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sjpowermac

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Once again a huge thanks. Looks like a weekend in N.Yorkshire.
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Yes, the York-Scarborough line is usually pretty good for Class 68/Mk5A sets on a weekend. No problem at all with the list, I hope you have a great trip:)
 
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Realtime Trains | 5Q32 1144 Gascoigne Wood Sidings to Longsight Car. M.D. | 28/09/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q32 1144 departure from Gascoigne Wood Sidings to Longsight Car. M.D. on 28/09/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Thanks. TP07 was paired with 68025 in the past so I assume it is still the same pairing and so I assume this means TP07 is back at Longsight ?.
 
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Thanks. TP07 was paired with 68025 in the past so I assume it is still the same pairing and so I assume this means TP07 is back at Longsight ?.
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That’s the correct answer:)

TPE Class 68s anticipated end of day position for 28.09.2023

68019/TP04 Longsight
68020/TP02 Longsight
68021 Carlisle Kingmoor
68022 Crewe Basford Hall
68023/TP09 Scarborough
68024/TP06 Longsight
68025/TP07 Longsight
68026/TP03 Scarborough
68027 Crewe Gresty Bridge
68028/TP12 Longsight
68029/TP01 Longsight*
68030/TP10 Scarborough
68031/TP05 Longsight*
68032/TP13 Scarborough TMD

Crewe South Yard
TP08
TP11

*Awaiting transfer to Wolverton works for C-slot/yaw damper attachment point repairs/modifications.

Sunday 1st October 2023
*Correct as of 0745*

L=Loco leads
T=Loco trails

68030/TP10
5U35 0727 Longsight-Manchester Victoria (0814)
1U35 0826 Manchester Victoria -Scarborough (1053) T
via Calder Valley
1U48 1148 Scarborough-York (1238)L
1U47 1303 York-Scarborough (1353)T
1U60 1448 Scarborough-York (1538)L
1U59 1603 York-Scarborough (1653)T
1U72 1742 Scarborough-Leeds (1916)L
via Castleford
1U75 1934 Leeds-Scarborough (2055)L
1U88 2148 Scarborough-York (2238) T
1U87 2305 York-Scarborough (2353)L

68023/TP09
5U36 0830 SF-Scarborough (0835)L
5U34 0835 Scarborough-York (0920)L
1U31 0934 York-Scarborough (1023)T
1U44 1044 Scarborough-York (1134)L
1U43 1203 York-Scarborough (1253)T
1U56 1348 Scarborough-York (1438)L
1U55 1503 York-Scarborough (1553)T
1U68 1643 Scarborough-York (1733)L
1U67 1803 York-Scarborough (1853)T
1U80 1943 Scarborough-York (2033)L
1P42 2149 York-Manchester Vic (2315)L
via Calder Valley
5H92 2327 Manchester Vic-LO (0017)L

68028/TP12
1U40 0948 Scarborough-York (1039)L
1U39 1105 York-Scarborough (1154)T
1U52 1243 Scarborough-York (1333)L
1U51 1403 York-Scarborough (1453)T
1U64 1548 Scarborough-York (1638)L
1U63 1703 York-Scarborough (1753)T
1U76 1836 Scarborough-Leeds L(2004)
1U79 2027 Leeds-Scarborough (2155)
via Castleford L
5U79 2210 Scarborough-SF (2215)T

185 121/128
1U36 0848 Scarborough-York (0938)
5U71 1010 York-York Exam Road (1026)
5U71 1814 York Exam Road-York (1838)
1U71 1903 York-Scarborough (1953)
1U84 2048 Scarborough-York (2138)
1U83 2203 York-Scarborough (2253)
 
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I'm hoping to 'bash' my first TPE 68 tomorrow (Tuesday 3/10/23); could someone in the know give me a heads-up on which services are likely to be 68-hauled?

Thanks in advance!
 
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InkyScrolls said:
I'm hoping to 'bash' my first TPE 68 tomorrow (Tuesday 3/10/23); could someone in the know give me a heads-up on which services are likely to be 68-hauled?

Thanks in advance!
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Always a bit of a moveable feast I’m afraid and there’s currently a rest day working ban in place. The TPE services today have been heavily disrupted.

