TfW Class 67+Mk4 sets: trip planning/experiences, diagram updates etc

[LNW-GW Joint]

With the Marches expected to be closed until end of service tomorrow unlikely to see any Mk4 sets for the duration of the closure.
A logistical issue too for stabling as all 7 sets are north of the block. 2 sets ended last night in Shrewsbury. Crewe is already full so I believe at least one will head to Crewe ETD, the other potentially to Holyhead for stabling.

From RTT it's difficult to follow events yesterday on the Marches with the track defect between Church Stretton and Craven Arms.
Southbound was closed from about 1400, but northbound kept running till about 1500 and then reopened for the early evening before finally closing.
Several Mk4s got though northbound in this window, but none running today.

The NRE advice is pretty vague as to what the problem is and when it will be fixed, as they are still inspecting the track.
Meanwhile it's 197s everywhere with buses Shrewsbury-Hereford/Llandrindod.

Incident: Craven Arms | National Rail

Major disruption: buses replace trains between Shrewsbury and Llandrindod / Hereford until the end of the day on Tuesday 29 April. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

 

[Welshguy1048]

67017 set 6 have just gone to
Crewe EMD as 5M25
06.10 off Shrewsbury left at 06.38.

There is a 5Z03 path in
06.40 Shrewsbury - Holyhead
But that’s not left yet.

Cheers

Morning

Which loco and set is 5Z03 please ?

Thank you

Dave

 

[sd0733]

Morning

Which loco and set is 5Z03 please ?

Thank you

Dave

The other set at Shrewsbury is 67025+HD03 so should be that.

 

[Welshguy1048]

The other set at Shrewsbury is 67025+HD03 so should be that.

@sd0733

Thank you.

Appreciate all your help.

Dave

 

[37052 xb mr]

017 set 6 was sat in a platform
So obviously needed moving.

025 set 3 was in one of the centre roads

 

[37052 xb mr]

From RTT it's difficult to follow events yesterday on the Marches with the track defect between Church Stretton and Craven Arms.
Southbound was closed from about 1400, but northbound kept running till about 1500 and then reopened for the early evening before finally closing.
Several Mk4s got though northbound in this window, but none running today.

The NRE advice is pretty vague as to what the problem is and when it will be fixed, as they are still inspecting the track.
Meanwhile it's 197s everywhere with buses Shrewsbury-Hereford/Llandrindod.

Incident: Craven Arms | National Rail

Major disruption: buses replace trains between Shrewsbury and Llandrindod / Hereford until the end of the day on Tuesday 29 April. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

Northbound
All worked through as normal as possible, Loco hauled wise
1W63 & 1W96 both ran
1W65 was a unit because 1V46 only got to Shrewsbury.

Southbound
1V46, 1V50 & 1V62 all
Only got to Shrewsbury.

The day ended with
67010 set 5 at Holyhead, 1W96
67008 set 1 Crewe, 1W63
67016 set 7 Crewe, 1V46
67017 set 6 Shrewsbury, 1V50
67025 set 3 Shrewsbury, 1V62

67022 set 4 - B exam Crewe
67014 set 2 - Spare Crewe

 

[Scotraveller]

After they have fixed the Bridge in Cardiff and all is back to normal ? What is the likelihood of getting a class 67 set on the Manchester to Cardiff 14:30 please.
Desperate for 67 haulage and a last ride in a MK4 (perhaps).

 

[Anonymous10]

After they have fixed the Bridge in Cardiff and all is back to normal ? What is the likelihood of getting a class 67 set on the Manchester to Cardiff 14:30 please.
Desperate for 67 haulage and a last ride in a MK4 (perhaps).

The tfw mk4s aren't going anywhere soon so don't worry.

 

[MP393]

After they have fixed the Bridge in Cardiff and all is back to normal ? What is the likelihood of getting a class 67 set on the Manchester to Cardiff 14:30 please.
Desperate for 67 haulage and a last ride in a MK4 (perhaps).

If you mean today, next to none. I’d also look at alternative routes if you want to avoid a bus from Shrewsbury - Hereford.

If not today, the 14:30 is a good bet. That diagram starts in Holyhead of a morning, so your best bet is to check if any mk4 goes north on 1W96 17:22 Cardiff - Holyhead the day before you travel, as that is the set which forms the 14:30 ex Manchester the day after*

*subject to normal set swaps, which are picked up pretty quickly in here

 

[Scotraveller]

Thank you Anonymous10 I don't get down that far very often so hence the anxiety! Similar worries about the HSTs up here but talking to a driver he says they are going to be around for a while too despite their cardboard cabs.
Thank you MP393 I just don't want a DMU. It's bad enough that I am to be rattled down to Manchester by TPE CAF rattly bounce EMU.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Line closure between Shrewsbury and Hereford now extended through the weekend until end of service on Monday April 28.

