TFW Mark 4/197 diagrams from Shrewsbury

[southernyoshi]

Hi, I assume this is the right place to put this - does anyone know which trains out of Shrewsbury towards Manchester or Chester at or around 10:20am on weekdays next week (25 April specifically) are Mark 4 or 197-run? And the same for trains arriving from these places before 17:30? Sorry for the detail of the question but I don't know if there's an easy place to find these details, and I want a ride on a new train! (It's not every day they come to these parts lol)

 

[jfollows]

Ex LNER (and Grand Central) Mark 4 sets for TfW has the details you're looking for (for Mark 4 sets anyway).
For example (posted last Thursday #2,353 ):

Until May weekday diagrams are:
Mon-Fri 3 diagrams
06:27 Manchester to Cardiff
11:25 Cardiff to Holyhead
16:36 Holyhead to Cardiff

06:48 Cardiff-Holyhead
11:33 Holyhead to Cardiff
17:14 Cardiff to Holyhead

05:33 Holyhead to Cardiff
10:52 Cardiff to Manchester
14:30 Manchester to Cardiff
18:55 Cardiff to Manchester

Saturday 2 diagrams:
04:35 Cardiff-Manchester
08:30 Manchester-Cardiff
12:52 Cardiff-Manchester
16:30 Manchester-Swansea

04:54 Crewe-Cardiff
08:49 Cardiff-Manchester
12:30 Manchester-Cardiff
16:49 Cardiff-Manchester

I"ve highlighted two trains which match your criteria I think. Best to check on the day to be sure.

• https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L07400/2023-04-25/detailed
• https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L07465/2023-04-25/detailed

EDIT Incorrect, I didn't read my quote properly, these are Saturday diagrams and not weekday diagrams.

 

[southernyoshi]

Oh thank you I was pasting my post into that thread you suggested while you were posting that here!

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

You won't find any 197s on these services for a while yet.
They are on routes from Chester to Liverpool (via Runcorn), Llandudno, Holyhead, Manchester Airport and Crewe (and one to/from Wrexham).
You'll find very similar WMT 196s between Shrewsbury and Birmingham.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Ex LNER (and Grand Central) Mark 4 sets for TfW has the details you're looking for (for Mark 4 sets anyway).
For example (posted last Thursday #2,353 ):

I"ve highlighted two trains which match your criteria I think. Best to check on the day to be sure.

• https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L07400/2023-04-25/detailed
• https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L07465/2023-04-25/detailed

Oh thank you I was pasting my post into that thread you suggested while you were posting that here!

The highlighted services are Saturday services. Those services won't be Mk4 until May TT on a weekday.

 

[jfollows]

The highlighted services are Saturday services. Those services won't be Mk4 until May TT on a weekday.

Thank for correcting me, I didn't read it properly, did I?

 

[southernyoshi]

I'm confused, that RTT link has the 10:53 to Manchester as a 110 mph diesel locomotive on 25 April...is that not a mark 4?

 

[jfollows]

I'm confused, that RTT link has the 10:53 to Manchester as a 110 mph diesel locomotive on 25 April...is that not a mark 4?

Not to be trusted, the link might be accurate nearer the time but the other thread will be the place to look for more accurate information.
The timetable source for RTT is usually from a longer-term timetable until nearer the time, when it may be over-written by short-term changes. But there's been so much chopping and changing to the Mark 4 sets and their diagrams (see the other thread) that it's not stable or predictable.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Not to be trusted, the link might be accurate nearer the time but the other thread will be the place to look for more accurate information.
The timetable source for RTT is usually from a longer-term timetable until nearer the time, when it may be over-written by short-term changes. But there's been so much chopping and changing to the Mark 4 sets and their diagrams (see the other thread) that it's not stable or predictable.

That won't be a Mk4 until May TT change. They were planned to go over at December hence why it is pathed as one. Will be a unit for now. Only diagrams are the ones posted above currently.

 

[southernyoshi]

Aha, thank you - crafty timetable misleading us like that! So those three are the weekday diagrams for Mark 4 then...ok
Are the new Merseyrail trains on the Chester line yet? If there's no new TFW trains usable yet I might go to Liverpool instead to see it all dressed up for Eurovision

 

[jfollows]

Aha, thank you - crafty timetable misleading us like that! So those three are the weekday diagrams for Mark 4 then...ok
Are the new Merseyrail trains on the Chester line yet? If there's no new TFW trains usable yet I might go to Liverpool instead to see it all dressed up for Eurovision

777s on Kirkby line only according to other threads here.
EDIT Plus a few Ormskirk now too.

 

[southernyoshi]

Thank you all

 

[southernyoshi]

Well I went to Manchester, no Mark 4s around - but I was a bit surprised that both trains I used were 153s and in half an hour at Shrewsbury, all the way there and back, and 20 more minutes at Shrewsbury returning, I only saw one 175 right at the end! I thought they'd brought most of those back - have they settled on this timetable arrangement for now & are gonna go straight to 197s when they come in (May?)

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Well I went to Manchester, no Mark 4s around - but I was a bit surprised that both trains I used were 153s and in half an hour at Shrewsbury, all the way there and back, and 20 more minutes at Shrewsbury returning, I only saw one 175 right at the end! I thought they'd brought most of those back - have they settled on this timetable arrangement for now & are gonna go straight to 197s when they come in (May?)

No Manchester services are booked 197 from May. They do hope however to start rolling them out on the services during the summer I believe.