Toilets on trains

[Bob Price]

The new 398's on TfW will not have toilets. Thai had me thinking, where else are there trains, metro systems and tram systems in the UK which don't have toilets?

I have come up with these, have I missed any?
Merseyrail 777’s
South Eastern commuter services.
London Overground
London Underground
Elizabeth line

Metros and tram systems
DLR
Croydon
West Midlands
Manchester
Sheffield
Blackpool
Glasgow
Edinburgh
Tyne and Wear

 

[DanNCL]

455s and 484s don’t have toilets. 313s, 314s, 315s and 456s didn’t have them either.

 

[hexagon789]

455s and 484s don’t have toilets. 313s, 314s, 315s and 456s didn’t have them either.

456s had them as built, but they were later removed from some units on refurbishment and locked out in others I believe. (I don't think they were CET-fitted? Which may be why.)

 

[norbitonflyer]

They were removed on all 456s as part of the SWT refurbishment.
No tram or metro system in the UK has them.
All dmus now have them except class 139 and, I think, 153/9
EMUs that don't have them
345, 376, 378, 398, 399, 455,
507, 555, 707, 710, 717, 777.

 

[Javelin_55]

They were removed on all 456s as part of the SWT refurbishment.
No tram or metro system in the UK has them.
All dmus now have them except class 139 and, I think, 153/9
EMUs that don't have them
345, 376, 378, 398, 399,
455, 555, 707, 710, 777.

717s don't have them either.

 

[southern442]

They were removed on all 456s as part of the SWT refurbishment.

They were removed quite a few years before that, when Southern first refurbed them into green I believe

 

[Juniper Driver]

456s had them as built, but they were later removed from some units on refurbishment and locked out in others I believe. (I don't think they were CET-fitted? Which may be why.)

Were they vandalised and used as drug dens on DOO trains?

They were removed quite a few years before that, when Southern first refurbed them into green I believe

True.

 

[BrianW]

The new 398's on TfW will not have toilets. Thai had me thinking, where else are there trains, metro systems and tram systems in the UK which don't have toilets?

I have come up with these, have I missed any?
Merseyrail 777’s
South Eastern commuter services.
London Overground
London Underground
Elizabeth line

Metros and tram systems
DLR
Croydon
West Midlands
Manchester
Sheffield
Blackpool
Glasgow
Edinburgh
Tyne and Wear

Just wonderin' ... how big an issue is this? I appreciate the potential 'inconvenience', but toilets need maintenance, take up space etc. Is there a 'rule' as to maybe max length of journey; availability of toilets at (major?) stations ...? Trains with Catering or without First Class or bike provision are advertised as such in timetables; absence/ availability of toilets?

 

[norbitonflyer]

717s don't have them either.

Mea culpa. List Edited

 

[Islineclear3_1]

South Eastern commuter services.

SouthEastern metro 465's and 466's have toilets but their 376's do not.

I can't remember if 707's have them or not; I've travelled on them so infrequently

 

[pokemonsuper9]

I can't remember if 707's have them or not; I've travelled on them so infrequently

As per #4 and SWR's Page, they don't

 

[hexagon789]

I can't remember if 707's have them or not; I've travelled on them so infrequently

As per #4 and SWR's Page, they don't

Though passive provision was made for later installation, hence the centre-most vehicle being coded TOS(L)W rather than just TOSW.

 

[norbitonflyer]

They were removed quite a few years before that, when Southern first refurbed them into green I believe

Locked out of use in Southern days - I don't know if anything was left inside the cubicles. The space was freed up by SWR for extra seating. Recognisable by the lack of a window.

 

[may032]

Never used them but there’s the Nottingham trams too

 

[norbitonflyer]

Never used them but there’s the Nottingham trams too

No tram service that I know of has toilets.

 

[may032]

No tram service that I know of has toilets.

Indeed

 

[py_megapixel]

No tram service that I know of has toilets.

I think some Karlsruhe Tram-Train vehicles might have them

 

[Peter0124]

Class 320/3s didn't have toilets when built in 1990. In 2011 they were retrofitted with them though.

 

[Bob Price]

I think some Karlsruhe Tram-Train vehicles might have them

One of their routes is 130km in length. Long journey without a loo. However it's not usual.

 

[TheSmiths82]

I suppose the big difference with metro systems is you can just hop off if you need the toilet. For example East Didsbury to Rochdale probably takes around 90 minutes, but there is plenty of places to get off if you need the toilet and the next tram is probably only a few minutes away.

 

[robert thomas]

I think some Karlsruhe Tram-Train vehicles might have them

They do

They do

 

[py_megapixel]

I suppose the big difference with metro systems is you can just hop off if you need the toilet. For example East Didsbury to Rochdale probably takes around 90 minutes, but there is plenty of places to get off if you need the toilet and the next tram is probably only a few minutes away.

Also, almost nobody is going to sit on it all the way from East Didsbury to Rochdale - the line exists predominantly to serve a variety of overlapping, more local journeys.