Here’s what’s running Monday 02.10.2023

TPE 68s at 0800

68030/TP10 loco West end
1U28 0648 SCA-MAN
1U39 0935 MAN-SCA
1U56 1348 SCA-YRK
1U59 1603 YRK-SCA
1U80 1948 SCA-MAN
5H80 2222 MAN-LO

68028/TP12
5U72 1730 SF-SCA
1U72 1748 SCA-LDS
1U75 1934 LDS-SCA
1U88 2148 SCA-YRK
1U87 2303 YRK-SCA

SCA Scarborough
YRK York
LDS Leeds
MAN Manchester Piccadilly
 
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InkyScrolls said:
I'm hoping to 'bash' my first TPE 68 tomorrow (Tuesday 3/10/23); could someone in the know give me a heads-up on which services are likely to be 68-hauled?

Thanks in advance!
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Not the best week to choose to lose your TPE 68 cherry - probably better to wait until the week after when more trains should be running.
 
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sjpowermac said:
Always a bit of a moveable feast I’m afraid and there’s currently a rest day working ban in place. The TPE services today have been heavily disrupted.

Here’s what’s running Monday 02.10.2023

TPE 68s at 0800

68030/TP10 loco West end
1U28 0648 SCA-MAN
1U39 0935 MAN-SCA
1U56 1348 SCA-YRK
1U59 1603 YRK-SCA
1U80 1948 SCA-MAN
5H80 2222 MAN-LO

68028/TP12
5U72 1730 SF-SCA
1U72 1748 SCA-LDS
1U75 1934 LDS-SCA
1U88 2148 SCA-YRK
1U87 2303 YRK-SCA

SCA Scarborough
YRK York
LDS Leeds
MAN Manchester Piccadilly
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Thanks for the nfo.

With the rest day working ban (today) where is a likely place for the unused sets - more at Scarborough ?.
 
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sjpowermac said:
Always a bit of a moveable feast I’m afraid and there’s currently a rest day working ban in place. The TPE services today have been heavily disrupted.

Here’s what’s running Monday 02.10.2023

TPE 68s at 0800

68030/TP10 loco West end
1U28 0648 SCA-MAN
1U39 0935 MAN-SCA
1U56 1348 SCA-YRK
1U59 1603 YRK-SCA
1U80 1948 SCA-MAN
5H80 2222 MAN-LO

68028/TP12
5U72 1730 SF-SCA
1U72 1748 SCA-LDS
1U75 1934 LDS-SCA
1U88 2148 SCA-YRK
1U87 2303 YRK-SCA

SCA Scarborough
YRK York
LDS Leeds
MAN Manchester Piccadilly
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I'd forgotten the RDW ban - thank you for the diagrams, I'll see what turns up tomorrow.
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Not the best week to choose to lose your TPE 68 cherry - probably better to wait until the week after when more trains should be running.
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Haha! Thank you, I'll bear that in mind.
 
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InkyScrolls said:
Well as predicted I was unsuccessful - only one diagram in operation, starting too late for me to catch it. Another time!
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Oh no! Wishing you better luck next time. Today was such a poor one for workings.
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Anyone know the usual repair/mods length of time for the yaw dampers at Wolverton?
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That’s a good question. The previous round of mods at Wolverton (where the most visible change was the Harting connector being switched for an LPA one) the sets were usually there for about a week to 10 days.
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Thanks for the nfo.

With the rest day working ban (today) where is a likely place for the unused sets - more at Scarborough ?.
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End of day 03.10.2023
68019/TP04 Longsight
68020 Crewe Gresty
68021 Carlisle Kingmoor
68022 Carlisle Kingmoor
68023/TP09 Longsight
68024/TP06 Longsight
68025/TP07 Longsight
68026 Crewe Gresty
68027 Crewe Gresty
68028/TP12 Longsight
68029/TP01 Wolverton Works
68030/TP10 Longsight
68031/TP05 Longsight
68032/TP13 Scarborough

Crewe South Yard
TP02/TP03/TP08/TP11
 
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sjpowermac said:
Oh no! Wishing you better luck next time. Today was such a poor one for workings.

