Watershed]

So is there a firm source for this theoretical timetable, or is it mere rumour?

When you hear it from so many different channels (as with the GWR HST withdrawal), its plausibility increases.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

Movements on off Tyseley depot from the north end are controlled by Tyseley No1 signal box, a lever frame box. It is quite possible very few managers can operate it. Yes trains can arrive and depart from the south end controlled via West Midlands Snow Hill workstation but is not an efficient way as most trains would have to use Dorridge Station to change ends to access to from the north as this is the nearest practical walking route for non gangwayed trains unless you double driver.

Thanks for the clarification. I was going off:

For instance Tyseley depot won’t be available because the Snow Hill panel of the WMCC won’t be open.

 

[yorksrob]

One tries to be optimistic, but when we come to these crunch points, things usually get worse rather than better.

 

[zwk500]

If that is the disruption possible just with an overtime ban, you really have to question why it wasn't done much sooner in this dispute. Maybe this will be the step that brings the matter to a head.

Many rail staff also use overtime to top up their salaries - this is a big financial hit they are taking. Personally, I'd have gone to overtime ban before strikes but I can understand why there was reluctance.

The good thing about an overtime ban is technically the staff aren’t exactly striking, so any further cancellations from an overtime ban can have you all pointing your fingers at the companies who aren’t resourcing the railway correctly.

I'm willing to bet that anybody who has already made their mind up about fault in this dispute won't be changing it because of the overtime ban. I suspect those who haven't made up their minds about who's at fault will continue to not really care and only want their train to run on time.

 

[The Planner]

Movements on off Tyseley depot from the north end are controlled by Tyseley No1 signal box, a lever frame box. It is quite possible very few managers can operate it. Yes trains can arrive and depart from the south end controlled via West Midlands Snow Hill workstation but is not an efficient way as most trains would have to use Dorridge Station to change ends to access to from the north as this is the nearest practical walking route for non gangwayed trains unless you double driver.

There should be a walking route south of Tyseley now as they were meant to reverse there when the Tyseley block was on.

 

[irish_rail]

So presumably no trains west of Exeter for that entire period (as there is no contingency signaller for Plymouth panel). Interesting.....

 

[Sly Old Fox]

I imagine they’ll just shut the lot down. What a corner the industry is backing itself into.

 

[Bald Rick]

If that is the disruption possible just with an overtime ban, you really have to question why it wasn't done much sooner in this dispute. Maybe this will be the step that brings the matter to a head.

Possibly because not all signallers work overtime, and some work lots of it. Therefore the pain would be felt by only a proportion of the signallers, who would therefore be more likely to buckle in a prolonged dispute such as one that we are in.

 

[BJames]

Oh dear. Some significant replanning of my upcoming month needed if this is true. It needs to be communicated as soon as possible to the general public if this is the case - but appreciate the heads up on here, I can do some shift rearranging - but as not everyone is able to do the same, this will be really tough for a lot of people, and can't be anything short of politically devastating surely. I've noticed more front-page style articles on the Guardian's webpage recently for instance.

 

[Peregrine 4903]

Excellent. Can you say which bits aren't true please?

No, sorry.

 

[Seehof]

Apologies if I missed it, but where did news of this possible emergency timetable come from?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Can you just clarify what you mean by this point please. Is it trains between those hours and not outside or no trains whatsoever from any company?

Does anyone have any idea RE this point or is it simply a case of wait and see?

 

[Bald Rick]

Does anyone have any idea RE this point or is it simply a case of wait and see?

The latter. Wait until the middle of next week. If the strikes aren’t off by then, then start checking.