Incident: Craven Arms | National Rail

Major disruption: buses replace trains between Shrewsbury and Llandrindod / Hereford until the end of the day on Tuesday 29 April. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

 

[37052 xb mr]

0Z02 15.30 Crewe CS
67014 set 2 appears to be soon fighting its way to Canton

 

[craigybagel]

There was talk yesterday of putting SLW in place purely for freight and essential ECS movements. It's not really practical for any kind of passenger service to run.

 

[37052 xb mr]

6M76 to Dee Marsh still ran this morning via the Marchers

 

[sd0733]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:75300/2025-04-26/detailed
HD03 is planned to head back to Crewe tomorrow taking the slot at Crewe vacated by HD02 heading to Cardiff. That's the only movement for any rake planned over the weekend.

 

[IslandLine101]

Which line is it that is open (or open-ish) then? Seems like a pretty big failure to happen out of the blue.

 

[craigybagel]

Which line is it that is open (or open-ish) then? Seems like a pretty big failure to happen out of the blue.

Up (northbound) line. It's not unprecedented, there was a similar one a few years ago a few miles down the line at Onibury.

 

[37052 xb mr]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:75300/2025-04-26/detailed
HD03 is planned to head back to Crewe tomorrow taking the slot at Crewe vacated by HD02 heading to Cardiff. That's the only movement for any rake planned over the weekend.

014 set 2 Ran as 5Z02

 

[Welshguy1048]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:75300/2025-04-26/detailed
HD03 is planned to head back to Crewe tomorrow taking the slot at Crewe vacated by HD02 heading to Cardiff. That's the only movement for any rake planned over the weekend.

@sd0733
Hi

RTT has this as a light loco move...

Will it actually be the loco and the set going to Crewe ?

Thank you

Dave

 

[37052 xb mr]

@sd0733
Hi

RTT has this as a light loco move...

Will it actually be the loco and the set going to Crewe ?

Thank you

Dave

The path for 67014 & set 2 was originally showing as 0Z02
But it actually ran correctly as 5Z02
Guessing it will the same for
67025 set 3 tomorrow

Cheers

 

[Welshguy1048]

The path for 67014 & set 2 was originally showing as 0Z02
But it actually ran correctly as 5Z02
Guessing it will the same for
67025 set 3 tomorrow

Cheers

@37052 xb mr

Thank you.

Dave

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Shrewsbury-Hereford line closure extended by another day to end of service on Tuesday 29 April.

Incident: Craven Arms | National Rail

Major disruption: buses replace trains between Shrewsbury and Llandrindod / Hereford until the end of the day on Tuesday 29 April. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

 

[D6130]

Which line is it that is open (or open-ish) then? Seems like a pretty big failure to happen out of the blue.

Local sources are suggesting that it's a collapsed culvert. (Sorry....can't give a quote for fear of getting a friend into trouble!)

 

[Harpo]

Local sources are suggesting that it's a collapsed culvert. (Sorry....can't give a quote for fear of getting a friend into trouble!)

Don’t worry. The BBC have called it one already.

NR’s civils are having a bad spell that adds to the strong whiff of arrogance in their route MD’s Modern Railways article in March.

Shropshire rail line closed due to collapsed culvert

Safety inspections are being carried out between Church Stretton and Craven Arms.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[37052 xb mr]

It’s been known as that since Friday on Facebook.

 

[D6130]

It’s been known as that since Friday on Facebook.

Aha....well we don't all do Facebook, surprising though it may seem!

 

[Scotraveller]

Aw here we go every time I book a rare outing there is an infrastructure failure!
Travelling on Wednesday so getting risky.
Are mk4 sets still doing Manchester to Shrewsbury?

 

[Anonymous10]

Aw here we go every time I book a rare outing there is an infrastructure failure!
Travelling on Wednesday so getting risky.
Are mk4 sets still doing Manchester to Shrewsbury?

As of last Thursday yes.

 

[craigybagel]

Aw here we go every time I book a rare outing there is an infrastructure failure!
Travelling on Wednesday so getting risky.
Are mk4 sets still doing Manchester to Shrewsbury?

No. Without completely rewriting the traincrew diagrams from scratch it's too hard, Shrewsbury drivers would end up on MK4 services. Manchester - Shrewsbury requires 3 sets for an hourly service, meaning MK4s would end up on services they're not normally booked on

 

[craigybagel]

As of last Thursday yes.

That was only on the day it happened whilst they tried to keep some kind of service. Today the 3 diagrams are covered by a 3 car, 4 car and 5 car 197 set