What about request stops where the train normally whizzes through? Would you have to ask the guard to make the train stop and then not get off?
No. Show all relevant tickets to the Guard and explain what you're doing.
(I'm sure this matter was covered by Barry Doe in his Fare Dealer article recently)
If Virgin really are in the habit of denying passengers entry regardless of their entitlement then that is a serious issue.
They refused
table38 carriage, and likewise the owner of the
Virgin Strains site. There are many more examples. But who is going to make them behave? There's no-one who can actually fight our corner effectively.
Splitting the fares issue from boarding rights, if a train is advertised pick up/set down only, why should a prospective passenger be allowed aboard if their ticket relies on boarding/alighting where the train isn't open to boarding/alighting?
If you see a train shown to call at the station where you change from one ticket to the next, you would not be alighting there, and would not reasonably be expected to realise it may be 'set down only'. The rules clearly allow tickets to be combined at set down only stops - look carefully at how the rules are worded and look at what is advertised to customers and this is obvious.
However for 'pick up only', that is a grey area. However
34D did report that...
Barry Doe has previously commented on this situation, and concurs with hairy above - that because one is not alighting at a pick-up only stop, one is fine to split tickets at a station where the train calls.
...and I'm confident Barry Doe will not have written that if he hadn't already sought advice from ATOC that this was the case.
Does anyone have a copy of ATOC guidance on this matter, and/or a copy of any edition of
RAIL where Barry Doe commented on this matter?
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I agree that there's no requirement to alight and reboard at the split point, the question being posed is that since it wouldn't be possible to legally use the one of the tickets on that train, does that make the combination invalid?
For a ticket to be valid under 19(b) the train simply needs to "call". A set-down only stop is clearly advertised to customers as a "call". So, for set-down only calls it's very straightforwardly valid.
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If its any good, on the TPE 47s for the Tour de France last summer, one of my split tickets was at Leeds and the train I was on from Liverpool diverted via Wakefield, meaning we ran non stop from Huddersfield to York. When the RPI passed through he train he had no problem with the split as the train was advertised to call there until shortly after departure!
We have a
post in our Fares Guide that deals with this scenario. Where trains deviate from their advertised route, tickets that would normally be valid remain valid.
(Additionally tickets that are valid by the actual route taken, which would not have been valid by the booked route, become valid)