That’s a good question. The previous round of mods at Wolverton (where the most visible change was the Harting connector being switched for an LPA one) the sets were usually there for about a week to 10 days.

End of day 03.10.2023
68019/TP04 Longsight
68020 Crewe Gresty
68021 Carlisle Kingmoor
68022 Carlisle Kingmoor
68023/TP09 Longsight
68024/TP06 Longsight
68025/TP07 Longsight
68026 Crewe Gresty
68027 Crewe Gresty
68028/TP12 Longsight
68029/TP01 Wolverton Works
68030/TP10 Longsight
68031/TP05 Longsight
68032/TP13 Scarborough

Crewe South Yard
TP02/TP03/TP08/TP11
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Thanks. All I need is the invisability shield for a visit to Longsight then !.
 
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sjpowermac said:
That’s a good question. The previous round of mods at Wolverton (where the most visible change was the Harting connector being switched for an LPA one) the sets were usually there for about a week to 10 days.

End of day 03.10.2023
68019/TP04 Longsight
68020 Crewe Gresty
68021 Carlisle Kingmoor
68022 Carlisle Kingmoor
68023/TP09 Longsight
68024/TP06 Longsight
68025/TP07 Longsight
68026 Crewe Gresty
68027 Crewe Gresty
68028/TP12 Longsight
68029/TP01 Wolverton Works
68030/TP10 Longsight
68031/TP05 Longsight
68032/TP13 Scarborough

Crewe South Yard
TP02/TP03/TP08/TP11
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Thanks for the info. At least I’m aware of a possible timeframe. Trying to snag 68031 and its set, in service, before the end in December.
 
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87electric said:
Thanks for the info. At least I’m aware of a possible timeframe. Trying to snag 68031 and it’s set, in service, before the end in December.
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In addition, there’s always a chance that 68031 might switch sets and be back in service sooner;)

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Thanks. All I need is the invisability shield for a visit to Longsight then !.
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Most welcome and best wishes for seeing the sets you need:)
 
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I wonder if part of re-distributing the borrowings from HS2 might have an impact on the TPE Mk5s ?.
 
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Is it true that TP07 has slipped back to Gascoigne wood - why so soon ?.
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There’s a maximum of seven berths at Longsight for Class 68/Mk5A sets. Seven sets were present this morning and a space was required for 68032/TP13 which is working in on:

5K42 2043 Scarborough-Manchester Vic
5H84 2300 Manchester Vic-Scarborough

There have been many cancellations on TPE this week.
 
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sjpowermac said:
There’s a maximum of seven berths at Longsight for Class 68/Mk5A sets. Seven sets were present this morning and a space was required for 68032/TP13 which is working in on:

5K42 2043 Scarborough-Manchester Vic
5H84 2300 Manchester Vic-Scarborough

There have been many cancellations on TPE this week.
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Oh. I forgot its the RDW ban this week iirc ?. Hopefully back to "normal" next week ?. Seems TPE can very quickly send a set off to Gascoigne wood (across the Pennines) - is that the location of choice in a hurry or is it that Crewe is full also ?.
 
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Oh. I forgot it’s the RDW ban this week iirc ?. Hopefully back to "normal" next week ?. Seems TPE can very quickly send a set off to Gascoigne wood (across the Pennines) - is that the location of choice in a hurry or is it that Crewe is full also ?.
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You are correct with all of those points. Four is usually the maximum number of sets on Crewe South Yard and currently there are TP02/03/08/11.
 
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Interesting to see the following paragraph in TPE's October Stakeholder briefing

The withdrawal of the Nova 3 trains (Class 68 locomotives and Mk5 carriages) in December, which currently operates on our Manchester Piccadilly – Scarborough route, will simplify our operation and significantly reduce our training backlog. We are in active discussions with the Department for Transport, Rail North Partnership and Transport for the North as to the future deployment of these trains.
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Question: I have to be in Manchester tomorrow (13th) for work and then travel to Leeds. Is the 1530 Manchester > Scarboro a hauled set?
 
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DarloRich said:
thank you - I will just chance it as it is the best timed train for me.
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Looking at what finishes in the platforms at Scarborough tonight, it looks like the two starters should be hauled sets, so maybe better luck tomorrow.
 
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