Terms used "darn sarf" that baffle us oiks up north

[341o2]

Indeed. Pants are what you wear under your trousers/trolleys.

If you cross the pond, ie to the USA, trousers are referred to as pants

 

[Busaholic]

I was going to say it depends which side of the Calder that you would be standing, as Todmorden spans both the Lancashire side and the Yorkshire side.

You could say that Todmorden has the best of both, as it is allocated the OL postcode (Lancashire), and a Halifax landline telephone dialling code (Yorkshire).

Never having heard of Todmorden, as a child with certain tendencies I bought or had bought for me a bus fleetbook containing the names of Lancashire municipalities operating buses and there amongst them was Todmorden. Have I been labouring under an illusion these past sixty years? Still haven't been to that fine town.

 

[martinsh]

Do you really talk like that in real life?

He does - with a broad Lancashire accent ...

 

[Ianno87]

If you cross the pond, ie to the USA, trousers are referred to as pants

As they are in Bolton.

 

[43021HST]

Cheeselog, seems to be a Berkshire only word for woodlouse. Could anyone confirm this?

I've asked various southerners and it seems to be only us Readingites who know what it is.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Around the Taunton area, if one wishes to be told the location of an item/person they will ask "Where's the [subject] to?" This was particularly confusing the first time I encountered it, as the object in question was a late-running bus. Upon being asked where the bus was to, I of course replied "Honiton" and I was quite puzzled when the lady said "No, where's it TO?"

 

[Cowley]

Around the Taunton area, if one wishes to be told the location of an item/person they will ask "Where's the [subject] to?" This was particularly confusing the first time I encountered it, as the object in question was a late-running bus. Upon being asked where the bus was to, I of course replied "Honiton" and I was quite puzzled when the lady said "No, where's it TO?"

That ones very common in Devon too, I can see why it may be a bit confusing.
Some people round yere say dug instead of dog which sounds a bit strange. "Where's the dug too"? "Oh buccer ee's chasin they bliddy sheep again innim, with that mazed look in ees eyes".
I don't talk like that of course.

 

[edwin_m]

Never having heard of Todmorden, as a child with certain tendencies I bought or had bought for me a bus fleetbook containing the names of Lancashire municipalities operating buses and there amongst them was Todmorden. Have I been labouring under an illusion these past sixty years? Still haven't been to that fine town.

The county situation of Todmorden is summarised in the first part of its Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todmorden

The historic boundary between Yorkshire and Lancashire is the River Calder and its tributary, the Walsden Water, which run through the town. The administrative border was altered by the Local Government Act 1888 placing the whole of the town within the West Riding.

 

[Spamcan81]

Do southerners know what a barm cake is - without looking it up? Or how to pronounce Daubhill? Or why Grandma sent me upstairs for some fresh trolleys?

Yes we do.

 

[Busaholic]

Around the Taunton area, if one wishes to be told the location of an item/person they will ask "Where's the [subject] to?" This was particularly confusing the first time I encountered it, as the object in question was a late-running bus. Upon being asked where the bus was to, I of course replied "Honiton" and I was quite puzzled when the lady said "No, where's it TO?"

Its use extends right down to West Cornwall - down here people journey 'up country' too, which could just entail a visit to Liskeard.

 

[theblackwatch]

Yes we do.

Some southerners don't know what a 'butty' is though. I once went down to London early for a railtour about 10 years and went to a breakfast outlet near King's Cross and asked for a sausage butty (rather than a sausage roll, as i thought I might end up with something in pastry), and the woman looked at me as if I was talking some foreign language....

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

One might wonder if the word "barmpot" would be understood in the southern shires of this realm

 

[306024]

Some southerners don't know what a 'butty' is though. I once went down to London early for a railtour about 10 years and went to a breakfast outlet near King's Cross and asked for a sausage butty (rather than a sausage roll, as i thought I might end up with something in pastry), and the woman looked at me as if I was talking some foreign language....

I tried asking for a wally in a Northern chippy and got the same reaction.

One might wonder if the word "barmpot" would be understood in the southern shires of this realm

"The southern shires of this realm", wot kind of talk is that? Better to stick with daan saaf

 

[Busaholic]

One might wonder if the word "barmpot" would be understood in the southern shires of this realm

We speak of little else in Penzance, my 'andsome.

 

[backontrack]

I tried asking for a wally in a Northern chippy and got the same reaction.

I've lived in both, and to me a Wally isn't something you eat. It's a children's book character. A Butty, however, is much more obvious, and can contain for example, bacon, chips or sausage.

 

[lejog]

The county situation of Todmorden is summarised in the first part of its Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todmorden

The historic boundary between Yorkshire and Lancashire is the River Calder and its tributary, the Walsden Water, which run through the town. The administrative border was altered by the Local Government Act 1888 placing the whole of the town within the West Riding.

Indeed. Some of the confusion about Todmorden (the town) being in Lancashire came about because the name of the district (confusingly called a township) transferred to Yorkshire in 1888 was "Todmorden and Walsden" whereas the town of Todmorden was physically located in three townships - the other two, Stansfield (north of the Calder) and Langfield (south of the Calder and east of Walsden Water), were historically both in Yorkshire. Similarly Walsden was split between the townships "Todmorden and Walsden" (Lancashire) and Langfield (Yorkshire).

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I tried asking for a wally in a Northern chippy and got the same reaction.

An unkind use of "wally" is to describe someone as a "right wally".

 

[DarloRich]

I will give you two examples the other way round. Cockneys have no idea what a stottie or a parmo is.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

"The southern shires of this realm", wot kind of talk is that? Better to stick with daan saaf

I am sometimes described as the "Wordsworth of the RailUK Forums" (another lad who lived in the northern shires of this realm) by my use of "flowery and arcane language". A forum member who has actually met me in person describes me well in posting # 63 on this thread...

I am also described in much ruder terms on threads where political debates are in progress...

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I've lived in both, and to me a Wally isn't something you eat. It's a children's book character. A Butty, however, is much more obvious, and can contain for example, bacon, chips or sausage.

Weirdly, butty is used in Lancashire for any sandwich, whereas in Yorkshire the term tends to refer at the very least to a sandwich with a warm filling, and often only to one with both a warm filling and buttered bread (which obviously melts into the bread). I've literally NEVER heard a sandwich being called a "wally" until this morning on this thread.

 

[IanD]

Weirdly, butty is used in Lancashire for any sandwich, whereas in Yorkshire the term tends to refer at the very least to a sandwich with a warm filling, and often only to one with both a warm filling and buttered bread (which obviously melts into the bread). I've literally NEVER heard a sandwich being called a "wally" until this morning on this thread.

Not sure 306024 was actaully asking for a sandwich, more likely a pickled gherkin, something I've rarely seen in a chip shop oop north so hardly surprising they didn't have a clue what he was asking for.

And in Bradford (where I'm from) and Milton Keynes (where I am now) butty is recognised as any sandwich using slices of bread of any type. Never heard of this "only warm filling and with butter" nonsense!

 

[306024]

Not sure 306024 was actaully asking for a sandwich, more likely a pickled gherkin, something I've rarely seen in a chip shop oop north so hardly surprising they didn't have a clue what he was asking for.

Well done, 'tis indeed a pickled gherkin, and they were in a big jar on the shelf so they were in stock.

Just off to make a wally butty for lunch.

I will give you two examples the other way round. Cockneys have no idea what a stottie or a parmo is.

Well I've lived many years without knowing, so a few more won't make any difference at all.

 

[DarloRich]

Well I've lived many years without knowing, so a few more won't make any difference at all.

You don't know what you are missing!

 

[341o2]

An unkind use of "wally" is to describe someone as a "right wally".

In the 1980's Wally was a term for an idiot, even a book was published on "How to be a complete Wally", examples are Wally drivers, who invariably get in the wrong lane, then sit there impeding other drivers until someone lets them in - especially at traffic lights. Wally contrives to park occupying two spaces

 

[edwin_m]

Not sure 306024 was actaully asking for a sandwich, more likely a pickled gherkin, something I've rarely seen in a chip shop oop north so hardly surprising they didn't have a clue what he was asking for.

And in Bradford (where I'm from) and Milton Keynes (where I am now) butty is recognised as any sandwich using slices of bread of any type. Never heard of this "only warm filling and with butter" nonsense!

Reminds me of Peter Mandelson allegedly asking for "some of that guacamole" in a chip shop somewhere in the north.

 

[Class172]

Reminds me of Peter Mandelson allegedly asking for "some of that guacamole" in a chip shop somewhere in the north.

Likewise, my friends (from Lincs and Yorks) were rather shocked by the dearth of gravy on offer in chip shops near me compared to what they're used to.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Not sure 306024 was actaully asking for a sandwich, more likely a pickled gherkin, something I've rarely seen in a chip shop oop north so hardly surprising they didn't have a clue what he was asking for.

And in Bradford (where I'm from) and Milton Keynes (where I am now) butty is recognised as any sandwich using slices of bread of any type. Never heard of this "only warm filling and with butter" nonsense!

The bit about not fillings and butter could well be very local, centred in the Scissett and Clayton West areas: I picked it up from my mother and grandparents who all grew up there. You'd have a chip butty, fish butty or bacon butty... but never a jam/ham/corned beef butty- those are sarnies!

 

[muddythefish]

One might wonder if the word "barmpot" would be understood in the southern shires of this realm

Have you swallowed a Victorian edition of the Thesaurus?

For the benefit of southern members, no one in Lancashire talks (or writes) like this.
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Some southerners don't know what a 'butty' is though. I once went down to London early for a railtour about 10 years and went to a breakfast outlet near King's Cross and asked for a sausage butty (rather than a sausage roll, as i thought I might end up with something in pastry), and the woman looked at me as if I was talking some foreign language....

Here in God's Own County we don't have saveloys, the "delights" of which I encountered on a trip darn sarf many years ago.

And we take the skin off our fish in the chippy too. Only heathens leave the skin on.

 

[341o2]

how about kecks and pumps?

ps although darn sarf I spent four years in the Wirral. I have fond regards for the Scousers including their back loaders and guards

 

[muddythefish]

Kecks = trousers (in effete southern language).

Pumps = plimsolls (ditto).

How about muffin?